THE FORUMS
Friday, Feb 3 – Meet up with RockNRollPUA and tflane3 to hit up some Chicago clubs. When we got in the club I did my own approaches and so did Rock. What ended up happening is we each went our own ways after about 5 minutes and the comfort of relying on a wing was no more. This was good for me. I was responsible for my state and my progress. The Chicago bootcamp crew came to the same club we were at. At one point Derrick from rsd starts talking to tflane3, I shake his hand. You're an icy mother fucker Derrick.
Bottom Line: Opened a shit ton of girls ( 30+)and went hard on the streets of Chicago. Literally running after girls. I was not pushing myself hard enough during the interaction and need to focus on being physical and being stupid.
Saturday, Feb 4 – Did a brief approach session during the day before hotseat. Watched the Tyler hotseat all day and wanted to kill it. Meet up with another RSD guy. I was like “yea another RSD guy who I can hit it up hard with! A wingman”. No this was not the case, this guy was a bit weird (no offense man) and after about 15 minutes I realized it would be better to go solo and my state/progress depended solely on me. This disappointed me for a few minutes, but now I realize this is always the case. You are always solo, this makes you stronger!
Eventually meet up with RockNRollPUA after hitting some stuff up. We hit up two places and bounce to a third. While waiting in line Rock opens a girl and I see a bit of how it goes before I enter the club. Rock ends up pulling the girl, it was a cool experience to go out with a guy (get a sense of who he was, his personality) and know that he pulled. I enter the club and do a few approaches. The bootcamp guys came in and I saw them doing their thing. This inspired me and I started hitting up more sets. Saw Tyler do a demo.
Bottom Line: I realized I need to set my own rhythm regardless if I’m with wingmen or not. It is only me that can push myself. Realized there were a few interactions Saturday night were I should have pulled or at least pushed harder. Approached probably 15-20 girls.
Bottom Line: Opened a shit ton of girls ( 30+)and went hard on the streets of Chicago. Literally running after girls. I was not pushing myself hard enough during the interaction and need to focus on being physical and being stupid.
Saturday, Feb 4 – Did a brief approach session during the day before hotseat. Watched the Tyler hotseat all day and wanted to kill it. Meet up with another RSD guy. I was like “yea another RSD guy who I can hit it up hard with! A wingman”. No this was not the case, this guy was a bit weird (no offense man) and after about 15 minutes I realized it would be better to go solo and my state/progress depended solely on me. This disappointed me for a few minutes, but now I realize this is always the case. You are always solo, this makes you stronger!
Eventually meet up with RockNRollPUA after hitting some stuff up. We hit up two places and bounce to a third. While waiting in line Rock opens a girl and I see a bit of how it goes before I enter the club. Rock ends up pulling the girl, it was a cool experience to go out with a guy (get a sense of who he was, his personality) and know that he pulled. I enter the club and do a few approaches. The bootcamp guys came in and I saw them doing their thing. This inspired me and I started hitting up more sets. Saw Tyler do a demo.
Bottom Line: I realized I need to set my own rhythm regardless if I’m with wingmen or not. It is only me that can push myself. Realized there were a few interactions Saturday night were I should have pulled or at least pushed harder. Approached probably 15-20 girls.
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1st 30 day challenge : http://www.rsdnation.com/node/208083/forum
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Progress Journal: www.rsdnation.com/node/211535/forum
1st 30 day challenge : http://www.rsdnation.com/node/208083/forum
2nd BC (Jun 14, 2012): www.rsdnation.com/node/232206/forum
Progress Journal: www.rsdnation.com/node/211535/forum
Hot Seat 2 Remembrances:
*key note: after being in the game for a bit (about 5 months, one bootcamp, one 30 day challenge) and going through a relatively decent amount of pain, You realize how valuable an experience this is. It can be so easy to see how awesome this stuff is and classify it as “magical or scripted”, BUT UNLESS you have gone through some decent pain, and tried to make some effort and take action to progress at this stuff you won’t value it as much. Although I’m between a noob and an intermediate I had a much greater understanding/appreciation for this stuff than when I went to my first one back in April 2011.
*IMO no matter what happens: you are the one who must commit to this. No matter how pumped up, how many wings you have, or how many hotseats you attend; when you hit the club and get slapped (or pinched) with the first dose of fear it’s like your mind forgets everything else and all that is left is whether you are able to push yourself or not.
Example: after second day at hotseat, met up with another guy. He was kind of weird and didn’t want to hit things up too hard, so I stuck around with him and started to feel nervous/scared due to lack of momentum. When we finally got in a club I realized I am always on my own (regardless that I know I’m in a huge city full of girls I will never see again, knowing I can push it hard because of this, and have (or not) been at hotseat all day)and started approaching shit.
Bottom Line: The hotseat was awesome and had much more meaning after I have been going out for a bit. Will it help me? Yes, BUT I know that maybe over a week or two I will lose the “hyped up state, momentum” of attending it and revert to my baseline state. Does that mean it was a waste? Hell no! It is like an emotional spike. I will keep making steady progress and of course the spike will help me out. I am not relying on the spike though, this spike makes me realize that it’s always me who makes the decision to push this stuff hard or not. ALWAYS. If I’m sitting and see a cute girl. If I’m at a club and see a beauty. It is always my decision to go in for it because the fear strips away any transient feelings/hype and it gets down to raw powerful motivation and will power.
*reality: I am going to lose momentum and going to lose state periodically, it’s the actions I take when this happens that will determine my success.
*key note: after being in the game for a bit (about 5 months, one bootcamp, one 30 day challenge) and going through a relatively decent amount of pain, You realize how valuable an experience this is. It can be so easy to see how awesome this stuff is and classify it as “magical or scripted”, BUT UNLESS you have gone through some decent pain, and tried to make some effort and take action to progress at this stuff you won’t value it as much. Although I’m between a noob and an intermediate I had a much greater understanding/appreciation for this stuff than when I went to my first one back in April 2011.
*IMO no matter what happens: you are the one who must commit to this. No matter how pumped up, how many wings you have, or how many hotseats you attend; when you hit the club and get slapped (or pinched) with the first dose of fear it’s like your mind forgets everything else and all that is left is whether you are able to push yourself or not.
Example: after second day at hotseat, met up with another guy. He was kind of weird and didn’t want to hit things up too hard, so I stuck around with him and started to feel nervous/scared due to lack of momentum. When we finally got in a club I realized I am always on my own (regardless that I know I’m in a huge city full of girls I will never see again, knowing I can push it hard because of this, and have (or not) been at hotseat all day)and started approaching shit.
Bottom Line: The hotseat was awesome and had much more meaning after I have been going out for a bit. Will it help me? Yes, BUT I know that maybe over a week or two I will lose the “hyped up state, momentum” of attending it and revert to my baseline state. Does that mean it was a waste? Hell no! It is like an emotional spike. I will keep making steady progress and of course the spike will help me out. I am not relying on the spike though, this spike makes me realize that it’s always me who makes the decision to push this stuff hard or not. ALWAYS. If I’m sitting and see a cute girl. If I’m at a club and see a beauty. It is always my decision to go in for it because the fear strips away any transient feelings/hype and it gets down to raw powerful motivation and will power.
*reality: I am going to lose momentum and going to lose state periodically, it’s the actions I take when this happens that will determine my success.
__________________
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1st 30 day challenge : http://www.rsdnation.com/node/208083/forum
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Progress Journal: www.rsdnation.com/node/211535/forum
1st 30 day challenge : http://www.rsdnation.com/node/208083/forum
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Progress Journal: www.rsdnation.com/node/211535/forum
Hot Seat 2 Notes:
Day 1 Tyler:
Clarity in your thoughts, words, and actions. It doesn’t matter if you are in state just act how you feel. Don’t try to put on some front of high energy or whatever.
Buyer/Seller dynamic
Freedom From Outcome
KEY: super fast momentum building; looking for things and seeing you won’t die when you do them. Shift the RAS from “thinking you might get killed” to “there are only opportunities”.
Stay process oriented and know that things will just happen.
Draw state from within (awesome example: when he just started yelling shit. Then said he was about 20% there). Not the environment.
Don’t go for rapport, go for fucking MAN TO WOMAN interaction. (not where are you from, what do you do, etc)
You are literally making the girls incredible happy and doing them a favor by talking to them. Will they every have this much fun if you didn’t? No. You are an awesome guy that every girl dreams about meeting.
Anime Eyes can be a hint. To go in for the kill or back off.
Day 2 Julian:
It’s all about your vibe: the shit you say doesn’t matter. (maybe practice saying stuff and trying to take the filter off of your mind)
You need to be in her RAS to get recognized, say any random shit you want to get into her RAS. You need to land the plane (hook).
Once in her RAS, LEAD the interaction and set the pace.
Be the cause not the effect. Nothing has to be super fun or super chill, it has to be authentic!
Authentic doesn’t mean being truthful, it could be expression your emotions fully.
You need to take the responsibility off the girl when going for the lay: (after party, come come, no one will see,
Moment of realness, needs to be done. Can be a normal interaction spiked with random shit.
Push/Pull! (ok you’re done, get out!)
You can have really chill lays, nothing has to be crazy (I need to work on being chill, this does not mean being a pussy)
As long as she is still talking to you it is on. Never walk away and always go for broke!
Day game is no different than night game.
Physical Escalation: can go in very hard. If you feel any real resistance immediately back off. Then go for it again. THIS is how it is done.
Outcome independence. Can literally make or break you it is that subtle thing that makes everything click. (do not pressure yourself into it, just realize it after the fact).
*if you notice yourself getting into a pattern where you say the same stuff, when it happens again disrupt it by saying some other random shit.
--(don’t embarrass me in front of my friends. Be cool. Be real. Hey hey hey. I’m inbred. Other similar sound bites.)
*girls are illogical, want to fuck more than guys (but social conditioning tells them this is bad, and therefore won’t easily let you fuck them), are in their own universe, don’t give a shit about what you say (only the energy you project).
Day 1 Tyler:
Clarity in your thoughts, words, and actions. It doesn’t matter if you are in state just act how you feel. Don’t try to put on some front of high energy or whatever.
Buyer/Seller dynamic
Freedom From Outcome
KEY: super fast momentum building; looking for things and seeing you won’t die when you do them. Shift the RAS from “thinking you might get killed” to “there are only opportunities”.
Stay process oriented and know that things will just happen.
Draw state from within (awesome example: when he just started yelling shit. Then said he was about 20% there). Not the environment.
Don’t go for rapport, go for fucking MAN TO WOMAN interaction. (not where are you from, what do you do, etc)
You are literally making the girls incredible happy and doing them a favor by talking to them. Will they every have this much fun if you didn’t? No. You are an awesome guy that every girl dreams about meeting.
Anime Eyes can be a hint. To go in for the kill or back off.
Day 2 Julian:
It’s all about your vibe: the shit you say doesn’t matter. (maybe practice saying stuff and trying to take the filter off of your mind)
You need to be in her RAS to get recognized, say any random shit you want to get into her RAS. You need to land the plane (hook).
Once in her RAS, LEAD the interaction and set the pace.
Be the cause not the effect. Nothing has to be super fun or super chill, it has to be authentic!
Authentic doesn’t mean being truthful, it could be expression your emotions fully.
You need to take the responsibility off the girl when going for the lay: (after party, come come, no one will see,
Moment of realness, needs to be done. Can be a normal interaction spiked with random shit.
Push/Pull! (ok you’re done, get out!)
You can have really chill lays, nothing has to be crazy (I need to work on being chill, this does not mean being a pussy)
As long as she is still talking to you it is on. Never walk away and always go for broke!
Day game is no different than night game.
Physical Escalation: can go in very hard. If you feel any real resistance immediately back off. Then go for it again. THIS is how it is done.
Outcome independence. Can literally make or break you it is that subtle thing that makes everything click. (do not pressure yourself into it, just realize it after the fact).
*if you notice yourself getting into a pattern where you say the same stuff, when it happens again disrupt it by saying some other random shit.
--(don’t embarrass me in front of my friends. Be cool. Be real. Hey hey hey. I’m inbred. Other similar sound bites.)
*girls are illogical, want to fuck more than guys (but social conditioning tells them this is bad, and therefore won’t easily let you fuck them), are in their own universe, don’t give a shit about what you say (only the energy you project).
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1st 30 day challenge : http://www.rsdnation.com/node/208083/forum
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Progress Journal: www.rsdnation.com/node/211535/forum
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Progress Journal: www.rsdnation.com/node/211535/forum
Mon-Thurs (Feb 6-9):
Throughout my day I don’t give myself permission to fail at approaching. I rationalize that since I’m not out at a club/bar/big city “doing my thing” I shouldn’t even bother approaching. This is a big sticking point for me because I’ve noticed many opportunities a day that I’m passing up. At the moment, this is one of my more difficult habits to break.
Throughout my day I don’t give myself permission to fail at approaching. I rationalize that since I’m not out at a club/bar/big city “doing my thing” I shouldn’t even bother approaching. This is a big sticking point for me because I’ve noticed many opportunities a day that I’m passing up. At the moment, this is one of my more difficult habits to break.
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1st 30 day challenge : http://www.rsdnation.com/node/208083/forum
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Progress Journal: www.rsdnation.com/node/211535/forum
1st 30 day challenge : http://www.rsdnation.com/node/208083/forum
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Progress Journal: www.rsdnation.com/node/211535/forum
Fri, Feb 10, 2012
Meet up with RocknRollPua, chill for a bit at a bar before we begin our night. Check out another bar on W 6th, which has mostly middle aged women on the first level but there are some young girls in the basement section. We get started approaching the few girls in the basement. My first set starts ok, but I’m completely playing not to lose. I tell one of the girls she is cute and I get the “eye pop” but I don’t take things further and it was a short interaction. Rock and I do a bit of yelling, then hit up these three girls on the dance floor. I spin one and we start dancing with her. I try talking and it’s completely friend to friend. This goes nowhere and I puss out.
Rock and I talk to these guys he met for about 15 min, then we bounce with them across the street to a better place. We open these 2 girls pretty quickly after getting in. Rock and his girl are having fun, definitely man to women. My girl and I are going hardcore friend to friend. After a couple of minutes they decide to leave. I open these 2 girls, but again it’s friend to friend and I take it nowhere. At this point I’m stalling out a bit on approaching so Rock pushes me into some sets and tells me to get more physical. I do this and things go pretty well. I end up re-opening these 2 girls, and get physical with one (hand holding, dancing, rocking rapport). Rock comes in and we end up interacting with these girls for a good 30 min. The set started pretty well, but after some dumb choding out and friend to friend shit (on my part) one girl “goes to the bathroom” and the other shortly follows. This was pretty much the end of our night, it was a good learning experience for me and a decently fun night. Things are starting to stick better.
Bottom Line: Winging with someone better than you really shows you how to interact with girls and what you need to work on. I need to act on my own, push myself, and not fall back on my wing if things are going downhill. My biggest challenges are: getting physical fast and self-amusing. I have pretty much gotten over the approaching roadblock, but now I just need to be chill and be physical when I’m talking to girls.
Girls Approached: 10-15
Meet up with RocknRollPua, chill for a bit at a bar before we begin our night. Check out another bar on W 6th, which has mostly middle aged women on the first level but there are some young girls in the basement section. We get started approaching the few girls in the basement. My first set starts ok, but I’m completely playing not to lose. I tell one of the girls she is cute and I get the “eye pop” but I don’t take things further and it was a short interaction. Rock and I do a bit of yelling, then hit up these three girls on the dance floor. I spin one and we start dancing with her. I try talking and it’s completely friend to friend. This goes nowhere and I puss out.
Rock and I talk to these guys he met for about 15 min, then we bounce with them across the street to a better place. We open these 2 girls pretty quickly after getting in. Rock and his girl are having fun, definitely man to women. My girl and I are going hardcore friend to friend. After a couple of minutes they decide to leave. I open these 2 girls, but again it’s friend to friend and I take it nowhere. At this point I’m stalling out a bit on approaching so Rock pushes me into some sets and tells me to get more physical. I do this and things go pretty well. I end up re-opening these 2 girls, and get physical with one (hand holding, dancing, rocking rapport). Rock comes in and we end up interacting with these girls for a good 30 min. The set started pretty well, but after some dumb choding out and friend to friend shit (on my part) one girl “goes to the bathroom” and the other shortly follows. This was pretty much the end of our night, it was a good learning experience for me and a decently fun night. Things are starting to stick better.
Bottom Line: Winging with someone better than you really shows you how to interact with girls and what you need to work on. I need to act on my own, push myself, and not fall back on my wing if things are going downhill. My biggest challenges are: getting physical fast and self-amusing. I have pretty much gotten over the approaching roadblock, but now I just need to be chill and be physical when I’m talking to girls.
Girls Approached: 10-15
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Sat – Feb 11, 2012
Meet up with Rock at a Lakewood bar. I was hoping to go into downtown because it is packed on Saturday nights. However, Rock insisted that we hit up Lakewood. The venues in Lakewood are more low key, chill spots as opposed to the crazy/loud downtown scene. Rock explained how to game the low key environments; “be chill and socialize. No need to be an approach machine or go crazy, because these girls come here regularly and you’ll get a bad rep.” I had a feeling this is how it would be, and to be honest, this is/was the hardest mindset for me to adjust to. I have almost zero experience gaming girls through social circles or just being chill in a new environment. In the club you can approach everything and do any kind of dumb shit you want without any repercussions. Not only are there very few repercussions in the club, but it’s easy to put yourself into state by going hard. Almost the complete opposite with the low key/chill spots. Enough bitching though….
We hit up the basement of the first spot, Rock starts talking to one girl while I kind of stand behind him (too stupefied to do anything). After 5 min we go upstairs, we talk for a bit and he can tell I’m not comfortable. He tells me to start talking, and we talk for a good 10 minutes then bounce to another spot. At the new venue Rock tells me the game plan: pulling solo can be tough when there are friends (the logistics can get messed up easily, both want to get fucked not just one, etc). However, if you have a wingman and both girls are having a good time things will go down a lot smoother. Since Rock is pretty solid with girls, we need to boost my game up so I can stick in there. The night begins.
I open a fatty. After a few minutes Rock comes in and one of the girls knows him. The friends come and take my girl away (easily). The other girl won’t join her friends and wants to talk to Rock, it was funny to see this go down.
Next is a 2 set that Rock opens. It goes like this; he spits his million (maybe billion) dollar mouthpiece while I stand there and get a few words in. However, I was not uncomfortable at all, I was just enjoying the interaction and chilling. I felt a decent connection with one girl. She was giving me good eye contact and playful taps even though I said very little. They go see their friends and tell us they will come back, they don’t come back.
We walk to the other side of the bar, Rock spots a cute 3 set; “I opened the last one, this ones on you”. I go up to one “Hey, I’m newstuff, blah blah, etc.”. She is giving me good eye contact while I’m doing “interview mode” mixed with a few dumb statements. Rock comes in after about 2 min and talks to the other two. We talk for another 5 min, then they are about to leave. I meet the cute blonde of the group, talk for about 2 min, and can tell we have some good chemistry. They go to leave, I don’t do anything. Rock is like “you guys are cool, lets hang out again”. The cute blond gives him her number. I shake/hold her hand as she leaves. She is like “get my number from him”. Decent interaction with a solid number close.
Rock hits up another set, but this is pretty much the end of our night.
Bottom Line: I was very uncomfortable at the beginning of the night and had no idea how to “be chill and socialize”. Being in set with Rock, feeling his energy, and trying a few things myself I realized “being chill and socializing” is awesome. After we number closed the 3 set of girls, I was in state. It was a unique state though, it was the searing coal as opposed to the raging brush fire. I had not experience this before. When this happened my vibe was “yea we’re just talking, but we both know this is going to end in sex”. This is opposed to the raging brush fire vibe, which is more like “hey!, here I am. The next guy trying to hit on you. I don’t care. I’m going to try and push this interaction”. Searing coal = calm, focused intent. Brush fire = hyped up, somewhat fearless actions, chaotic intent.
It’s easier to keep the conversation going in the low key spots because there aren’t as many distractions.
*I’m hitting up Chicago this weekend, it’s going to be sweet.
*Ugh, this was a long post.
Meet up with Rock at a Lakewood bar. I was hoping to go into downtown because it is packed on Saturday nights. However, Rock insisted that we hit up Lakewood. The venues in Lakewood are more low key, chill spots as opposed to the crazy/loud downtown scene. Rock explained how to game the low key environments; “be chill and socialize. No need to be an approach machine or go crazy, because these girls come here regularly and you’ll get a bad rep.” I had a feeling this is how it would be, and to be honest, this is/was the hardest mindset for me to adjust to. I have almost zero experience gaming girls through social circles or just being chill in a new environment. In the club you can approach everything and do any kind of dumb shit you want without any repercussions. Not only are there very few repercussions in the club, but it’s easy to put yourself into state by going hard. Almost the complete opposite with the low key/chill spots. Enough bitching though….
We hit up the basement of the first spot, Rock starts talking to one girl while I kind of stand behind him (too stupefied to do anything). After 5 min we go upstairs, we talk for a bit and he can tell I’m not comfortable. He tells me to start talking, and we talk for a good 10 minutes then bounce to another spot. At the new venue Rock tells me the game plan: pulling solo can be tough when there are friends (the logistics can get messed up easily, both want to get fucked not just one, etc). However, if you have a wingman and both girls are having a good time things will go down a lot smoother. Since Rock is pretty solid with girls, we need to boost my game up so I can stick in there. The night begins.
I open a fatty. After a few minutes Rock comes in and one of the girls knows him. The friends come and take my girl away (easily). The other girl won’t join her friends and wants to talk to Rock, it was funny to see this go down.
Next is a 2 set that Rock opens. It goes like this; he spits his million (maybe billion) dollar mouthpiece while I stand there and get a few words in. However, I was not uncomfortable at all, I was just enjoying the interaction and chilling. I felt a decent connection with one girl. She was giving me good eye contact and playful taps even though I said very little. They go see their friends and tell us they will come back, they don’t come back.
We walk to the other side of the bar, Rock spots a cute 3 set; “I opened the last one, this ones on you”. I go up to one “Hey, I’m newstuff, blah blah, etc.”. She is giving me good eye contact while I’m doing “interview mode” mixed with a few dumb statements. Rock comes in after about 2 min and talks to the other two. We talk for another 5 min, then they are about to leave. I meet the cute blonde of the group, talk for about 2 min, and can tell we have some good chemistry. They go to leave, I don’t do anything. Rock is like “you guys are cool, lets hang out again”. The cute blond gives him her number. I shake/hold her hand as she leaves. She is like “get my number from him”. Decent interaction with a solid number close.
Rock hits up another set, but this is pretty much the end of our night.
Bottom Line: I was very uncomfortable at the beginning of the night and had no idea how to “be chill and socialize”. Being in set with Rock, feeling his energy, and trying a few things myself I realized “being chill and socializing” is awesome. After we number closed the 3 set of girls, I was in state. It was a unique state though, it was the searing coal as opposed to the raging brush fire. I had not experience this before. When this happened my vibe was “yea we’re just talking, but we both know this is going to end in sex”. This is opposed to the raging brush fire vibe, which is more like “hey!, here I am. The next guy trying to hit on you. I don’t care. I’m going to try and push this interaction”. Searing coal = calm, focused intent. Brush fire = hyped up, somewhat fearless actions, chaotic intent.
It’s easier to keep the conversation going in the low key spots because there aren’t as many distractions.
*I’m hitting up Chicago this weekend, it’s going to be sweet.
*Ugh, this was a long post.
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You did good bro. You adjusted to a new environment pretty quickly and in the end you got a solid number from a pretty cute girl. I think its important to work both downtown loud clubs and the chill places in Lakewood, otherwise you can become dependent on only talking to girls in loud crazy places. The Lakewood scene is a good place to work on your verbals, vibing, and there are still loud dance areas and couches to pull girls to make out. I have made out and pulled girls home for sex from both of those bars and my gut tells me you will too. Just keep hitting things up and progressing forward. This is the first field report I have ever read where I can see what my game looks like to somebody else, its pretty interesting lol. By the time Summer rolls around and the bars get even better me and you are going to have this wingman shit down to a science. I'll be honest, you are way fucking better at just going right the fuck in and taking with no hesitation than I am. That says allot. Also congrats to me Saturday for actually not drinking my shot of shitty whiskey at the start of the night lol. I'm going down to Ohio University to game on some college girls, should be an adventure. Good luck in Chicago, can't wait to read more reports of your adventures and hear from you when you get back. Oh btw I'm gonna quote your field reports in my thread since I'm too lazy to write my own right now lol.
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Whatever I thought might hold me back, I avoided. I crossed girls off my list, except as tools for my sexual needs." - From the 1977 autobiography "Arnold: The Education of a Bodybuilder" by Arnold Schwarzenegger
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If you are a Newb READ THIS FIRST, THEN GO OUT:
http://www.rsdnation.com/node/170650
Whatever I thought might hold me back, I avoided. I crossed girls off my list, except as tools for my sexual needs." - From the 1977 autobiography "Arnold: The Education of a Bodybuilder" by Arnold Schwarzenegger
Feb 16, 2012
Was in Naperville for the week. Decided to check out a local nightclub that was part of a shopping mall. There were only like 8 cars in the parking lot and they wanted a $5 cover. End of night.
Feb 17, 2012
Drive into downtown Chicago. As I’m driving I get lost and spend like 1hr and about $10 in tolls getting back on track. As I leave the parking lot I’m hit by a wave of shivers from the cold and being nervous. I literally was not able to approach as I walked to the bars. It’s like my approach anxiety was multiplied by 100. Very weird. I get into Social 25, a live band is playing, I rationalize I don’t like the crowd and leave. Head over to Powerhouse, as I walk up the stairs I know I’m going to approach the first set I see, no more pussying around. I approach a 3 set, the one I open hooks hard (eyes pop). While I open one of the friends is leaving, my girl doesn’t leave and stays talking with me. I’m talking for a few more seconds then a different friend comes up, she introduces me to her. They go to get drinks, I puss out and say I’ll see them around. I think I approach 2 other sets but half assed. End of night.
Was in Naperville for the week. Decided to check out a local nightclub that was part of a shopping mall. There were only like 8 cars in the parking lot and they wanted a $5 cover. End of night.
Feb 17, 2012
Drive into downtown Chicago. As I’m driving I get lost and spend like 1hr and about $10 in tolls getting back on track. As I leave the parking lot I’m hit by a wave of shivers from the cold and being nervous. I literally was not able to approach as I walked to the bars. It’s like my approach anxiety was multiplied by 100. Very weird. I get into Social 25, a live band is playing, I rationalize I don’t like the crowd and leave. Head over to Powerhouse, as I walk up the stairs I know I’m going to approach the first set I see, no more pussying around. I approach a 3 set, the one I open hooks hard (eyes pop). While I open one of the friends is leaving, my girl doesn’t leave and stays talking with me. I’m talking for a few more seconds then a different friend comes up, she introduces me to her. They go to get drinks, I puss out and say I’ll see them around. I think I approach 2 other sets but half assed. End of night.
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Progress Journal: www.rsdnation.com/node/211535/forum
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Progress Journal: www.rsdnation.com/node/211535/forum
Feb 18, 2012
Downtown Chicago again, but 2 of my friends who’ve never done pick-up decide to try it out. It was awesome, fun, and funny. Long story short; it was weird to go crazy, hit things up hard, and at the same time help push/coach these guys. Going between logical and illogical doesn’t work for me. Props to the RSD instructors. Those guys head out around 1am, but I must continue and don’t head back until 3am. Tried to meet up with dzdevil at Social 25 but he already left. I have a state crash after those guys leave and decide to just accept that shit. So I stand around Social 25 for like 10 minutes not trying to hype myself up, just staying calm and chill. I become calm and chill. I sporadically hit up sets during the 1.5 hours I’m there. I started the night out going pretty crazy, then I shifted into calm and relaxed state (like 180 degree shift in state). Interesting. Probably approached 25-30 girls. I pry approached about 75% of the possible sets. One day soon (hopefully while I’m in Chicago were there are hundreds of opportunities) I’m going to literally approach everything. It will be tight.
Some Good Sets:
While I’m with my 2 friends (more hyper/vibrant state):
Get to the bar around 10 and am waiting for my friend. There is a girl moving around (lol, now quite dancing, but almost), I open and she hooks pretty good. I can somewhat sense this girl is looking for dick. I don’t push it and meet up with my friends. At the end of the night (1am) I see her leaving and stop her. She tells me she’s leaving, I tell her to come with us. She'll miss her train, blah blah. Basically she was telling me I had to take the responsibility off her, but I didn’t. Fail. (you're at a bar alone, don't live in the city. --> you want dick)
Approach a solid 9, tell her she is cute. She is trying to meet up with her friends, I tell her to come with us. She says she can’t but that I’m a real cool guy. It sounded genuine to me, but maybe that’s the chode in me.
I tell one of my friends you can say anything to a chick. I walk up;
o Me: hey what’s up
o Her: hi
o Me: do you know what extenze is?
o Her: …. (lol, her face says she does but she doesn’t say anything)
o Me: my mom bought me extenze and I’ve been taking it for the past month. I have a really big dick.
o Her: My husbands dick is bigger
o Me: dang, he must have been taking extenze for like 2 months then.
o Her:….
o Me: nah, I’m just kidding. I’m newstuff
We talk about normal stuff for another minute then I bounce because “I must help my friends out”.
While my friend opened a 2 set I hit the other. She tells me she is married. I joke around get a bit physical (spin, handshakes). Joke around some more, bring her in close, turn her around and she starts grinding. My other friend is nearby and I tell him to switch with me and start dancing with her cause it would be funny. Unfortunately he doesn’t. I probably could have at least gotten a make out with this girl. Haha “COULD HAVE”… chode.
I pull a girl in, she grinds on me. I am not that attracted. I steal her glow band, she helps me put it on my wrist. I am about to go for the make out (hand on her neck) but she turns away.
Some Good Sets:
Solo (relaxed, calm state) @ Social 25:
I am leaning on a pillar. A girl whose friends are at the bar walks over and deliberately stands next to me (lol, even I can tell it was deliberate). I chat with her a bit, not feeling the need to speak fast or say anything “crazy”. We chat for another 5 minutes, laugh a few times. Her friends come in and are trying to make her do a shot. I decide not to deal with the friends and that I’ll find another girl (it made sense at the moment, but I know I was really pussing out).
o Side Note: these girls were here from Milwaukee, WI celebrating a birthday and probably knew no one at this bar. Lets think about this: random girl from a different city stands next to you (a random guy with a glow band). You are just vibing, etc. Yeah, this girl wants dick more than I want pussy!
This girl tries to steal my glow band as I walk by, literally tries to rip it off. She disconnects the connector, I give her a “wtf, you’re a retard” look. This fends her of real nicely. I see a damn cute girl (by my standards) tap her on the shoulder to turn her around. Tell her to help me put the glow band back on. She does. I say thanks and leave… (big time pussy on this one).
Open a Asian girl sitting by herself. We are just vibing, laugh a few times. I eject after a few minutes to preserve my “cool” status.
Although I felt pretty chill I noticed I was taking it a bit too far. I would say some stuff then not even try and keep the conversation going. Like sometimes I would just stand there looking at the girl, then maybe say a few words, look at her, then leave. Strange.
Downtown Chicago again, but 2 of my friends who’ve never done pick-up decide to try it out. It was awesome, fun, and funny. Long story short; it was weird to go crazy, hit things up hard, and at the same time help push/coach these guys. Going between logical and illogical doesn’t work for me. Props to the RSD instructors. Those guys head out around 1am, but I must continue and don’t head back until 3am. Tried to meet up with dzdevil at Social 25 but he already left. I have a state crash after those guys leave and decide to just accept that shit. So I stand around Social 25 for like 10 minutes not trying to hype myself up, just staying calm and chill. I become calm and chill. I sporadically hit up sets during the 1.5 hours I’m there. I started the night out going pretty crazy, then I shifted into calm and relaxed state (like 180 degree shift in state). Interesting. Probably approached 25-30 girls. I pry approached about 75% of the possible sets. One day soon (hopefully while I’m in Chicago were there are hundreds of opportunities) I’m going to literally approach everything. It will be tight.
Some Good Sets:
While I’m with my 2 friends (more hyper/vibrant state):
Get to the bar around 10 and am waiting for my friend. There is a girl moving around (lol, now quite dancing, but almost), I open and she hooks pretty good. I can somewhat sense this girl is looking for dick. I don’t push it and meet up with my friends. At the end of the night (1am) I see her leaving and stop her. She tells me she’s leaving, I tell her to come with us. She'll miss her train, blah blah. Basically she was telling me I had to take the responsibility off her, but I didn’t. Fail. (you're at a bar alone, don't live in the city. --> you want dick)
Approach a solid 9, tell her she is cute. She is trying to meet up with her friends, I tell her to come with us. She says she can’t but that I’m a real cool guy. It sounded genuine to me, but maybe that’s the chode in me.
I tell one of my friends you can say anything to a chick. I walk up;
o Me: hey what’s up
o Her: hi
o Me: do you know what extenze is?
o Her: …. (lol, her face says she does but she doesn’t say anything)
o Me: my mom bought me extenze and I’ve been taking it for the past month. I have a really big dick.
o Her: My husbands dick is bigger
o Me: dang, he must have been taking extenze for like 2 months then.
o Her:….
o Me: nah, I’m just kidding. I’m newstuff
We talk about normal stuff for another minute then I bounce because “I must help my friends out”.
While my friend opened a 2 set I hit the other. She tells me she is married. I joke around get a bit physical (spin, handshakes). Joke around some more, bring her in close, turn her around and she starts grinding. My other friend is nearby and I tell him to switch with me and start dancing with her cause it would be funny. Unfortunately he doesn’t. I probably could have at least gotten a make out with this girl. Haha “COULD HAVE”… chode.
I pull a girl in, she grinds on me. I am not that attracted. I steal her glow band, she helps me put it on my wrist. I am about to go for the make out (hand on her neck) but she turns away.
Some Good Sets:
Solo (relaxed, calm state) @ Social 25:
I am leaning on a pillar. A girl whose friends are at the bar walks over and deliberately stands next to me (lol, even I can tell it was deliberate). I chat with her a bit, not feeling the need to speak fast or say anything “crazy”. We chat for another 5 minutes, laugh a few times. Her friends come in and are trying to make her do a shot. I decide not to deal with the friends and that I’ll find another girl (it made sense at the moment, but I know I was really pussing out).
o Side Note: these girls were here from Milwaukee, WI celebrating a birthday and probably knew no one at this bar. Lets think about this: random girl from a different city stands next to you (a random guy with a glow band). You are just vibing, etc. Yeah, this girl wants dick more than I want pussy!
This girl tries to steal my glow band as I walk by, literally tries to rip it off. She disconnects the connector, I give her a “wtf, you’re a retard” look. This fends her of real nicely. I see a damn cute girl (by my standards) tap her on the shoulder to turn her around. Tell her to help me put the glow band back on. She does. I say thanks and leave… (big time pussy on this one).
Open a Asian girl sitting by herself. We are just vibing, laugh a few times. I eject after a few minutes to preserve my “cool” status.
Although I felt pretty chill I noticed I was taking it a bit too far. I would say some stuff then not even try and keep the conversation going. Like sometimes I would just stand there looking at the girl, then maybe say a few words, look at her, then leave. Strange.
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1st 30 day challenge : http://www.rsdnation.com/node/208083/forum
2nd BC (Jun 14, 2012): www.rsdnation.com/node/232206/forum
Progress Journal: www.rsdnation.com/node/211535/forum
1st 30 day challenge : http://www.rsdnation.com/node/208083/forum
2nd BC (Jun 14, 2012): www.rsdnation.com/node/232206/forum
Progress Journal: www.rsdnation.com/node/211535/forum
Fri, Feb 23, 2012
Rock called up and said he has been getting a ton of dates set up through okcupid.com. He was meeting up with a bartender chick (and her friend) tonight and wanted me to head with him. I pick him up at and chill with him and his dad for a bit. Both icy motherfuckers, haha no surprise here. Get to the bar around 11pm. Meet the two girls. Unfortunately Rock’s girl was not as hot as her friend. Long story short; we talk to each of our girls for about an hour and half, then THE GIRLS chose another bar to check out. We get to the bar and a bunch of their friends are there. We chill with them for about another 40 minutes and can tell things aren’t going anywhere. We weren’t interacting with them as much and honestly were talking more to each other (because things were going nowhere). At the end of the night they “go to the bathroom”, come back and tell us they are heading home. End of night, around 2am.
*My perspective of the night.
When I first met the friend I thought I’d just be chill and not mess things up for Rock. This resulted in a total “friend to friend” interaction. Yea most of the time I was saying stuff that was just on my mind, but it was more from a place of entertaining the girl. We got along fine, but after the first 30 minutes or so it felt like the “friends” frame had been solidified. At the one hour mark Rock and I let the girls decide the place to head next. Big mistake. We need to be leading the interaction. If they didn’t want to come with us fine, we would have gone into downtown and hit it up hard. We go to a spot with all their friends. Some chode friend comes over and joins our circle for the rest of the night. I can’t/don’t keep the girls attention at this new place, and the interaction deteriorates quickly.
Bottom Line: This night went nowhere but it was a tight learning experience for me. I was under the mindset “ok, she is her to meet up, this is definitely going to end in sex”. So what did I do? Just chat it up like a friend, no touching, getting sexual, etc. I was thinking that I didn’t have to get physical/sexual and things would work out great. Hell no. I now know that being a chode when interacting with a girl (regardless of the situation) will fail. No surprise here, it just needed to be reinforced.
ps - the "we're on a date" frame is shit. I'm all about the direct approach, putting my intentions up front.
Rock called up and said he has been getting a ton of dates set up through okcupid.com. He was meeting up with a bartender chick (and her friend) tonight and wanted me to head with him. I pick him up at and chill with him and his dad for a bit. Both icy motherfuckers, haha no surprise here. Get to the bar around 11pm. Meet the two girls. Unfortunately Rock’s girl was not as hot as her friend. Long story short; we talk to each of our girls for about an hour and half, then THE GIRLS chose another bar to check out. We get to the bar and a bunch of their friends are there. We chill with them for about another 40 minutes and can tell things aren’t going anywhere. We weren’t interacting with them as much and honestly were talking more to each other (because things were going nowhere). At the end of the night they “go to the bathroom”, come back and tell us they are heading home. End of night, around 2am.
*My perspective of the night.
When I first met the friend I thought I’d just be chill and not mess things up for Rock. This resulted in a total “friend to friend” interaction. Yea most of the time I was saying stuff that was just on my mind, but it was more from a place of entertaining the girl. We got along fine, but after the first 30 minutes or so it felt like the “friends” frame had been solidified. At the one hour mark Rock and I let the girls decide the place to head next. Big mistake. We need to be leading the interaction. If they didn’t want to come with us fine, we would have gone into downtown and hit it up hard. We go to a spot with all their friends. Some chode friend comes over and joins our circle for the rest of the night. I can’t/don’t keep the girls attention at this new place, and the interaction deteriorates quickly.
Bottom Line: This night went nowhere but it was a tight learning experience for me. I was under the mindset “ok, she is her to meet up, this is definitely going to end in sex”. So what did I do? Just chat it up like a friend, no touching, getting sexual, etc. I was thinking that I didn’t have to get physical/sexual and things would work out great. Hell no. I now know that being a chode when interacting with a girl (regardless of the situation) will fail. No surprise here, it just needed to be reinforced.
ps - the "we're on a date" frame is shit. I'm all about the direct approach, putting my intentions up front.
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1st 30 day challenge : http://www.rsdnation.com/node/208083/forum
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Progress Journal: www.rsdnation.com/node/211535/forum
1st 30 day challenge : http://www.rsdnation.com/node/208083/forum
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Progress Journal: www.rsdnation.com/node/211535/forum
newstuff18
Respected Member
Join Date: 06/29/2011 | Posts: 324
Once I started doing the 30 day challenge I didn’t see the point in posting my FRs. I felt doing them was just a waste of time because as long as I was going out and improving it’s all good. But just to document my progress I started posting them. After a couple of days I realized that posting somewhat held me accountable for my actions & offered a unique perspective, so I updated my posts everyday and paid close attention to the FR responses and postings of other members. Once the 30 day challenge was over I realized that I had become a bit obsessed with the RSD forums. I felt an unreasonable sense of encouragement when guys would post comments on my thread or doubt when I had few views on my thread. Yes, it was a weird attachment.
I attended the hotseat 2 in Chicago, had some good learning experiences, and meet some cool people. I am posting my progress to inspire guys, maybe get some feedback, and kept track my thoughts/notes/rants during this ordeal.
1st 30 day challenge : http://www.rsdnation.com/node/208083/forum
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Progress Journal: www.rsdnation.com/node/211535/forum