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May 21st, 2013
IMPORTANT question: How to make pickup NOT like a chore?
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#41
dave7

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jarnow wrote:
Awesome topic dude !

Why do you go out every night ?
Because you really want to or.. What do you want to get out of it ?

I say if your passionate about girls and going out and learning these skills go out as much as you can and fucking ENJOY IT !
Enjoy the bad and the good nights etc..

But man, go out as much as YOU want..

Who is forcing you ?

Thanks for the reply. I go out b/c I have always been desparate to develop REAL social skills, and it's the best way that I've found for me to do so. The reason that I want social skills so bad is b/c of past pain and anxiety that I have experienced. And I've always thought I would be good with girls but I think my social anxiety REALLY fucked my skills with girls so I never developed them. So I go out b/c I am desparate to learn these skills. I'm 25 so I'm still young but not super young anymore. I'm forcing myself to go out. I have some skills now tbh. 

I think one important aspect is that I've never really "enjoyed" social situations, so maybe that's a reason why I don't always enjoy going out.


***I also don't think my problems are specific to me. I think these issues are part of many guys that are learning this. Whatever that means.
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dude i mean you're a fucking amateur here, you don't even go out, we're glad your life is OK now but its not your prerogative to tell other people how to get results here

gtfo and stick to your life you're happy with.  dude wants to beast, not "find happiness right now"
jarnow wrote:
Awesome topic dude !

Why do you go out every night ?
Because you really want to or.. What do you want to get out of it ?

I say if your passionate about girls and going out and learning these skills go out as much as you can and fucking ENJOY IT !
Enjoy the bad and the good nights etc..

But man, go out as much as YOU want..

Who is forcing you ?

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UtopiaFive wrote:
dude i mean you're a fucking amateur here, you don't even go out, we're glad your life is OK now but its not your prerogative to tell other people how to get results here

gtfo and stick to your life you're happy with.  dude wants to beast, not "find happiness right now"
jarnow wrote:
Awesome topic dude !

Why do you go out every night ?
Because you really want to or.. What do you want to get out of it ?

I say if your passionate about girls and going out and learning these skills go out as much as you can and fucking ENJOY IT !
Enjoy the bad and the good nights etc..

But man, go out as much as YOU want..

Who is forcing you ?


LOL. Ever since I got mad at foodbuddha I've been trying to be more chill with people. I usually assume that people that comment, especially in threads like this, actually do go out. I wish people would be more honest when commenting. Like they should say "I don't go out more than once per month, but I wanted to give advice anyway". Or "I've only done 50 approaches in my life". Or "I just got my first phone number last week". Lol, I'm not trying to offend anyone here. Because when I'm looking for advice, I think the best usually is from people that are or have been in similar positions vis a vis experience. So then their advice or comments are genuinle and will actually probably help (if I'm not too stubborn that is). 
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 I also don't get it when people say "why don't you enjoy every minute of it?" For a second I do a double take, and I'm like "oh shit I don't enjoy every second what's wrong with me?" But then I realize WTF only people that don't ever go out but once a month would say something like that. I need to go out anyway. Gonna meditate 10 mins then I will "enjoy every minute of it" lol.
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Yeah I'm harsh on this Jarno guy (in this thread only) as he'd been crying on RSDN for months that his life sucked and that his dad died like 17 years ago and he still hadn't gotten over it.  Then today he's all "Hey guys my life is back on track dur I have a girlfriend" (which is fine but dude is not living the pimpin lifestyle).  And then all of a sudden from "not beasting" he knows how to respond to the emotional experiences of a guy going out 7 days a week.  Which I KNOW he is not.  

The thing is I remember back when I had banged maybe 4 chicks in 2008 I used to say shit super authoratitively on here then someone basically kicked me in the balls saying "derp these guys talking shit on you bang 4 chicks a week" and soon after I found the RSD stuff...and it was a SWIFT KICK IN THE ASS that moved me back to FOCUSING ON MY OWN PROGRESS.  (Which as I say this I know deep down is where my head needs to be, as I can "push myself for miles and miles" or I can "push myself a few feet, try to drag others behind me, then get stuck".)

I try and balance me being fucken enthused about how cool I am while also looking to the areas I do have to honestly step up on, and I don't think most people are like this; as such I take a careful eye towards what people say on here.  

For example I've learned to pretty much filter out haterism completely, as
- anyone posting this shit towards me, I've looked to their post history and see them with threads like "Hi I have no friends dur dur dur" and I just see their hater posts and realize its about THEM not ME
- the exception is Jeffy yet I can always look to OTHER PARTS of his post (focus on the steps, the information contained, not the "fagot" part) to learn what I need to be seeing

Also I tend to judge people's posts based on the INFORMATION/ACTION and MINDSETS contained within.  For example I might see ambiguity spouting out some BS over and over and eventually CALL IT OUT, however, if I see him saying something TRUE well I corroborate this shit.  Its never personal, its always situational.  

Also you have to keep in mind that PRETTY MUCH ALL ACTION IS GOOD...the thing is for it to be USEFUL it needs to be RELEVANT TO YOU and it also needs to be RELEVANT TO YOU, RIGHT NOW.  Like I was out with 2 really new guys last weekend, they were both super new to cold approach, and one guy needed to BE MORE EXPRESSIVE/ENTHUSIASTIC, and the other guy needed to MASSIVELY SLOW THE FUCK DOWN.  Same "experience level" (fairly new to the shit) yet they had to do EXACTLY OPPOSITE ACTIONS to move their shit to a place where girls are going to be interested and they can hook the set.  After just a night (I was being a fag and basically just watching and helping them by winging fatties etc as I was sick w diarrhea, even tho I magically got laid from the diner lol) they were both doing wayyyy more solid, one of the guys was actually doing what I consider pretty fucking awesome when we were out a 2nd night (he can reveal himself here or not, if he wants...otherwise I won't say his name).  And this was by doing OPPOSITE ACTIONS.  ("Slow down", versus "get in their face".)

The problem is, that most people aren't looking to post WHATS GOOD FOR YOU (dave7)...they only want to push their own needs onto others and say WHATS GOOD FOR ME.  That's the issue with most people here and reading feedback from them.  Like look at this "throw state in the trashcan" guy -- he doesn't realize that some people, without focusing on momentum and hitting state, will just sit around.  And some people, when they "try and get in state" will be too abrasive and hence should more focus on RELAXATION.  Alexander is NATURALLY LOUD AND TALKATIVE hence his focus is on RELAX -- Tyler is NATURALLY QUIET, INTROSPECTIVE, and STIFLED (as in this is who he would have been if he never tried to "change" shit about himself) and hence he needs to focus on DESTROYING IMPULSE INHIBITION.  Also...looks factor into how you need to play the game.  The point is "throw state in the trashcan" guy doesnt understand "this shit is right for me, not for everyone."  

For Jarno here honestly he's probably not set up to "go out every day" and for him to consider doing it he'd be fucking up his life even more.  At the same time, he's exactly the kind of guy who would "WANT TO" go out 7 days a week (as in he says he does even tho its not right for him now) but for him to acknowledge this he is going to FEEL BAD, so instead he tells you "dont do shit you dont want to do" etc.  

For a while I was very "lets try and put out a lot of value here, I want to get what constitutes value and what doesnt -- aka what to people respond to and want" (as this is relevant to getting it in, but as well as to "making money" which is going to be my huge endeavor in 2013) -- and more lately I've been very "what is in here that I can learn" (thats why you see my threads will all be "authoritative and telling people whats up" for a few weeks and then later its very "here is my question of the day" every few days).  But I guess right now I'm very much trying to discern ACTUALLY VALUABLE POSTS from the useless bullshit.  

And actually, I think its more for YOU that I told him to stfu fag, as I personally would just ignore, but since you're out every day (as am I) I'm more interested in punishing the bullshit responses to YOUR thread (not that I know you personally but you seem more taking action than most people as you're actually going out, which I personally want to REWARD as I want to be interacting with people in real life and online who are doing the same shit I am).  If that makes sense.  

So I wasn't saying "don't be a dick or reject EVERYBODY" its just that I have the impression FoodBuddha gets laid regularly enough, and his posts GENERALLY seem on point to me, and Jarno is doing good shit AKA living a normal life which was a step up for him, BUTTTT I think he needs to understand the boundary of taking care of his own shit and not trying to dole out advice that is IRRELEVANT given his life experiences.  
dave7 wrote:

UtopiaFive wrote:
dude i mean you're a fucking amateur here, you don't even go out, we're glad your life is OK now but its not your prerogative to tell other people how to get results here

gtfo and stick to your life you're happy with.  dude wants to beast, not "find happiness right now"
jarnow wrote:
Awesome topic dude !

Why do you go out every night ?
Because you really want to or.. What do you want to get out of it ?

I say if your passionate about girls and going out and learning these skills go out as much as you can and fucking ENJOY IT !
Enjoy the bad and the good nights etc..

But man, go out as much as YOU want..

Who is forcing you ?


LOL. Ever since I got mad at foodbuddha I've been trying to be more chill with people. I usually assume that people that comment, especially in threads like this, actually do go out. I wish people would be more honest when commenting. Like they should say "I don't go out more than once per month, but I wanted to give advice anyway". Or "I've only done 50 approaches in my life". Or "I just got my first phone number last week". Lol, I'm not trying to offend anyone here. Because when I'm looking for advice, I think the best usually is from people that are or have been in similar positions vis a vis experience. So then their advice or comments are genuinle and will actually probably help (if I'm not too stubborn that is). 
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RSD Misinterpreted: A Series of Posts on Popular RSD Ideas and How I Used to Misunderstand Them
Coming to you every Sunday...
Part I -- What Tyler means by "Drop the Self-Image Paradigm"
►Part II -- [What Do You Want to Hear About On a Coming Sunday?]
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#46
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 All of that was awesome. Thanks. I just get frustrated when I'm REALLY looking for some help/advice on something lol, and it's hard to know who/what to trust. But I def got some good tips here anyway. 

That's cool you helped out some new dudes. I guess you just do that for free? I wanna come to SF and do that, maybe I'll come for a few days over spring break. 

And yeah that's probably why I like Tyler's game b/c I have similar tendencies that he used to have, so I can relate to his methods more I guess.
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#47

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Dudes wtf ?

I just gave my opinion on it of how i would do it in that situation !

Jeezz man, i'm not giving like authorative advice here and pretend like i know what's it's like to go out all the time i'm just sharing my opinion..
And just cuz i don't do the same shit as you doesn't mean my opinion is automaticly worthless.

And for the comments on me "crying about my dad" just stfu plz cuz you have no idea about me or my life situation..

Just hold back with these harsh unnesecary comments thanks !
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OK, apology or whatnot accepted, but really it's unnecessary.  I'm not responding to that.  Everybody is a tuffguy on the interwebs, self included.  I fluff up my feathers just as much as U5, dave7, ambergris, Jeffy and whoever else.  Irrelevant whether we clash or agree.  So, to cut through the weeds...  I still haven't seen an answer to my legit questions.  I can simplify them into 1 question:

Dave7, from going out every night for as long as you have, are you getting the results you WANT?  

You don't even have to say, "why yes, Foodie, I am getting laid exactly 2.76 times a week from my efforts."  I just want to hear you say if you are getting the results you envisioned, OR NOT.

If you are, then I don't have anything to offer.  But if you're not getting what you want, then let's talk about whether the ingredients of that vision are realistic and do-able, and then how to get you there.  That's all I'm after.  It's not a pissing contest.  It's a legit deconstruction of your process.
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It's a chore because you are making it a chore.  This is a big difference between going out 7x a week like Tyler (because he flat out loves it) and forcing yourself to do it so you can "go out and practice" or "go do a few approaches."  You guys are coming from to totally different places.  If you're burned out, take a break, especially if it's not fun any more.  I do my best not from going out a ton, but from improving my life all around.  Going out and "practicing" (I hate the idea of even thinking of going out like that) is only a small peice of the puzzle.
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UtopiaFive wrote:
 
Alexander is NATURALLY LOUD AND TALKATIVE hence his focus is on RELAX -- Tyler is NATURALLY QUIET, INTROSPECTIVE, and STIFLED (as in this is who he would have been if he never tried to "change" shit about himself) and hence he needs to focus on DESTROYING IMPULSE INHIBITION.  
Wow, didn't know that, good to know. I think this should be a disclaimer in EVERY rsd video. 
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