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May 21st, 2013
Martial arts and confidence
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#41
Intel

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Sharky wrote:
I was out solo and walked past two drunk guys who tried to eclipse me with high energy and general loud drunk harassment. My first instinct was to keep walking, which I did for about two seconds but once I heard one guy's tone get very assertive and confrontational I turned and stepped right up to them. I engage them calm and relaxed, not trying to out shout or assert more energy then them, and instantly they wavered in confidence and just started acting like dancing monkeys trying to entertain and gain rapport. They were now reacting to me, and I barely said three words. It was what I projected at them. I literally felt them retreat into their heads. All I did was keep calm, not back down, and not react to the frame they were trying to impose. Obviously the guys were being bold because their frame broke instantly. After that I just walked away ignoring them. One, I have about a year and a half of training in muay thai and two everything I've learned through going out, self development and RSD developed true confidence that prevented it from devolving into the typical drunken street tough guy stand off. As a side note, after closing time these same two guys were involved in shoving and threats with other randoms that prompted police to pull up with sirens.
That's awesome man, I've had a lot of stupid little interactions like that. Someone once said that being dominant means staying in the mood that you were already in.... refusing to shift your state based on external stimuli. You're probably very centered. I used to do amateur boxing, so I believe that martial arts makes the majority of guys involved in it uninterested in proving themself through random street brawls.  I have found that one of the best ways to punk a guy is to act like you're bored and tired.  In addition, I like to laugh a lot, I am an easy laugher... so any time dudes try to say something to me to make fun of me (which doesn't happen a lot) I usually laugh back at whatever they said because to me its probably funny. Having the ability to laugh at oneself goes a long way.  After a night out I once got dropped off at my car to see 3 dudes just as they were about to try picking the locks on my car.  I honestly wasn't mad or anything, I was calm as fuck, still in "pick up mode" (ie happy fun social) and told my friend, "no dude don't get out of your truck, (that would look like we wanna fight), I said don't get out of your truck unless they start shit with me. What I'm going to do is get in my car and drive away in it just like I planned to before I seen these fools (dominance)."  

And guess what? It was like they wanted rapport with me. I didn't judge them, I didn't get all freaked out and reactive. I believe the alpha thing to do is often to be MORE relaxed and MORE calm in stressful situations. 
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 Maybe its because I'm all "in the now" thanks to Eckhart Tolle etc. .. But when dudes are punks, I usually look at them and either laugh or smile, I know they're just trying to feel SIGNIFICANT. 
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Chode_no_longer wrote:
God, I wanted to get into a Muay Thai gym since forever but my suckass town doesnt have one and commuting to fight is just too tiring, but thankfully Im moving by july.

Don´t know how can people need RSDN tell you that martial arts is good, it just HAS TO BE GOOD. What can make you more confident than knowing no one can fuck with you no matter how badass they think they are?

I mean, if you have zero fear of physical threat then that´s when you can fully express yourself and assert your lines wherever you go.

Can´t wait for July to come.
 I guess dude, I've been trained to fight/kill etc. so I maybe I can't comment on this in an unbiased manner but I think that WHEN you're out you don't wanna be in that headspace  where physical violence is even an option. When I'm confident around mixed sets, hotties, and other random dudes, the confidence doesn't come from my ability to destroy a dude, it comes from social momentum etc. 
But then again, maybe a lot of dudes should train in a martial art just to develop manly, aggressive, competitive confidence. 
Like they say, no matter how bad you are, someone is bigger and stronger and tougher than you. Its like an endless vaccuum. Unless you're gonna be a karate grandmaster or something. 
So, definitely do the martial arts thing, but I don't think you're gonna find confidence with chicks from it. Dudes can be tough as hell in the ring but still be afraid of beautiful women. Its the damnedest thing. 

Best of luck!
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I never really respected guys that didn't know how to fight, but I guess most guys know how to manuever around situations where it would get physical. You can talk all the shit you want, but if I punch you in the face, there's very little you can do with your game. I definitely recommend you learn how to fight, and study multiple disciplines. 
Realistically, if you're in a "safe" area with cops and security, you might be alright, but the world is much larger than just those places. In most places in the world, arbitrary rules and laws apply. Knowing how to effectively disable other people is an insurance policy that makes you more valuable as a man. Within my circle of friends, almost everyone knows how deal punishment and protect themselves, women respect that and can feel safe around you. Obviously this isn't a path for everyone but every man needs to feel safe and secure in his environment and there's different means to acheiving that.
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I never really respected guys that didn't know how to fight, but I guess most guys know how to manuever around situations where it would get physical. You can talk all the shit you want, but if I punch you in the face, there's very little you can do with your game. I definitely recommend you learn how to fight, and study multiple disciplines. 
Realistically, if you're in a "safe" area with cops and security, you might be alright, but the world is much larger than just those places. In most places in the world, arbitrary rules and laws apply. Knowing how to effectively disable other people is an insurance policy that makes you more valuable as a man. Within my circle of friends, almost everyone knows how deal punishment and protect themselves, women respect that and can feel safe around you. Obviously this isn't a path for everyone but every man needs to feel safe and secure in his environment and there's different means to acheiving that.
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#46
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Gayhipstersex wrote:
 Problem is MMA is very popular so everyone and their dog trains SOMETHING.
What problem? I think it's great. I love seeing WSHH videos where some idiot starts something with the wrong individual.

By the way, just like with anything, there's a big percentage of people who dont follow through and stop showing up at classes at some point.
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Of course. Just saying that it is probably a bad idea to expect that one would instantly be able to whoop azz just because they trained.
Voeoe wrote:

Gayhipstersex wrote:
 Problem is MMA is very popular so everyone and their dog trains SOMETHING.
What problem? I think it's great. I love seeing WSHH videos where some idiot starts something with the wrong individual.

By the way, just like with anything, there's a big percentage of people who dont follow through and stop showing up at classes at some point.
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Trojan- wrote:
I never really respected guys that didn't know how to fight, but I guess most guys know how to manuever around situations where it would get physical. You can talk all the shit you want, but if I punch you in the face, there's very little you can do with your game. I definitely recommend you learn how to fight, and study multiple disciplines. 
Realistically, if you're in a "safe" area with cops and security, you might be alright, but the world is much larger than just those places. In most places in the world, arbitrary rules and laws apply. Knowing how to effectively disable other people is an insurance policy that makes you more valuable as a man. Within my circle of friends, almost everyone knows how deal punishment and protect themselves, women respect that and can feel safe around you. Obviously this isn't a path for everyone but every man needs to feel safe and secure in his environment and there's different means to acheiving that.
Guys who dont train martial arts can still be good fighters
they just need to do what Bruce Lee said and be water
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not sure if serious or trolling
The Mack wrote:

Trojan- wrote:
I never really respected guys that didn't know how to fight, but I guess most guys know how to manuever around situations where it would get physical. You can talk all the shit you want, but if I punch you in the face, there's very little you can do with your game. I definitely recommend you learn how to fight, and study multiple disciplines. 
Realistically, if you're in a "safe" area with cops and security, you might be alright, but the world is much larger than just those places. In most places in the world, arbitrary rules and laws apply. Knowing how to effectively disable other people is an insurance policy that makes you more valuable as a man. Within my circle of friends, almost everyone knows how deal punishment and protect themselves, women respect that and can feel safe around you. Obviously this isn't a path for everyone but every man needs to feel safe and secure in his environment and there's different means to acheiving that.
Guys who dont train martial arts can still be good fighters
they just need to do what Bruce Lee said and be water
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Gayhipstersex wrote:
not sure if serious or trolling
The Mack wrote:

Trojan- wrote:
I never really respected guys that didn't know how to fight, but I guess most guys know how to manuever around situations where it would get physical. You can talk all the shit you want, but if I punch you in the face, there's very little you can do with your game. I definitely recommend you learn how to fight, and study multiple disciplines. 
Realistically, if you're in a "safe" area with cops and security, you might be alright, but the world is much larger than just those places. In most places in the world, arbitrary rules and laws apply. Knowing how to effectively disable other people is an insurance policy that makes you more valuable as a man. Within my circle of friends, almost everyone knows how deal punishment and protect themselves, women respect that and can feel safe around you. Obviously this isn't a path for everyone but every man needs to feel safe and secure in his environment and there's different means to acheiving that.
Guys who dont train martial arts can still be good fighters
they just need to do what Bruce Lee said and be water

not trolling
even well trained martial artists will suck in a real fight if they are not like water
so if a guy didnt train, but was like water in a fight, hed do better than trained martial artists who didnt
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