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December 3rd, 2016
Who (besides Jeff) gets it in mostly on the first date? Anyone remember specific things they changed?
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UtopiaFive

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Had a pretty solid date tonight.  But it was yet another "She appears to want my cum dripping out of her small sweet but for some reason is putting it off til next time" situation.  I don't like these cuz I don't want to drink more than necessary (going out every night...you gotta fucken minimize this shit or else health and work are gonna be issues...).  

Won't go into MY SITUATION quite yet here, but my "dates" are getting turned into "second dates" lately.  I have only gone on like dates w 3 girls in 2012 so far, 1 was tonight (no close), the other I fucked on the 2nd date, the third I *should* fuck if I get a 2nd date but she's outta the country for ~3 weeks now so I'll either forget or be pleasantly surprised when she's back in the USA lookin for dick.  

Regardless I'm sure it'll "autocorrect" as I feel this shit is getting good, but...anyone remember specific changes that got their standard "2 dates to sex" game to a more swift and efficient "fuck on the first date" type of game?  

What's your standard gameplan if its different than Jeff's basic operation?  

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 bro, I don't fuck ALL of them on the first date... I get about 80-85%. If they don't fuck first date, 9 times out of ten I don't ever see them again, because they are like FUCK THIS CHODE. But bottom line is I dont give a fuck. You only get one chance with me, and I dont play fuckin power games with pussy. PLEASE LOL DO YOU KNOW WHO THE FUCK I AM. They get one chance. When that's your mentality you go hard or go home and cry... Burn the boats man, whatever it takes
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How many times our you venue changing on the date if any? I feel this is important for first date sex creates that feeling of having know eachother longer.

Our you picking them up in a car or foot patrol? If your in the car you take away some of the responsibility Because it can just happen in the moment rather than be seen as calculated.

Our your physically escalating from the very beginning,I don't mean make out of the bat just touching? Builds comfort from the start.

I pretty much bang on the first date all the time like this... I'm not familiar with Jeffys method so forgive me if your doing all this already
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Yeah, I actually don't care.  Tonight I was "goodbye kiss" hard makeout thru her car window biting her titty groping her puss through the jeans, her telling me "Of course I'm fucken wet" but still a no go.  

I guess I used to have this "lets not get myself blown out" (lol yeah right) by not going 100% in the past...tonight this shit I did that I normally wouldn't have let myself do (e.g. this is gonna make her think I'm too much of a perv, lets hold back some)...I saw getting her all "Its really hot how damn aggressive you are on me" so I think I get that point, though maybe I'm still only like at 75%.  

I guess I'll just keep it up, see what happens on these future ones.  Got another tomorrow.  
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 bro, I don't fuck ALL of them on the first date... I get about 80-85%. If they don't fuck first date, 9 times out of ten I don't ever see them again, because they are like FUCK THIS CHODE. But bottom line is I dont give a fuck. You only get one chance with me, and I dont play fuckin power games with pussy. PLEASE LOL DO YOU KNOW WHO THE FUCK I AM. They get one chance. When that's your mentality you go hard or go home and cry... Burn the boats man, whatever it takes
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Tonight we bounced to a buncha bars.  Normally I'm near my place, which is a less happening hood, so its just "bar near my house, oh shit this music SUCKS, what are you into...oh you'll have to show me thsi shit on pandora later...change subject for 20 mins...oh lets go listen to better music..." and get them to my place...but then it'll be LMR.  

Do you come off scumbaggy or do you think they have some impression of "Oh he's boyfriend material" in their mind?  Maybe I have some "boyfriend material" vibe still hangin off even though its very sexual.  
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How many times our you venue changing on the date if any? I feel this is important for first date sex creates that feeling of having know eachother longer.

Our you picking them up in a car or foot patrol? If your in the car you take away some of the responsibility Because it can just happen in the moment rather than be seen as calculated.

Our your physically escalating from the very beginning,I don't mean make out of the bat just touching? Builds comfort from the start.

I pretty much bang on the first date all the time like this... I'm not familiar with Jeffys method so forgive me if your doing all this already
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 also focus on the STEPS, all this talk about "i feel this way" and "i FEEL that way" who gives a shit how you fucking FEEL. Focus on EXECUTION. Makeout by her car? Why the fuck isn't she back at your HOUSE? I get them to the house almost 100% of the time. Have her drop you off then get her inside, baby steps, this shit happens so smooth they dont even realize where the fuck they are. BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH MILLION DOLLAR MOUTHPIECE is blasting while I just orchestrate the whole damn thing STEP BY STEP. One foot in front of the other, execute. 
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 the tone of the interaction is COMFORTABLY RELENTLESS. On the one hand, this guy obviously will take his dick out, HOWEVER, he also DOES NOT GIVE ONE IOTA OF A FUCK EITHER. If she doesn't get with the program, he will escort her to the door and have another girl over within 20 minutes. This is the big distinction between the NEEDY DESPERATE guy and the forward but ultimately grounded in his own reality guy. Like in the hotseat video where the girl is all "you are a breath of fresh air amidst all the desperation" when by objective standards I could be considered the neediest motherfucker in the place, groping her fuckin ass etc. TOTALLY RELAXED AND IN CONTROL. LEAD LEAD LEAD. Give no air to anything other than that which moves the agenda forward. You have to have a special singular focus for this yet still make adjustments for the emotional wavelength of the interaction. There is a SENSE OF INEVITABILITY to the proceedings. You know its going to happen so it's no big deal. Why not now.
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K.  

Tonight was a weird situation, we did the date near her place and my work (on the peninsula, not up here in SF).  

I guess the fundamental error tonight: not taking note of the street she said she lived on when I spoke to her on phone 2-3 hours earlier.  If I'd recalled that I could've Google Maps'ed this shit and directed her to "my car" on "her street" and got out on her street and gone from there.  Dur hindsight remember if she tell me where the fuck she lives lol.  
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 also focus on the STEPS, all this talk about "i feel this way" and "i FEEL that way" who gives a shit how you fucking FEEL. Focus on EXECUTION. Makeout by her car? Why the fuck isn't she back at your HOUSE? I get them to the house almost 100% of the time. Have her drop you off then get her inside, baby steps, this shit happens so smooth they dont even realize where the fuck they are. BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH MILLION DOLLAR MOUTHPIECE is blasting while I just orchestrate the whole damn thing STEP BY STEP. One foot in front of the other, execute. 
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K yeah quite sure the needy energy is eradicated on these dates, this shit is what it is.  

The first half is pretty chill, laid back, getting them to talk a lot and getting them invested.  I let them talk, and then just repeat the last 1-3 words of what they say questioningly...every so often throw in some small "bit" that comes up, funny or just "part of me for real" stuff, but mostly let them talk and don't care.  Then I abruptly mouthrape, and it goes well.  Back off for a bit, then it becomes full on preview mode, make sure she's up against me and let her talk, occassoinal neck biting as she talks or interrupting with more mouthrape.  

But they still seem to "be at my mercy" yet still have some aire of "wanting to be proper" or...something like this.  Like the one tonight said something like "Hope you don't get mad that I'm not putting out" as if it were some fucken currency or some shit like this.  I said "I truly don't fucken care, but there is zero reason we wouldn't cuddle tonight" (I dunno if this is too innocent of a way of "sneaking in" but the "lets cuddle, only cuddling" thing HAS worked for me in the past, though maybe because back then it was ACTUALLY PLAUSIBLE that I was down to "just cuddle" whereas now its CLEARLY NOT.  Girl toniht said something like "We can't just cuddle cuz I don't trust myself" --> I ask "Don't you trust me?  If you say there's a limit RIGHT NOW we won't cross it.  I have really good self-control."  (Seems too logical, perhaps it is.)  She responds "I'm not sure" to that question.  

Probably that wasn't solid, my not dealing with that last bit with a rant or tirade type response right there that NOW seems more obvious/natural to me.  

But yeah, actually really DON'T care because its not like I'm not out every night, focusing on longer term shit, but I still want to do the shit necessary to make it happen, cuz, otherwise we're just wasting time if I let shit go needlessly.  I'm not RUSHED yet I'm still makin tha moves etc.  

I guess regardless tonight I couldn't be in control of the moves as I didn't know where she lived, and normally the shit comes up when in the bed.  

Maybe my soon to arrive zebra comforter will fix all of this.  

Any other shit come to mind?  Thanks for the repeated posts.  
jlaix wrote:
 the tone of the interaction is COMFORTABLY RELENTLESS. On the one hand, this guy obviously will take his dick out, HOWEVER, he also DOES NOT GIVE ONE IOTA OF A FUCK EITHER. If she doesn't get with the program, he will escort her to the door and have another girl over within 20 minutes. This is the big distinction between the NEEDY DESPERATE guy and the forward but ultimately grounded in his own reality guy. Like in the hotseat video where the girl is all "you are a breath of fresh air amidst all the desperation" when by objective standards I could be considered the neediest motherfucker in the place, groping her fuckin ass etc. TOTALLY RELAXED AND IN CONTROL. LEAD LEAD LEAD. Give no air to anything other than that which moves the agenda forward. You have to have a special singular focus for this yet still make adjustments for the emotional wavelength of the interaction. There is a SENSE OF INEVITABILITY to the proceedings. You know its going to happen so it's no big deal. Why not now.
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UtopiaFive wrote:
Tonight we bounced to a buncha bars.  Normally I'm near my place, which is a less happening hood, so its just "bar near my house, oh shit this music SUCKS, what are you into...oh you'll have to show me thsi shit on pandora later...change subject for 20 mins...oh lets go listen to better music..." and get them to my place...but then it'll be LMR.  

Do you come off scumbaggy or do you think they have some impression of "Oh he's boyfriend material" in their mind?  Maybe I have some "boyfriend material" vibe still hangin off even though its very sexual.  


William-h-bonney wrote:
How many times our you venue changing on the date if any? I feel this is important for first date sex creates that feeling of having know eachother longer.

Our you picking them up in a car or foot patrol? If your in the car you take away some of the responsibility Because it can just happen in the moment rather than be seen as calculated.

Our your physically escalating from the very beginning,I don't mean make out of the bat just touching? Builds comfort from the start.

I pretty much bang on the first date all the time like this... I'm not familiar with Jeffys method so forgive me if your doing all this already

like jeff said its about the execution. instead of dropping the music in here is lame and waiting 20mins before saying lets bounce. just tell her drink up were going and leave in 3mins instead of 20mins.
smash as much different scenery into the shortest amount of time.i would normally only speed 30mins in each bar before leading her somewere new... this builds compliance. have running jokes and role plays going on,kino and makeout.

being the one who is driving is alot more effective your in the drivers seat no pun! depending on your situation.
you can drive were you want when shes driving its more responsibility on her. you can just drive to your house get out the car and walk in she has little choice weather or not to follow you.
Also why dont you try fucking in the car its easier you dont have to deal with her thoughts towards coming to your place.

i dont think i come off as a scumbag or a boyfriend, im just a guy who is leading her
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OK I see more how you're doing a lot more leading than I am on these dates.  

Bunch of venues, telling her where to go, what to do, and just making her follow you, etc.  Got lots of smaller leading/dominance behaviors from your post out of this shit, thanks.  
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UtopiaFive wrote:
Tonight we bounced to a buncha bars.  Normally I'm near my place, which is a less happening hood, so its just "bar near my house, oh shit this music SUCKS, what are you into...oh you'll have to show me thsi shit on pandora later...change subject for 20 mins...oh lets go listen to better music..." and get them to my place...but then it'll be LMR.  

Do you come off scumbaggy or do you think they have some impression of "Oh he's boyfriend material" in their mind?  Maybe I have some "boyfriend material" vibe still hangin off even though its very sexual.  


William-h-bonney wrote:
How many times our you venue changing on the date if any? I feel this is important for first date sex creates that feeling of having know eachother longer.

Our you picking them up in a car or foot patrol? If your in the car you take away some of the responsibility Because it can just happen in the moment rather than be seen as calculated.

Our your physically escalating from the very beginning,I don't mean make out of the bat just touching? Builds comfort from the start.

I pretty much bang on the first date all the time like this... I'm not familiar with Jeffys method so forgive me if your doing all this already

like jeff said its about the execution. instead of dropping the music in here is lame and waiting 20mins before saying lets bounce. just tell her drink up were going and leave in 3mins instead of 20mins.
smash as much different scenery into the shortest amount of time.i would normally only speed 30mins in each bar before leading her somewere new... this builds compliance. have running jokes and role plays going on,kino and makeout.

being the one who is driving is alot more effective your in the drivers seat no pun! depending on your situation.
you can drive were you want when shes driving its more responsibility on her. you can just drive to your house get out the car and walk in she has little choice weather or not to follow you.
Also why dont you try fucking in the car its easier you dont have to deal with her thoughts towards coming to your place.

i dont think i come off as a scumbag or a boyfriend, im just a guy who is leading her
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