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A thread to end the "Looks Matter" debate?
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#11

zoom

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There is no need to really debate it.

Show a picture of a good looking dude and an ugly dude to 100 girls and se the results. If looks doesn't matter AT ALL then the selection of guys would be random. But we all know that the good looking guy will get the most votes.

Nobody can dispute this thus we conclude that if looks is the ONLY THING the girl can select from then the good looking dude has an edge.

However since 80%+ of a guys attraction value is in his behavior then the tables gets turned quickly when the girl is able to select based on those qualities.

You can illustrate it with leverage. Lets say Looks has an leverage of 1:1 and Behavior/game has 3:1.

Take a good looking dude and a ugly dude both starting with 0 game

Good looking dude = 0 game 1 looks = 1 total

Ugly dude = 0 Game 0 looks = 0 total

Now for every point you increase your looks you get 1 point in return. For every point you increase your "game" your get 3 total points. Now the good looking dude cuts his hair and gets even more good looking, however the ugly dude works on his game and improves 1 point there. Because of the leverage in game the ugly dude can quickly go past the good looking dude therefore average looking dudes like Tyler and Jeffy can most good looking dudes (although Jeffy with a mullet is handsome as fuck)

Good looking dude = 0 game, 2 looks = 2 total

Ugly dude = 3 game 0 looks = 3 total

For girls the inverse is true. A girl who gets a good boob-job will increase much more in attraction value compared to a girl who works on her personality.

Weak mentality = Needs to have a delusional belief that looks doesn't matter to even be able to take action, cant accept that the playing fields is not always equal. Since most of community guys are of this kind companies like RSD probably must cater to them and cant take a rational stand in the debate because these people will say "i KNEW IT, looks matter, Tyler said so" and thus they will loose customers.

Strong mentality = Recognizes and accepts the playing field and focuses on the most effective means to get ahead. Works on what he can and plays on his strengths.
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Sunny667

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zoom wrote:
There is no need to really debate it.

Show a picture of a good looking dude and an ugly dude to 100 girls and se the results. If looks doesn't matter AT ALL then the selection of guys would be random. But we all know that the good looking guy will get the most votes.

That is the problem, don't ever ask girls of anything
Every logical response of the girls are going to be based in a social-dependent situation.
in other words, every word they say are shit tests.

Ask 100 girls publicly if they want to fuck behind the dumpster after a 4 minute conversation? How many will say yes?

They want what WE want, when WE are dominant, WE will demand they want us the exactly way we are, because we are the best.

Don't ask 100 girls, plow them all with full inent and a ugly face and show me results.
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#13

Waywardson

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I think that looks to matter to a degree...good looking guys will get a lot of hand outs with women and the majority of the time the good looking guys also display the correct behaviors because they have a lot of positive reinforcement. But there are a lot of good looking guys that have no luck with women because they lack all confidence and personality. Also I think that height and gromming are more important than actually facial 'charmed' looks.
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#14

BloodmoneySWE

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Good point. Having great looks will reinforce the right reinforcements easier.

Even if they are not necassarily very "stereotypical alpha male" alot of good looking dudes have a smoothness and relaxed aura, are more comfortable around chicks because of being treated better growing up.

Sunny667,

They dont know what they want, but that dosent mean having AMAZING looks has no relevance in the real world. It does. Just not closely as much as chodes think, with the exception of some situations.
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Good luck with that buddy. :)
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The only thing that comes close to the amount of "do looks matter" threads are "let's end the do looks matter debate" threads. 
It will NEVER stop. Give up motherfuckers.
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#17

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who cares
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Tyler

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agentdoublej wrote:
 I know johnny had good intentions but this is just gonna turn into another run of the mill do looks matter debate.....smh.Rsd should find some fat ugly guy and train him to be a pimp and tape the whole process.That would looks matter debates once and for all.
Yeah there was this guy a few years ago who used to pimp it pretty hard with a 42 inch tummy.  He may have a few insights (and even proof.....) on whether or not it made any difference to his results.



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#19
Tyler

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zoom wrote:
Since most of community guys are of this kind companies like RSD probably must cater to them and cant take a rational stand in the debate because these people will say "i KNEW IT, looks matter, Tyler said so" and thus they will loose customers.
I hit the gym 4 days a week, eat healthy, dress fly as fuck (you guys who don't live in Hollywood won't recognize this because the fashion in the rest of the country is two years behind...), have contact lenses, cut off weird moles from my body, styled my hair to minimize the fact I'm going bald, take care of my skin, etc etc and etc.

I think everyone should handle their appearance and guys who don't ARE BEING LAME.

I ALSO think guys who don't read a lot of books are being lame, who don't contribute to society are being lame, and who don't do meditation are being lame.  Hell there's things that *I* am neglecting in my life and need to get on top of more, like learning about investing in the financial market -- so *I* am acting lame.  Regardless we can ALL pimp hot women if we learn to approach them confident as fuck, funny as a motherfucker, and with strong instincts on how to pull.

Looks are very helpful if you don't know game and relate to women as a "friend to a friend".  There's really nothing else going on that can get you laid if you're relating that way.  OTOH if you're relating the way we teach at RSD then it has no factor -- like literally none, to the point that if I'm 1% more "on point" than Julien the girls give me the attention, or vice versa.

That said, guys who are new should try to take care of their appearance to whatever extent they can, without worrying about it at all beyond that, because they don't know game yet and it will help them to fuck a few mid range girls and get their confidence up.  They should also do it because they will not get into good clubs.

OTOH I prefer guys just start doing approaches before worrying about their appearance because if they don't go out to cool venues they don't even know what looks good -- and will purchase the "DRAGON SHIRT" thinking it's "edgy and cool". :)

Then once they've started learning about the culture of "cool people" they'll have a better idea of how to dress and be motivated to fit into that crowd regardless.  The truth is that I can't tell people how to dress anyway because even in Orange County (35 minutes from LA) sagging loose jeans are cool, whereas in Hollywood without form fitting jeans you probably won't get let into the club.  People have to figure out what works based on where they live, the places they want to go to find the girls they want to meet, etc etc. :)

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#20
Doge~

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Hey don't be hating on the DRAGON SHIRT. I have a whole closet full of them, like Dug Funny.
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