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September 20th, 2014
A thread to end the "Looks Matter" debate?
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JohnnyCanada

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Join Date: 02/20/2011 | Posts: 670

So many times on the forum and in real life, the one topic that seems to distract everyone is the do looks matter? thing.

First of all, to all the guys that have issues with this and insist that looks DO matter, then would it be fair to say that you would be better off giving up and stop wasting your time learning about game, posting on the forum and asking for advice?
The instructors at RSD do not carry around magic wands they can wave over you to make you grow taller, lose weight, grow your hair, change your face, etc so if they can't make you look like what you think attracts girls, then why would you even want to learn from them?. The concepts and advice are obviously futile unless you have good genetics.
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champ

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WHATEVER GUY THAT'S INSECURE ABOUT HIS LOOKS SHOULD HIT THE GYM EVERYDAY,  EAT WELL, SKIN CARE, ETC. AND ON TOP OF THAT GO OUT AND LEARN TO BE GOOD WITH WOMEN.  THERE IS NOTHING TO GAIN BY FUCKING COMPLAINING ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME AND IT DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE TO COMPLAIN ANYMORE EITHER. I'M THINKING OF ERASING "COMPLAINING" FROM MY VOCABULARY N REALITY.  I USED TO WORK WITH A 5'2 GUY THAT WAS DOING RELATIVELY WELL WITH WOMEN WITHOUT BEING INTO PUA.   

THERE ARE NO FUCKING EXCUSES!!! I HOPE GOD HELPS YOU GUYS THAT ARE INSECURE ABOUT YOUR LOOKS. THERE IS SO MUCH YOU CAN DO TO LOOK YOUR BEST AND NOTHING STOPPING YOU FROM DOING IT.

I DON'T WANNA SOUND FUCKED UP OR HARSH AND DON'T TAKE THIS THE WRONG WAY BUT
GETTING LAID SHOULD BE EASY!!! AND IF U CAN'T GET LAID OR ARE A VIRGIN THEN YOU ARE IN THE RIGHT PLACE TO LEARN!! BOOKS, RSDNATION,RSD, HOTSEAT, ETC

STOP BEING INSECURE OR COMPLAINING! START IMPROVING YOURSELF INSIDE AND OUT AND GO OUT AND PARTY HAVE FUN WITH GIRLS. GET YOURSELF AND YOUR LIFE TOGETHER! I REPEAT GETTING LAID SHOULD BE EASY!! IT'S ALL HERE ON THE INTERNET!! Like Brad says "Use your head", "Think for yourself"!
GOOD LUCK YALL. 

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BloodmoneySWE

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Lol,

Girls are attracted to looks ALSO. Behaviour is just more important in 99 cases of a 100. If a guy is good looking its A BIT EASIER in field. If a guy is ugly its a BIT HARDER. If your a real troll, like a dwarf in a wheelchair with mental disabilities - its impossible to get layed. 

Looks is something that can help a guy, just like so many other things. Game works for the wast majority of dudes (err, well, looks is not the issue if a guy isnt getting results).

The end.
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zoom

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The problem is that you cant have a rational discussion about it in this community, because people are so emotional about this subject and tend to go to extremes.

If you show a picture of one good looking guy and one ugly guy to 100 girls i can promise you that the good looking dude will get almost all of the votes, so obviously if you have nothing else to go on looks is some kind of value.

HOWEVER looks is not the best evolutionary indicator of male value, because looks alone doesn't kill animals, build shelters, lead tribes, resourcefulness etc therefore looks in guys is quite low on the attraction scale, therefore someone with "game" can quite quickly smoke someone who only have "looks", because looks have very little leverage.

Just be thankful that you are men and have control over 80-90% of your attraction value, when girls are born with at stuck with 80-90% of their attraction value.

As a man you have NO excuse to not get good with girls since you have control over almost all of your attraction value.
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champ

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Yes. The PUA community is not about do X,Y,Z AND TADA!! YOU GET LAID!!!!  It's a "guide". You have to figure out what works for you by "interacting with girls" and internalizing (YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT INTERNALIZING MEANS= EXECUTING PUA/RSD PRINCIPLES WHEN BEING WITH GIRLS)   YOU HAVE TO FIGURE IT OUT SOME THINGS FOR YOURSELF for example if you're getting laid alot when you're lifting weights all the time then keep doing it. DUHHH!!  If you seddenly start getting laid alot after starting MMA classes then..... KEEP DOING IT!!!  DUHHHH!!! 

However one day you may stop taking the MMA classes,etc and you find yourself still getting laid because you've been going out and have gotten good at executing the RSD/PUA principles. YOU GOT THAT.  Success with women is complex and can take guys up to a year or more to get good.  If you put in the time then you will have the life you desire. THE MORE TIME N FOCUS YOU PUT IN THE BETTER! UP TO EACH N EVERYONE OF YOU. RSDNATION#1 Peace thumbs up
BloodmoneySWE wrote:
Lol,

Girls are attracted to looks ALSO. Behaviour is just more important in 99 cases of a 100. If a guy is good looking its A BIT EASIER in field. If a guy is ugly its a BIT HARDER. If your a real troll, like a dwarf in a wheelchair with mental disabilities - its impossible to get layed. 

Looks is something that can help a guy, just like so many other things. Game works for the wast majority of dudes (err, well, looks is not the issue if a guy isnt getting results).

The end.
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Johnny_Bravo

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Join Date: 12/20/2011 | Posts: 263

Why ending the looks matter debate? It is some of the most asked questions guys have. It will never go away.
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champ

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Nice one. I think we got some good responses so far. Good Luck yall.
zoom wrote:
The problem is that you cant have a rational discussion about it in this community, because people are some emotional about this subject and tend to go to extremes.

If you show a picture of one good looking guy and one ugly guy to 100 girls i can promise you that the good looking dude will get almost all of the votes, so obviously if you have nothing else to go on looks is some kind of value.

HOWEVER looks is not the best evolutionary indicator of male value, because looks alone doesn't kill animals, build shelters, lead tribes, resourcefulness etc therefore looks in guys is quite low on the attraction scale, therefore someone with "game" can quite quickly smoke someone who only have "looks", because looks have very little leverage.

Just be thankful that you are men and have control over 80-90% of your attraction value, when girls are born with at stuck with 80-90% of their attraction value.

As a man you have NO excuse to not get good with girls since you have control over almost all of your attraction value.

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"No one can be told what the matrix is you have to see it for yourself.....There is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path." "It is not enough to know. You must do" -Bruce Lee ;    "I do and I understand"- Confuscious DEPSL  FSMS   "Movement is life" RSDNathan AME"Before enlightenment, chop wood and carry water.After enlightenment,chop wood and carry water." Ancient Eastern Adage  [sp DBC"Everything is a learning experience"  "9 times out of 10 if you're not getting it's because of a logistical issue" MPUA Adam Lyons ESWMR "...the game is logistics" RSDBrad       "The guys that get humor. Learned it from books" -Jeffty AKA JLAIX    "Wear "playa threads" instead of nerd gear" Jeffy AKA Jlaix     "This isn't about girls. This is about building a life." -MPUA Mystery
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-destroyed

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... what's the point of this thread?

That looks don't matter? ...don't be ignorant. If you face is considered genetically beautiful, you will have A LOT easier in life. There are also STANDARTS in face for beauty.

BUT - that doesn't mean a shit. Either you START to believe that you CAN be successfully in life and with women (even if you are genetically plain ugly), or you DON'T. It's all up to you. But don't be an idiot, thinkin that "looks don't matter". It's only on a very deep level of understanding of life and social dynamics in gerneral that looks don't matter anymore.

YES. You CAN achieve WHATEVER YOU WANT in life while being ugly. BUT, it won't be easier if you allready have engraved deeply rooted issues because of your looks. And there's no question about that. Don't make yourself a fool. You're to smart for that shit. See what is there and from there act on it. Do whatever you can to achieve the life you want. Even if you're truely ugly.

There's no alternative.

Basically it's right for most of the guys to say: "Looks don't matter. Make yourself a better lookin guy by going to gym and dress nice", and all that shit. BUT, there are guys out there who have deeply rooted emotional/mental issues with their looks.
For some it's not just "I'm ugly, women don't like me for who I really 'am. - Hey... I think I should get a new haircut and go the the gym." and all that "I improve my self" shit.

For some guys it's more like: "YES. I' AM UGLY. But I don't care. I won't try to make myself a fool, believing that my genetically potential, measured by my looks, is worth a SHIT for women and people in gerneral. BUT I DON'T CARE! There's no alternative. So I have to do what I have to do. Without depending on feeling good looking."

For some guys it's absolutely out of their reality that they are "good lookin". Not because they are stupid or just too lazy to hit the gym and dress nice and all that shit, but because they aren't afraid to look truth in the eyes. They don't feel the NEED anymore to get ANYTHING out of good looks or whatever source of "good emotions". They just don't care this shit. They let the issues burn out themselves by not feeding them with the NEED to exchange those negative feeling with postive ones.
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yorro

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to understand these issues about looks or money guys here would have to look at the big picture of attraction instead of just cold approach (gaming). but since this is the forum that is focused on building the skillset then it's understandable that other factors are being ignored.

owen purposefully ignores these other factors in order to hammer it down to lost guys that to meet and sleep with a girl all you need is the skillset and nothing more. and that is true.

however if we talked about bigger picture (lifestyle) then more sources of status would be discussed.
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BloodmoneySWE

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Zoom,

Very good post. Its important to emphazise that attraction for girls is not as STATIC as for guys.

Being good looking dosent mean a guy is attractive.
Being ugly dosent mean a guy is unattractive.

Looks should be viewed as something that can HELP a guy, like so many other things but you dont NEED it to ATTRACT. HEALTH indicators are more important on women, since they give birth to children. But doesnt mean it aint a factor AT ALL on men. It can be an important form of value in individual cases, but generally:

1. A guys behaviour
2. How others treat him

are more important. Looks does and it doesnt matter, based on how you view it. CHARISMA, clothes and subcommunication, the way a guy carries himself is more fucking important than objective beauty in MOST cases.

If one dosent make a big deal about looks in ones REALITY it dosent become a big deal, like Tyler says. Alphas shape their reality and how much it matters in ones reality is up to oneself :]. The girl is invited into that reality....
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#10

agentdoublej

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Join Date: 10/27/2009 | Posts: 1607

 I know johnny had good intentions but this is just gonna turn into another run of the mill do looks matter debate.....smh.Rsd should find some fat ugly guy and train him to be a pimp and tape the whole process.That would destroy looks matter debates once and for all.
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