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amzing writing, funny and expressive
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Thanks for writing this up mate. Learnt so much, gave me alot of value!
damn my insides hurt hearing your pain, we have work to do and it will get done. Good bootcamp 30 day challenge now ;)
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Not to be bias or anything even though you did a hell of a job assisting on my bootcamp but that was one of the best and well written review I've read on RSDnation.
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Love it Mike. As I said in my text, "Beast of a Review"... we need to get the crew together and hit the streets, haven't gone out with everyone in a WHILE. Sounds like you had a good LEARNING expereince. Let's catch up and soon.
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The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn, like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars
A man may fall down many times, but he won't be a f ailure until he says someone pushed him"
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The only people for me are the mad ones, the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk, mad to be saved, desirous of everything at the same time, the ones who never yawn or say a commonplace thing, but burn, burn, burn, like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding like spiders across the stars
A man may fall down many times, but he won't be a f ailure until he says someone pushed him"
Buddha
Great review. Lots of insights I usually don't see in other people's reviews. Julien is the truth.
Stay relaxed and focused after good results and you'll be unstoppable
As soon as it gets warmer - LES street game kid!!!
Stay relaxed and focused after good results and you'll be unstoppable
As soon as it gets warmer - LES street game kid!!!
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"To put it in gentleman's terms if you've been out for a night and you're looking for a young lady and you pull one, some weeks they're good looking and some weeks they're not the best. Our performance today would have been not the best looking bird but at least we got her in the taxi. She wasn't the best looking lady we ended up taking home but she was very pleasant and very nice, so thanks very much, let's have a coffee..........A win is like a bird and we take her home. At the end of the day, we want a better looking one than that if we can, if not, we'll take her home anyway".
-Ian Holloway (http://youtu.be/fB9rI7p7vmk)
“My dad's philosophy was (and I think still is) that life is a malevolent force, which seeks to destroy you, and you have to struggle with it. Only those who are hard enough will succeed. Most people get crushed, but if you fight, in the end life will go, "Fucking hell. This one's serious. Let him through.”
-Russell Brand
"GOIN HARD THE WHOLE NIGHT CUZ I AIN'T GOING BACK TO MY OLD LIFE......I PROMISE"
-Big Sean
-Ian Holloway (http://youtu.be/fB9rI7p7vmk)
“My dad's philosophy was (and I think still is) that life is a malevolent force, which seeks to destroy you, and you have to struggle with it. Only those who are hard enough will succeed. Most people get crushed, but if you fight, in the end life will go, "Fucking hell. This one's serious. Let him through.”
-Russell Brand
"GOIN HARD THE WHOLE NIGHT CUZ I AIN'T GOING BACK TO MY OLD LIFE......I PROMISE"
-Big Sean
Best review hands down...guys this is EXACTLY how julien pushes you to the limit, reading it just gave me flashbacks of my own bc with him. I'm deff going to always look back to this review as reference when i go out...btw great seeing you last night, we had a good fucking night foo shoo!
great review Playa
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So much value in this thread its rediculous......thanks for the review man, definitely gonna keep refering back to it. Bookmarked ! Oh yeah I live in westchester, if you're interested in hanging out sometime, PM me, I usually come to the city once a week.
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Ok, I'm biased -- I hang with the author, aka "Entertainer Mike" -- but this was one of the best BC reviews I've ever read. Insightful. Self-effacing. Funny. And filled with great, actionable takeaways that I definitely have to remind myself of. There's a fine line between entertaining yourself and entertaining the girl, as I know ALL too well. This reminded me of the difference. And when you compared yourself to "the little boy who takes it up the butt with a strap-on." Major LOL! Great work, my friend. Keep going out. Keep that momentum going. And keep showing that DONG! Sincerely... -The Ginga Ninja
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I break usually break up my Success Stories into Chapters for easy viewing:
Prologue
Day 1 a.k.a. Chicks with Dicks at Pianos
Day 2 a.k.a. Reference Experiences
Day 3 a.k.a. Pinging off the environment!
Epilogue
Prologue
I had the opportunity to be a volunteer prior to my bootcamp for the Free Tour, Hot Seat, and also previous bootcamp the week before mine. In those few days I saw/experienced:
- Waiting in my car while Julien got a blow job in the freezing cold at Central Park.
- Winging with Julien for a two set in Piano's. The dude barely said 2 words and hooked them with this Jedi presence.
- Trying to find a Guido Party on a Wednesday night in February to get the "Jersey Shore Experience" to no success. Guidettes come out of hibernation during the summer ;)
- Bratra88 getting his car towed (i swear this kid has the worst luck).
- Kicking Bratra88 in the knee by accident (see above on his luck).
- Setting off my apartment smoke detector during a day of Chef Julien.
- Being subjected to emo music, tracks from High School Musical and Kelly Clarkson in the car…..i think terrorists in Guantanamo Bay had it easier.
- Observing Julien's affinity for eating sauerkraut and garlic. Ewwwww….
- Possibly having my apartment being blowup along with us into a fiery inferno because "someone" left the stove gas on the Whole day…waiting outside on a cold February morning @ 6am to air the place out isn't my idea male bonding lol
- Watching Julien turn a bootcamp student from having AA on the first night of bootcamp to getting the SNL second night of program. Praise the Lord. I BELIEVE!!!
- Witnessing a student develop the fury in his eyes to get better at game and do a 30 day challenge when things didn't go his way on bootcamp (that's a good thing btw)
- Dancing with this 6''4" Danish girl (i'm 5'7") and getting her #
- Reading his text exchange from a Playboy model. Julien basically breaks her down, so that she needs him like a bad drug habit. Truly Machiavellian. Makes Shakespeare look like Dr. Seus.
- Watching Julien pull a hot Peruvian from Piano's… Another chick that was talking to me watching the pickup said "He's acting way too aggressive… you need to tell him to stop!!!". I think to myself "Bitch you have nooooo idea…" He brings her to debrief with Owen and had no idea what the fuck is going on. Gangstaaaaa…She then hits him up on text like crazy after he bounces from her crib and he replies with the most absurd nonsensical shit…. She was still on his dick because he banged her again during my bootcamp (after debrief of course).
- Watching Owen and Julien totally demean (in a fun way!) this short Scottish girl outside the line @ Piano's…calling her a "WHITE TRASH WHORE FACE". Instead of leaving… she absolutely loves it. They see her again at Piano's. Owen keeps throwing shit at her. She furiously leaves downstairs and then immediately comes ALLLL THE WAY BACK UPSTAIRS for more abuse from him. I almost cried (for joy).
- Watching Owen handle a possible situation with his Jedi mind tricks. He was hitting on this dude's fiance and she was liking it. He confronted Owen in his face outside Piano's and looked liked it was about to get physical. Owen didn't back down and used his authority to diffuse the situation.
- Watching Owen handle a doorwoman in getting into lounge while the rest of us couldn't. He taught us a valuable lesson in learning how to get into the door. imo i think he should definitely make a video blog about it if he didn't already.
- Watching TiVo of the Grammys with Ginga Ninja, Owen and Julien - We were watching Chris Brown performing. He was doing his MJ breakdance moves and flips while singing at the same time flawlessly. Owen made the analogy that the zenith of a person's game was essentially performing a number of things in set at the same time and executing them flawlessly. Maybe an idea for a future video blog…who knows….
Ok enough adventures let's go straight to my bootcamp. Some background:
I've taken bootcamps with Ozzie in Vegas where I pulled a milf off the plane before i got to Vegas:
I also took a birthday bootcamp with Nathan and Owen and banged an 18 year old and filmed it on my iPhone.
It's fun getting laid on program but the imho the high is fleeting and I seriously wanted to step up my game long term. Getting laid on bootcamp was the last thing on my mind this time. I learned to be an approach machine and getting physical from Ozzie with Fear Technology and learned about momentum and that I needed to play to win and not to "play not to lose" with Nathan & Owen. I decided to take a private program with Julien and another student because of excellent reviews from my friends. I must say Julien pays great attention detail. He payed very close attention to what I was doing and customized the bootcamp based on my specific needs. His expertise and enthusiasm for teaching has already taken my game to the next level.
Day 1 a.k.a. Chicks with Dicks at Pianos
So I started bootcamp with another student. He's a 45 year old Italian from Brooklyn. He took some Mystery Method bootcamps and some other RSD bootcamps. He reminds me of a hybrid between Junior Soprano & Bobby Baccalla from the Sopranos.
I called him Uncle Pauly (which he didn't like but the name stuck throughout bootcamp). I remember having conversation with him outside club Provacateur. We were listening to house music and he was reminiscing back in the day when they called that music Disco….a true G indeed!
Julien starts off the program with the rules and the goals for the tonight.
1) Momentum, Intent (Clarity in Thoughts, Words & Actions) & Freedom from Outcome.
2) Just approach.
So I'm thinking Day 1 is going to be a piece of cake for me because I'm an approach machine. And I've seen a few of the videos and read a few articles as well as taken bootcamps to understand Momentum, Intent, Freedom from Outcome. Just go from set from set to set…say "you know how to party" proceed with hand of god and not give a shit…. Easy to read on paper or see on video….easy to mimic…..not so easy to truly embrace & implement.
Julien does a demo at Biergarten where he approaches a hot seated set. He says a basic "Hi my name is Julien" and asks the girl to stand up and leads her by taking the girl by the hands and standing her up. He then proceeds to hug her and leaves the set. Later on the Julien's assistants pull those same girls back to their apartment after we leave Biergarten coincendentally.
We go to Gansevoort hotel...
I approach a two set:
Me: "Hey you know how to party"
Target: Not a great response:
Me: (acting like a bitch and scared to lose the set befriend the friend and say) "Hi…"
Then the boyfriend comes out of nowhere and grabs her and I befriend the boyfriend by shaking his hand.
Julien pulls me out set.
Julien: WHAT WAS THAT!?!?
ME: Uhhhh i don't know… I was befriending the group????
Julien: WHERE WAS THE INTENT!?!?! WHY THE FUCK WERE YOU ACKNOWLEDGING THE BOYFRIEND?!?!
ME: uhhhhh derrrrrrr…..
Julien: And more thing. NO MORE LINES AS OPENERS!!! Your only opener for the ENTIRE BOOTCAMP is… "Hi my name is Mike" THAT'S IT!!!
I was pretty devastated because we were coming straight from Hot Seat where we heard the arsenal of lines from Owen and Julien…. which i thought were pure gold. The fact that he took him away from us was like going through heroin withdrawal. I knew he had a lesson to teach so I grudgingly agreed.
On to Hotel Chantelle…
Not to many memorable sets in this place. I hooked one cutie. She was with her friends but was having a good time with me. I got her # and ejected. Julien gave me advice that I should've leaded her to the bar to isolate her from her friends to have her RAS focus on me.
On to Piano's….
When we get upstairs Julien asks me to approach a group of Asians. I've been to Piano's a few times and sometimes I regulars sometimes. These group of Asians were transvestites who I saw previously at Piano's (I played a trick on a friend from our crew to approach them previously…he got blown out lmao).
Julien: APPROACH ASIANS!!!
ME: NO!
Julien: (with the look of fury that I disobeyed the bootcamp rules) GO!
At this point I was really tempted for a split second to ask Julien to do a demo on them and go for the make out (for all the Emo/ Kelly Clark music torture, cleaning up the stinky rotten ground beef and sauerkraut juice in my fridge and almost blowing us up or killing us via gas poisoning in my apartment) mwahahahahaha….but I decided that was wrong :)
ME: Let's go man….TRANNIES!!!
Julien: NOOOO!?!?!?
ME: Yeah dude seriously….
Julien: EWWWWwwwwwwww…. (convulsions)
Later we see this good looking well dressed guy (no homo) making out with one of them. I felt like telling him and dropping www.rsdnation.com in his ear…..But I was like "NNNNAAAAAaaaaaaahhhhhhh" I wonder if he ever pulled :o
Another good episode occurred where Julien just demonstrated natural self amusement. He asked Uncle Pauly to go into a set. He then sent me to wing him and sort of AMOG him. I told girls through out the bootcamp that he's my uncle and that we pickup chicks within the "family" lol. Uncle Pauly hooked the girls (he's good at hooking….even better than me!). Julien drags Uncle Pauly out of set and tells the girl to yell at Uncle Pauly and say "FUCK OFF!!!"
Julien: TELL HIM FUCK OFF!
Girl: NOOOOoooooo I caaannnn''ttttt!!!
Julien: TELL HIM DAMNIT!
Girl: I caannnnn''ttttt
This girl was so confused and laughing….she didn't know what to do! Very good reference experience.
When we're about to leave Piano's Julien asks me to approach this hot Puerto Rican. I was picked up some momentum throughout the night and my approaches were getting better. So immediately got in her face and got physical. She was hooked. Julien told me to try to get her to the diner for debrief. We pulled her outside Piano's. She then immediately sees some dude she recognizes and I feel the moment for pulling the chick to the diner is fading, because her RAS is focusing on him. I get worried and text Julien for advice "Help?". He comes over and reassures me that I don't need the help. She suddenly starts walking to a different direction. I immediately start trying to get her RAS back on me by calling out her name: "PAULA …PAULAAAA!!!!" No go …. :( Julien advises me that I fucked up when I called her name out.
ME: BUT I SEE YOU DO THAT ALL THE TIME AT HOTSEAT!!! (kinda pissed)
Julien: Yes but when you were doing it … it was not coming from the right place! It came from a place of neediness where when I do it… I don't give a shit!
Another epiphany…. I learned a lot of things that night. All the lines and all the tactics that you see at Hot Seat mean nothing if it's not coming from the right place. I didn't exhibit freedom from outcome, I cared and now I know it :(
We went for debrief at the diner….Peruvian girl from last bootcamp makes a cameo appearance.
Major points I learned on Day 1:
1) I always hide that I'm hitting on them. No sexual intent.
2) Julien calls me out for me putting up a schtick to gain chicks' approval. He nicknames me "Entertainer Mike" throughout the the bootcamp when he catches me putting up the schtick. He tells me to watch the below video before Day 2 of bootcamp:
3) Stop trying/caring too much for the sets to go well!
4) I'm like a little boy who likes to take it up the butt with strap-ons.
5) Stop sticking into set like a little bitch if it isn't going anywhere. Example making friends with her friends to gain approval (it's only applicable in one scenario when you have to calibrate if her friends are feeling uncomfortable and will yank her away from you. Then it's ok to say quick hi's to the group and then immediately switch to the target) NO MORE ACKNOWLEDGING BOYFRIENDS OR GUY FRIENDS!!!! JUST MOVE ON AS YOU NEVER SAW THEM!!!
We talked about text game for a bit.
A lot of things were from his Foundations Reloaded seminar last hot seat.
1) Texts are always for the purpose for going for the meetup.
2) Screen for the meetup. If you can't because she's uncomfortable then calibrate with more comfort texts…And example of cadence is (comfort text, comfort text, comfort text, action (text for the meetup or call) )
3) BEST THING IS TOO DO IS SCREEN FOR THE DAY #2 WHEN YOU ARE GETTING DOWN HER NUMBER (time and location) to seed the idea in her head. So that when you contact her, the responsibility is off her since you took the lead.
4) Keep your texts brief. It assumes value.
5) Text whenever you want to text… Answer whenever you want to answer. It shouldn't come from a needy place but from a place of abundance. The fact that some text exchanges maybe long apart creates sexual tension. Mix it up. Most importantly it has to be coming from the right place. Being congruent with your intent (thoughts, words and actions)!
6) Looking at Julien text changes. He uses xo a lot. That's his style. Just an observation.
7) Standard text he sends when he gets the number. "Get home safe" - Julien
We resumed with the rest of the debrief:
1) Julien purposely ejects out of set to another girl for the pure sake of gaining momentum. It's a good practice to implement.
2) Julien analogizes skill at game with racquet ball. Guys that suck at racquetball run all over the court wasting energy to try to get to the ball. Guys that are good at racquetball know where the ball is going to land and uses the minimum amount of energy and movement to reach the ball.
3) Julien's bread and butter approach is just saying "Hi my name is Julien" with his hand tucked into his center of his solar plexus. He does not extend it! This assumes value and the girl has to come to his hand and thus into his reality. This is only one technique for easily sucking the girl into your reality. There are other ways.
4) Julien stressed Brad's CCM approach with breaking rapport tonality when opening "AAYYYyyyyyyy". Do it with a cocky smirk or smile. Enjoy the eye contact when this is going on. Take your time. He called me out with seeking rapport tonality "hhhhhhHHHIIIIIII" and my punishment was being called "Entertainer Mike" while pretending to shoot guns in the air like a cowboy (damnit).
5) If a girl was giving you all good reactions, what would you want to talk about? How would you act? YOU MUST TALK AND ACT LIKE THIS REGARDLESS IF THE GIRLS IS GIVING YOU GOOD OR BAD REACTIONS!!!
6) IMPOSE YOUR FRAME. Think of it like this. When girls going out… her feminine energy wants to experience masculine islands. Her night is jumping from one island to the next. YOUR GOAL IS TO HAVE HER LAND ON YOUR ISLAND! A chode wants to be on her island because he has nothing to offer. One of way of creating your island is utilizing #3 above.
7) Keep it simple…
8) BE FULLY SHAMELESS IN YOUR INTENT!!! ASSUME MORE SEXUALITY!!! YOU DO NOT NEED TO JUSTIFY TO HER. YOU JUSTIFY FOR YOU!!! This creates sexual tension / polarity (Nathan hammered this on bootcamp….i'm a slow learner what can i say *sighs*)
9) Julien is also versed me on some outer game basics. For example I was trying to get a girls attention who was texting on the phone by using Owen's line "Are you checking your stocks, omg are you millionaire!" (Ok i cheated a lil with a canned opener and besides its worked a few times in the past). She basically ignored me. Julien went up to me and told me that wouldn't have happened if you cut her space and you put your face up in her grill. Then she wouldn't have a choice but to focus her RAS on you.
So that was the end of Day 1. Uncle Pauly got his separate debrief for his own challenges. I was still feening for more lines and techniques. I asked Julien if we could exercise tactics for ploughing & practice using the arsenal of his lines that we learned from Hot Seat….
We did a group hug and Julien went off to bang the Peruvian.
Day 2 a.k.a. Reference Experiences
I wake up and watch the video of Owen that Julien recommended. The whole time i'm saying to myself "FML! FML! FML! FML!" It was kind of looking at the mirror and I didn't like it. Without going to much into detail (just writing this to inspire for constructive purposes and not to yap aimlessly about my life). People have their own defense mechanism. Mine is humor. If your not the biggest dude or most popular guy in high school. The only thing you have going for you is your brain. So I'm use to basically being quick witted and able to shut down anyone by making fun of them (That's my way of putting up a defensive wall) or gain approval by making them laugh. In the long run I KNOW it's going to have a negative effect on getting girls because you're unable to let girls know who you really are because you don't want to appear vulnerable. Owen called me out on this on the last bootcamp. And I thought I had it handled. But Julien called me out on it again which really sucked. It's going to be tough to shake off "Entertainer Mike" , but i realized that I must do this in order to get out of intermediate purgatory and improve myself in general. It's going to worse than heroin withdrawal.
So Julien starts the Day 2 saying. "Well I was thinking last night…and about the exercises that we were going to do today. Yeah we're NOT going to do them :) In the long run these techniques are not going to help unless we focus on working on the core principles. Momentum, Intent & Freedom from Outcome."
Uncle Pauly and I were like "ARRRRgggggghhhhhh!!!" But we knew it was for the greater good.
Day 2 revolved around Physical game and the theory behind it.
Why be physical? BECAUSE YOU WANT TO! You're expressing your intent with no outcome attached.
When to be physical? WHENEVER YOU WANT TO! (preferably under 30 seconds ;) ) It establishes her situation right off the bat without wasting time.
Always add a smile when your physical --> Woo + intent from Natural Tim. It also lets her know whatever you feel…she feels (Law of State Transfer).
So Uncle Pauly and I go over the physical stack (you can probably find this in another success story) in the street while everyone looks at us like a couple of homos lol. Julien adds his own technique to the stack. Basically hugging a girl no matter what answer she gives to your question. Q: Are you Russian? A: No I'm French… ME: Omg i love french people + hug.
I also see a physical move that Owen and Julien perform all the time infield but they never mention it during their Hot Seats or Bootcamp (to my knowledge)? Must be their secret weapon???
So my mindset going into Day 2 was "Mike your NOT going to make the same mistakes as last night! NO ENTERTAINER MIKE! Go in hard! Impose your frame! Get physical fast! SHOW INTENT!
So the first set was a disaster. Julien told me to approach this girl with that I wasn't attracted to and she was surrounded by a bunch of dudes. I basically showed no dong in the beginning and then escalated later because I felt I had to. She basically blew me out and I went back to Julien.
Julien: "What happened?"
Mike: Ehhhh didn't go anywhere. I didn't' know what to say. I wasn't feeling her.
Julien: IRRELEVANT!!! GET THE BACK IN THERE, APOLOGIZE TO HER AND GO HARD TILL YOU BURN IT TO THE GROUND!!!
I reluctantly went back with and resumed the set. Being more physical till her friends told me to fuck off. LESSON: THE SET IS NEVER OVER WHEN YOU THINK IT IS. IF SHE DOESN'T TELL YOU TOO FUCK OFF YOU CAN ALWAYS CALIBRATE!!
Julien sent me to a 3 set. And I approached and fucked it up.
Julien came up and gave me feedback: "Ok three fuck ups. 1) You didn't approach your target with intent. 2) You started leaning in! IF I SEE YOU EVER LEAN IN AGAIN I'M GOING TO PULL YOU OUT OF SET!!! YOU'RE FALLING IN THEIR FRAME!!! WHAT HAPPENED TO IMPOSING YOUR FRAME!?!? 3) You began talking to the other girls to seek validation.
Julien stood my back up straight and we practiced the the lean back centered handshake again. Julien also advised me on how to be centered/grounded/chill.
IN FACT I THOUGHT I WAS A DUDE THAT NEVER LEANED IN!!! ACTUALLY I ALWAYS SCOLD BRATRA88 FOR LEANING IN SETS AND I WAS DOING IT AS WELL!!! I WAS ALSO REPEATING MY SAME FUCK UPS THAT I DID YESTERDAY AND I PROMISED MYSELF THAT I WOULDN'T ARGGGGHHHHH!!!!!
Julien told me to go back and calibrate/apologize and resume the interaction with that one girl with with correct body language and INTENT.
I did and eventually got blown out, but Julien congratulated me on doing the correct thing this time. It was a good reference experience.
Julien told me told me approach another 2 set at the bar. I hesitated for literally a second.
JULIEN: "WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS!?!? YOU NEED TO APPROACH WITHIN A MICRO SECOND OF HER BEING IN YOUR RAS! IF YOU DON'T, THE SET IS LOST! She'll sense that you're a pussy because your outcome dependent. And you'll miss your golden window of opportunity to get her RAS onto you. IF YOU SEE A GIRL ACROSS THE ROOM SURROUNDED BY PEOPLE YOU MAKE A BEE LINE STRAIGHT (not around) TO HER AND PUSH OFF ANYONE THAT GETS IN YOUR WAY!!! BETTER TO ASK FOR FORGIVENESS THAN PERMISSION!! Doing this develops momentum --> freedom of outcome & intent.
Julien asked me to approach another set with her back turned. I tried to get her attention by putting my hand on her shoulder.
Julien immediately pulled me out of set and said: "WHAT THE FUCK WAS THAT!!! THAT MOVE IS WORSE A MILLION TIMES OVER THAN THE HAND OF DOOM!!! IN FACT IT'S THE WORST OPENER EVER!!! FROM NOW ON A GIRL WITH HER BACK TURNED GET'S AN AUTHORITATIVE TAP TAP ON THE SHOULDER--> BREAKING RAPPORT TONALITY "HI MY NAME IS MIKE with HANDSHAKE."
We decided go upstairs where Julien told me to approach a small chubby. I executed the plan to the tee!
1) Breaking Rapport "Hi my name is Mike" With centered handshake.
2) Immediately did a spinning handshake and moved right into rocking with rapport with her pooch up against my stomach lol
She definitely got the anime eyes just like from Hot Seat!
Immediately Julien pulled me out of set. This is sad to admit but I kind of wanted to stay with the chubby a lil while longer to avoid the wrath of Julien *whip crack*
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Julien pulled me aside and had this Eureka look on his face. "YES THAT WAS PERFECT! YOU WENT UP WITH FULL INTENT AND FREEDOM OF OUTCOME" (I'm thinking to myself its easier with a chubby). YOU'RE GOING TO BURN THIS REFERENCE EXPERIENCE IN YOUR CEREBRAL CORTEX AND FALL BACK ON IT FROM NOW ON BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT 10 GAME LOOKS LIKE! USE THIS AS MOMENTUM FOR THE HOTTER CHICKS!!!
Julien sends Uncle Pauly and me into a 2 set with a girl posted up against the bar. Julien whispers in my ear "ROTATE" I totally fuck up thinking that I'm supposed to switch girls with Uncle Pauly. Julien says "WHAT ARE YOU DOING?" I say "I'M ROTATING LIKE YOU TOLD ME TOO" I didn't realize he meant to actually rotate places with her by actually physically moving her and I take her space. So for any future Julien bootcamp students …. that's what ROTATE means! Slight miscommunication no biggie. Julien explains how to rotate. Basically just don't give a fuck and treat her like a stepchild and move her. It displays 2 principles:
1) Dominance / Value
2) Leading (if i'm missing something please comment!).
Julien sends me to another set. This one was a hot Austrian that was about to go to the bathroom. I open with the Breaking Rapport Handshake and proceed to go right into rocking with rapport. She tells me that she has to go to the bathroom. I shift her RAS from the bathroom back on to me by saying "WAIT WAIT 2 seconds" while I maintain hard eye contact with a smile. She's completely stunned and I spew whatever gibberish that comes to my mind and she was completely hooked. Julien signaled for the eyes closed makeout. I told her to clothes her eyes but she didn't want to do it, but was smiling hardcore. She needed to go to the bathroom and I let her go like pussy lol. Julien was enthusiastic and told me that I did it AGAIN!!! I was to burn that 10 game reference experience in my head. Most importantly I ingrained that positive reference experience to apply more momentum.
On to LES….
We went to Baby Fat because Pianos had a long wait time. I was high off my reference experiences. Baby Fat was a little dead. Julien sent Uncle Pauly into a set and I turn my back and he's dancing with her and getting real physical like a G. NIIIIiiiiiiccccccceeeeee!!! I saw a cute spanish chick come up the stairs and I immediately bee lined to her. Nothing special really just same stuff that I was doing all night with the Breaking Rapport Handshake. She was completely surprised because i went hard. She said to me "I'm really sad right now because I have a boyfriend. The way you came up to me was SO SEXY! Not many men do it. Please keep doing it!" I was so wowed from that statement that I forgot to get her number lol.
All in all it was my best night so far in bootcamp!
We went to the diner for debrief:
Main lessons were:
1) No such thing as overly escalating. If she's uncomfortable just calibrate. Example: "Sorry Sorry" "Just Kidding" Don't look reactive when you calibrate. Just stay grounded and try later. Wash… rinse ….repeat….
2) Don't apply physicality mechanically. It must flow while your talking. It adds to the interaction.
3) No such thing as an escalation ladder (#1 then # 2 all the way to make out). Just do what you feel like doing.
4) Women have an attention span of ant. They don't remember what happened a second ago. You can use this when a girl feels uncomfortable you switch to a more positive thread and she'll then totally forget the negative experience that just happened.
5) Keep leading…. Regardless if it's physical or verbal…. As long as you keep leading you don't lose momentum.
6) Approach reaction timing is critical! Taking action that split second keeps you present and not in your head.
7) Go physical all the way.
8) I need to personally keep my back straight and be centered/chill.
Julien talked about techniques to get past the doormen at a line to the club.
1) Have chill vibe. Make it seem like it's not a big deal. Very blasé mindset.
2) Befriend bouncers and promoters
3) Bring girls for promoters. Say if you get in with girls and don't see the promoter. Just text him something random insinuating that you brought girls so that he knows.
4) When you talk to the doorman and if he asks you if you're on the list. Just nonchalantly tell him "It's just us me" or "It's just three of us" with the air of entitlement sub communicating that you that can always bounce to a hotter club.
After debrief Julien told Uncle Pauly to approach a girl at the diner. This guy did the most chill nonchalant opener I've ever saw. Nothing special. But he was mad chill and grabbed her hand and instinctively just rubbed her hand back and forth with his thumb. She was was practically half his age, good looking and totally in a trance. Uncle Pauly is talking about whatever the fuck he wants in self amusement (something that I have trouble with) and being a chill motherfucker. I guess the best way I can explain it is that he was just acting like black dude who gets ass. That one approach surpassed all my good reference points. Uncle Pauly……respect.
Day 3 a.k.a. Pinging off the environment!
I woke up on the third day feeling really good from the learnings that I got from the critical reference experiences last night. My whole goal was to try to repeat the positive reference experiences by following the plan.
So Day 3 is dedicated to Verbal game. Julien stressed this the least important aspect of game and that's why it was placed for the 3rd day so that we could focus on the more important principles (Momentum+Intent+Freedom from Outcome + Physicality).
Julien gave us some general pointers and warned us not to latch on these examples as gospel:
1) Lower you bar of what to say to the girl. Caveman talk. Talk to her like a fat girl or little niece. She'll think she's being put on a pedestal if you don't.
2) Switch negative emotions immediately….Cut the thread immediately and direct it to positive emotions.
3) Women have an attention span of an ant. The conversation doesn't have to be linear as long as your leading.
4) Broken record theory… basically push/pull…. Example…saying "I love you" then saying "I hate you". to spike emotions while injecting casual convo like "Where are you from?"
5) Free association exercises from hot seat teaches how to flow from one concept to another without thinking.
6) Verbals are not a big deal as long as your self amused.
Julien made it a point that we are going to approach the majority of our sets by ourselves on the third day without his help. I thought it wouldn't be a problem for myself because I was an approach machine. He also told me that we were going to be in a bar that he knew I hated (Phoebes) to make it extra tough.
We do the three verbal exercises that we learnt in Hot Seat outside before we reached the club.
1) Describe our car ride with enthusiasm - teaches you that the content doesn't matter because women only really pay attention to the emotions you convey.
2) Linking threads using a word from the previous thread to start a new thread. Teaches you to keep talking and never run out of things to say.
3) Free association - teaches to flow from one concept to another without thinking.
4) Reciting the lessons we learned while another person verbally/physically distracts you - teaches you to ping of yourself without pinging off the environment.
So we get in and I'm immediately going into sets.
One set goes ok with this Asian girl who happened to be ranked #1 in Farmville (oh yeah real sexy rrrrowwwrrrr). I eventually follow her to the bar where I'm between her and her friend. Julien immediately yanks me out of the center and places me on the outside while Uncle Pauly wings me and distracts the other friend. I learned later that center position is not a good general position because she can make eye contact with her friend even though you're in between them. I eventually try to go for the number….she's gives me shit and says "Well you don't know me that well yet" I immediately next her and talk to the next girl beside me. She gets insanely jealous. AWESOME!!!
Sad enough that was my highlight in Phoebes, because afterwards I fail miserably from there on out. Not because I'm getting blown out, but because I'm not executing the plan. I'm doing everything wrong again. leaning in, not maintaining frame, being "Entertainer Mike", caring too much about the sets. Julien asked me what happened? And I really didn't have an answer for him. I told him that I really hated this spot. He said "IRRELEVANT". He told me that all my approaches that I was performing tonight was useless because it was aimless approaching for the sake of approaching. I being too scattered and floaty in my approaches and they weren't grounded. He told me that "I was enough". He stopped me from approaching and told me to relax, breathe, straighten my back, gain composure, ground myself and follow the game plan.
So I went in again and I didn't fare much better than last time. He pulled me aside and said I couldn't approach anymore and told me that I had to focus on him and Uncle Pauly and continuously talk to them about anything. No matter what I wasn't allowed to stop talking! I didn't know what to talk about and I felt emotionally drained. Julien said "Irrelevant just keep talking." So I performed a weak attempt at free association with Julien attempting mock me. I thought it was another pinging off yourself exercise. It went on crazy long and I couldn't do it in the bar with music and people around. It was a different situation inside the bar full of people than it was outside. I ran out of things to say. Julien told me to keep on talking. I totally just froze in anger and didn't say anything. Julien still pushed me to talk. And I the only thoughts in my head was "I HATE THIS PLACE" & "AND I WANT TO KICK YOUR ASS!" That's basically what I said to him repeatedly… he was non-reactive and still persisted in telling me to keep talking. We even moved to the bar while Uncle Pauly and Julien macked on chicks while I had to still keep talking to Julien without stopping. It looked pretty weird & awkward and I felt like the dude in detention. But Julien didn't care and still persisted. I knew there was a constructive reason why he was doing this so I kept on going. Finally Julien told me to stop talking out loud and introduced me to these girls he was talking too. My mind was pretty fried and I was like "Duhhhhh Hello there??" No intent… No dong….just burnt out….wanting to hide under a rock. = Easy blowout. Julien sent me into some more sets which blew out really quickly. He whispered in my ear "CONGRATULATIONS YOU'VE JUST BURNT OUT EVERY SET IN THIS BAR TO THE GROUND! WAY TO GO!" I was thinking to myself "Like WTF!?!? I thought that's what you're supposed to do???" I was just getting confused. But I knew there was a lesson he was trying to teach me. Maybe he wanted to experience a horrible night? He said that was one of his goals to have that bad reference experience as well. Finally he signaled for a venue change. And I'm like "HAALLLLELLLLUJJAHHHH FREE AT LAST!!!"
So during the cab ride there was non-stop ball busting on my performance. "Entertainer Mike" was mentioned every minute. I just rolled with it and didn't care at this point because I was so happy that I was released from Phoebes a.k.a. Afghanistan and was finally heading over to a place that I liked Brass Monkey.
So we get into Brass Monkey and I'm feeling pretty good to be in a better scene. Fuck it I don't care if I'm pinging from the environment. I'm feeling GREAT! A few sets last ok. I see a two set at the bar and didn't repeat the same mistake as before and I positioned myself on her outside. The set lasts awhile, I get physical too late and blow myself out.
Julien sends me into a mix set. I immediately get physical with my target with intent. She gets uncomfortable and I quickly calibrate. I keep talking to her without seeing her friends in my periphery. They were getting worried and was about to pull her away but Julien caught it and told me to greet the friends really quick. I greeted the friends and Julien immediately whispers to focus back on my target quick. I swear… I've never experienced anything like this in my life. She totally forgot what happened and was smiling along with her friends after I switched the conversation to more positive emotions. It was like I was a puppet and Julien was the puppeteer pulling the strings on where to move and putting a hand up my ass telling me what say and no one had a clue what the fuck was going on. THIS TO ME WAS ONE OF THE BEST REFERENCE EXPERIENCES OF THE NIGHT IF NOT THE WHOLE BOOTCAMP!
So I see this asian two set in the corner. I did the standard breaking rapport handshake approach. Didn't get physical right away but had to calibrate. I wanted to use the opportunity to rotate her and put myself in corner. I did this gay pussy-ass attempt to pull her away from the corner. But she totally resisted and complained about her ankle? NOTE TO SELF: NEXT TIME YANK HER OUT LIKE A FUCKING ENTITLED GORILLA! I ejected.
Later on I see Bratra88 and Ginga Ninja. They were stuck in spectator mode watching Julien. I began talking to them and Julien caught me and said "WTF!!! APPROACH!!!" I do a few more sets and I see Julien with asian two set that I tried to rotate upstairs. They were now downstairs. I checked out how Julien would fare. I saw him spewing some stuff across the room which I couldn't make out but they were hooked. I later found out that he was saying some Ching Chong and eating dog lines. He authoritatively did the hand of god to the one asian that I tried to rotate previously. He said something like "COME HERE NOW!" and he basically just yanked her and she followed a long giggling. I looked down on the floor ashamed of myself lol. He left the set and got Ginga Ninja to approach them. I later found out that Julien told him to put his hands together and bow to them lmao!
Julien's assistants came through and he gave the signal to hit the streets and do street sets! Before I went out I approached a girl coming right into the door and immediately got physical with her. Held her at rocking with rapport and chatted for a few minutes. I had to go and told her to give me her number.
HER: I have a boyfriend.
ME: SO? WHAT ARE YOU…MARRIED?
HER: I GUESS IT'S ONLY DATING HEHE
Gives me the number….niiiicccceeeee…..
Street sets turned into virtual insanity of chasing girls down, yelling, making fun of chicks and being complete assholes….PURE TESTOSTERONE!!! I LOVED IT!!! It's the kind of vibe that was contagious. I had a similar experience doing street sets with Owen in Austin. Even Uncle Pauly let loose a lil (well as best as he could haha).
Julien and the assistants hooked this two set. I don't remember all the details but the highlights involved: Julien yanking her by the arm. Making out with her. Him calling her a horrible kisser. She's still sticking around after that. He's calling her and her friend a HO and they're still sticking around following them!
We approach a few more sets. Julien got a group of four french girls to almost come to the diner with us but didn't pan out logistically.
We get into cab and go to the diner. We get into the cab and an SUV pulls up with 3 spanish chicks. The driver himself was macking to the girls. They peel out when the light turns green. A total sign that they wanted to be chased. I yell at the cab driver to chase them down. Cab drivers was on that before I said "chase". Finally we get them at a red stop light where I get out of the cab in mid traffic and got them to roll down the window and attempt a car make out. "Hurry up Hurry up…quick quick before the light turns green woman! …. No one will ever know!" They were giggling and taking pictures of me. I even went to another girl in the back seat but unfortunately a no go ass the light turned green. I had to run back into the cab. Julien had some pointers about my car make out attempt. Don't stick head all the way in the car because:
1) One it can cause the girl to be uncomfortable
2) You can get decapitated if they peel out quick…. good advice indeed ;)
So we get to the diner and Julien approaches a seated 3 set once he gets into the diner. One girl is freaking smoking with a DD rack just popping out. Of course he approaches her. He stands her up and pulls the secret physical stack move. Eventually gets to hug the rack and we bounce for debrief.
We're waiting for food. Julien sends me in to talk to DD's. It's more of a friend to friend chat with all 3 girls, but I was pushing a little with the DD's and ignoring some of her threads and paying attention to her friends. Not sure if it backfired. I got the number but more importantly it got hug the DD's first hand and they felt real…… real good!
So we get food and start debrief. I personally wanted to vent on some topics discussed earlier. First the lessons I learned.
1) When using momentum to get into state. You shouldn't force approaches. You shouldn't force trying to get into state. You should let it arise naturally! You have to have trust that it will happen. You should be pumped just by approaching correctly and acting throughout your intentions.
2) He stressed that I needed to have less time of reaction while approaching --> Trains you to be present.
At this point I interrupted the debrief and I wanted to call him out on what happened with the whole non-stop talking out loud exercise that I had to do.
JULIEN: "Uhhhhhh yeah I was trying to get you to develop the fury man. I wanted to get you to a point where the pain was so great that the fury of taking action would take over. All of your approaches lacked fury. It lacked feeling! Ummmm yeahhhhh but it backfired because you have this ridiculous ability to take an infinite amount of punishment and pain! After I knew that it wasn't going to work for you I decided to change venues because changes in environment acts as a reset in state." (f.y.i. I see similarities in Ozzie's approach to transitioning from high energy environments to low energy environments)
ME: "Ok now I'm totally confused? You said not to ping off the environment! When I went to Brass Monkey my approaches were way better because I liked Brass Monkey WAY better than Phoebes (a.k.a. Afghanistan). And when we did street sets my state went through the roof because I was totally absorbing the crazy state that you and the assistants were in! And on top of that I caught you using MAD canned lines from hot seat in the streets! " (i just said that last remark out of spite… i really didn't give a shit about the lines).
JULIEN: "Ok good point. It's human and natural to ping a little of the environment. But what's going to happen when the environment doesn't swing your way? You know you still can pull without being in state. The point being is that your goal is to develop the skill to develop state within yourself when the environment doesn't go your way. By all means use positive environmental influences to add to your internal state that you've already developed, but rely on your inner state to take over when the environment isn't in your favor.
ME: "What about the whole remark about burning every set to the ground? Isn't that what I'm supposed to do?"
JULIEN: "TOTALLY!!! I was just fuckin around with you man…"
Which takes me to lesson #3
3) APPROACH WITH FURY! APPROACH WITH FEELING! GET THE FURY!!!
4) During momentum building process push intent more and more, little by little as you feel more entitled.
5) He reiterated Alex's philosophy of "I am enough" Julien felt that I didn't project that philosophy during my approaches.
6) Be grounded/centered. Don't be floaty. Don't rely on pinging from the environment.
7) How would you act to a girl if she was a fatty. You should act the same if the girl is a hotty.
8) You should approach a girl not with the mindset that "She's hot. I want to fuck her so bad" rather you should approach her thinking "Hey she seems cool. Let's find out"
9) Be the cause not the effect!
10) Knowing the difference between INSISTENCE vs. PERSISTENCE. Persisting our ploughing comes from the frame that you're a sexual guy and you keep expressing yourself no matter what her reactions are because you're self amused. Insisting assumes that you're frame is weak and you are trying to get her onboard your island or reality from neediness and seeking rapport.
11) When you're with you friends you want to create this synergistic vortex of sucking girls into your reality. This vortex should overwhelm the environment and not vice versa.
12) Have low expectations when you go out. This is part of being outcome dependent. The only thing you can control is your intent and freedom from outcome. Let go of your ego! This lesson was specifically told for me. I have a BIG EGO! Even when Julien opened up sets and wanted to introduce them to me. I declined because in my own head I felt it was a "hand me down" and I didn't work for it. Yup that's a tough one for me.
13) Need self amusement in my sets. Need to be passionate of what you want to talk about. Uncle Pauly did this way better than me.
14) Self amusement comes from momentum. Momentum gives you permission to self amuse.
15) If I could go back in set after getting blown out and recover it then it proved that I never really pushed that set to the limit.
16) I didn't have a lot of outer game fundamentals. Julien suggested looking at Foundations for reference.
17) I need to forget about the negative and dwell on the positive. During the entire bootcamp I was overly critical on the things that I needed to improve. And when Julien gave me praise on something I did good, I came off too humble about it rather than saying "Yeah I'm a motherfucking PIMP!"
18) Do 30 day Challenge (I'm on Day 6)
Epilogue
I had to say that the whole bootcamp experience had a lot of roller coaster ups and downs! All great learning experiences and reference points! Even my wing crew has already seen a change in my game. Julien's passion and ability for teaching, coaching and motivating students is exemplary. He simply REFUSES to give up on you and will do whatever it takes for you to reach your full potential. I saw that first hand, when my 45 year old classmate out-pimped me. My jaw just dropped to the floor! Julien was also gracious in accepting feedback, and having students question and challenge his teachings when they didn't understand a concept. That's a sign of good teacher. I requested Julien because I received a lot positive feedback about his teaching style from my friends. I requested prior to the bootcamp that he focused on certain specific sticking points that I had. He reassured me not to worry. Needless to say he not only performed but exceeded my expectations several times over. The rest is up to me now.
"I believe in having a few pupils at one time as it requires a constant alert observation of each individual in order to establish a direct relationship. A good teacher can never be fixed in a routine... each moment requires a sensitive mind that is constantly changing and constantly adapting. A teacher must never impose this student to fit his favorite pattern; a good teacher functions as a pointer, exposing his student's vulnerability and causing him to explore both internally and finally integrating himself with his being. Martial art should not be passed out indiscriminately." - Bruce Lee, on adapting to each student.