THE FORUMS

Hey Dave7,

At first I was mad at you because you got angry at FoodBuddha, who is a long time great poster here, and is one of the few trying to actually put as much value as they can when they bother posting anything. 
Also for me he embodies a legendary generation of rsdn posters, which has almost totally disappeared from the forums (like 10pin, or Tom! for example). John- is the guy that inspired me to start posting here. At that time rsdn was full on giving value to the max, 100% content - almost no trolling. When I see FB posting I feel this lost good vibe of good guys making things happen in their lives and helping the other to do so. 

So don't be so meaaaaan !

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Anyway, now that you became good friends, let's stay on topic. What you're talking about here is an issue I was struggling with, and still am to some extent, but I had some cool insights about it lately. I'm gonna share things I thought about and stuff I experienced with, I hope it can help. 

-Feeling it's a chore =  being on a plateau. 
Keep at it, read Mastery, results will come. For how long ? Dunno LOL HAHAHAHA.  

-Start with basic material things: change the venues you go to, find venues that are more challenging, more fun, filled with more girls or simply new. Sleep better, eat better, etc. 

-A chore is something you do that is repetitive, tiring and boring. You should ask yourself how you made PU turn into that, and how you could make it less boring / tiring / repetitive. 
For me these days, I felt going out like being a chore sometimes. 
Why ? 
Because I didn't push myself enough to get something interesting out of it. 
So the problem is not pickup, it's my LAZY ASS. 
(Oddly enough, when I was almost jerked off on the dancefloor by that Italian hottie yesterday after a night of obliteration, I suddenly found PU pretty interesting). 

-So try to experiment more. See what you are not comfortable with, and try to improve there. For example, try to make out as early as possible with girls. Get physically aggressive. Find ideas in the forum and the videos, and play with them for a few nights. 

-Tim used to say something like:  "Ask yourself at all times - how can I make this fun ?". Greatest advice ever. 
It forces you to become positive. 
It forces you to take responsibility.
It forces you to become creative.
It forces you to become more self amused.
And it's fun :)

-What are your goals ? As FB suggests it, if you're not clear with your goals, and how to get there, you're doomed to view it as a chore. 
That's because it has lost its meaning. 
Where is the meaning in all that now ? Can you articulate it ? 

-IME what happens is this:
Tyler says "go out 7x a week and you'll be like Tyler" --> Go out 7x a week --> Nothing happens --> Keep at it --> Still not like Tyler --> Keep at it --> It losts its meaning and wtf am I doing ? --> Post on the forum and feel negative. 
What were your expectations then ? Go out 7x a week and be like Tyler ? Good, Tyler spent 11 years doing that, so it's still ok if you're not Tyler after a year or 2. 
As for me I thought my last SP would disappear by themselves by going out 7x a week. They didn't. Why ?

***THE GO OUT 7X A WEEK FALLACY***
"If I just go out 7x a week I'll become a pimp". 
Wrong. (IMO).
Going out 7x enables you to SPEED UP the learning process. 
It IS NOT the learning process (to some extent, because you actually learn to get socially comfortable). 
The learning process is : Take action, get reference experiences, expand your skills from those experiences, try new things and repeat to get a wider range of skills. 
I don't do that 7x a week, that may be why I am not TylerCookakaRealSocialDynamics. 
I'm just throwing ideas here, but in your opinion are you in the learning process every night ? Are getting everything you can from your time out ? What could you do to learn more ? 

-IME I viewed PU as something enjoyable when
1- I had no expectations
2- I had fun regardless of my succes with girls
3- I was having many different experiences with girls (make outs etc) all the time
The paradox was that I had NO expectations, and yet I was still CONFIDENT that on a night out I'll get make outs, adventures and girls wanting to fuck me.
I had to change that because I wasn't getting the kind of girls I wanted. 

Then I felt it became a chore when
1- I had high expectations ("I hope I get laid by a 10 tonight otherwise I deserve to die")
2- The fun I had was dependent on my success with girls ie no lay = no fun
3- As a result I wasn't carefree anymore and had less and less interesting experience with girls. That made me even more outcome dependent, and my results plummeted. 

-One of the least talked about paradox in PU is how by actually going out MORE to get better, you can get WORSE.
Going out more and having more reference experiences, if you're not aware of it, can make you link subconsciously "Having fun / feeling good" to "getting girls". If you actually feel bad because you lost a girl, or because you didn't fuck a girl, instead of celebrating because you met cool people and made out with a girl or more, then this is what is happening. 
You became more outcome dependent.
I fell deep into that recently. 
Until I remembered a period where I was fuking a lot of new girls and pulling even more girls. This was the period where I was proactively thinking "don't worry at all about getting girls". 
I don't know if it is relevant to you: are you happy after a night where you got no result ? When you lost girls you thought were ready for the lay ? 
If not why ? Is it because nothing fun happened, or because you taught your brain to be outcome dependent ? 

-IME when I suck it's better to feel the pain than to avoid it. Now when I am stolen a girl, or when I suck, etc, I don't try to escape the pain, I try to feel it as much as possible, so that my brain finds a way out. Or I genuinely dont give a fuck. 
PU is like a chore: what does it teach about yourself that you didn't know ? What can you learn from that about you and your current way of doing PU ? 

Fuck it's becoming very long and I haven't finished. 

TLDR
-Go to other / more challenging / more interesting venues
-Go out with other people / alone
-Make a point to experiment new stuff as often as possible
-Try to learn the most of every night out, learning process at all times
-In the field: "HOW CAN I MAKE THIS FUN ?"
-Question yourself:
Why do you do that ? What is the goal ? How to get there ? Are you doing what's necessary to get there ? 
Are you having fun when you're not pulling ? Why ? 
What does the fact that you view PU as a chore can teach you, about yourself and about PU ? How can it help your progression ? What can you change ? 
Is viewing PU as chore helping you with girls ? Why ? Is it your responsibility to make it not a chore ? How ? 

Hope it helps - Best of luck ;)

I mean this is my interpretation, so don't take it as 100%.  

But I remember running into Alex this past Summit a day or 2 before the shit actually started and he'd just gotten off the plane and was all fucken pumped, excited and shit, and just like you know how children are, they'll just never shut the fuck up.  He also just really likes to tell stories and shit and draws them all out and stuff.  :)  

And what I remember of Tyler when he first showed up at bootcamp was that he didn't look too excited to be talking to us until he got going a bit into the first day seminar stuff, and on the car ride over he was all "Turn off the radio" -- he doesn't seem to like to tell stories for fun, only if they really like are useful for teaching some principle, etc.  (Yeah this is how Tyler was on that day as he'd just had his first kid a few days before, but I think he usually just takes a bit to "get started.")  

I know that when I'm in a zone where I'm "naturally talkative already" its better for me to RELAX with it...but if I'm in some zone of being quiet, I want to start forcing myself to talk rather than think about "relaxing."  

LOL @ ambergris

See this is what i got problems with utopiafive :

this thread is about fucking dave and about "im taking action daily but motivation is waning", not your bitch ass.

I am also taking action daily, maybe not picking up girls but that's just a small % of life overall !
Besides i got a girl now so i do go out and talk to girls but i got no intention in fucking them !

So stfu with the "bitch ass" blabla i was just giving my opinion on it.. If he got some value from it it's cool, if not then no biggie !

And btw i don't need to go out 7 nights a week to give my opinion cuz i can imagine very clearly what it feels like to view pickup as a chore cuz i felt it myself and when i approached i didn't do it cuz i NEEDED to do setss or anything but just for the fun.. Also not being so obsessed with the whole getting good thing b ut rather having fun with mates and from there including the girls etc..

Whatever dude, i'm not gonna type any longer LOL