THE FORUMS
Hey old buddy... glad to hear you're getting out of you slump again now, but I still wanted to weigh in.
It's been a while since I read your diary. Coming back to this now, let me say: it's a different world now.
Now I see words like "numbers" and "D2." Just a few weeks ago these words were not present. You're at a different level. Yes you may have a ways to go, but you're at another level.
You're working now to calibrate D2s. That takes a little longer than calibrating approaches because you get less of them overall. But in time it will happen. And as the higher parts of the "funnel" get more aligned you'll just get more and more. You may hit a similar snag once you start getting girls back into your room. Again, think the funnel.
I was reminded about this Daygame video where and Yosha talk about progressively working through sticking points: youtube.com/watch?v=ZHl1yM2ULaI
ALso -- I'd second what pynchon said: try hitting a night game venue and try out your new skills on girls who are there to get laid. Might be interesting at the least.
You continue to be an inspiration to me man, keep it up.
Thanks Loyd - when are you transferring your diary over here? I recommend it -this place is full of action -too many keyboard jockeys at our old forum!It's been a while since I read your diary. Coming back to this now, let me say: it's a different world now.
Now I see words like "numbers" and "D2." Just a few weeks ago these words were not present. You're at a different level. Yes you may have a ways to go, but you're at another level.
You're working now to calibrate D2s. That takes a little longer than calibrating approaches because you get less of them overall. But in time it will happen. And as the higher parts of the "funnel" get more aligned you'll just get more and more. You may hit a similar snag once you start getting girls back into your room. Again, think the funnel.
I was reminded about this Daygame video where and Yosha talk about progressively working through sticking points: youtube.com/watch?v=ZHl1yM2ULaI
ALso -- I'd second what pynchon said: try hitting a night game venue and try out your new skills on girls who are there to get laid. Might be interesting at the least.
You continue to be an inspiration to me man, keep it up.
Also, you make a very good point about D2's and phone numbers. I only had my first D2 since daygame started (indeed in a long time generally) 3 weeks ago, so yeah I am making progress. Are you dabbling in nightgame too? Maybe I should try again.......I'll watch that video later too cheers.
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Day 81 - February 11 2012
My football match was cancelled again today due to the weather. I only did 6 openers - a bit annoying as I was in town for 2 hours.
Escalation wise I had one good set. Yet another girl who I get on with who has a long term boyfriend. She even had the bloody Valentines card she’d just bought him with her. Anyway we exchanged numbers.
It was interesting. During our conversation she mentioned she’d been seeing him 2 years, and was also in first year uni. I said something along the lines of ‘what are you doing - your young at uni you should be out enjoying yourself/meeting new guys, not shacked up with the same guy!’ She acknowledged this is a fair point. Also mentioned her parents weren't keen on her boyfriend - iv a feeling iv a better chance with this girl then other girls with BF’s who give me their numbers.
I also seen the last girl I fucked ( a LONG time ago) in town earlier - hand in hand with her boyfriend. This girl was keen on us being an item back then .To be fair I never mislead her, she just assumed just because I banged her this was what i wanted.
Today I also accidentally reopened another girl today I had opened before. However I couldn't even remember anything - I just recognised her face once I got in front of her. Its inevitable its going to happen more and more......
I know - whatever the status of the boyfriend: be it, fiance, long-term boyfriend, gay window-shopping buddy, a puppy dog orbitor, it still is a right royal pain in the arse when you get this objection. Okay, if the guy is Di Caprio, fair enough. However, he usually turns out to be some fuckwit who doesn't know his arse from his elbow.
It never fails to surprize me how when you see a girl with an arse the size of a small African country, teeth like piano keys, dressed like she's just been out shoplifting and smelling like fish that's five days old, SHE is the one that is always pushing a pram. Who the fuck fucked these girls? How come these girls aren't single? Well, we know, don't we: a man will fuck just about anything, won't he? Maybe the cool ones, won't. But the cool guys striding the earth these days are well in the minority of the male population.
I know hundreds of girls - of all ages and levels of attractiveness, and I can only think of two that are single. I know you should try to circumnavigate these objections and plow, however if you're the type of guy who doesn't want to fuck up a relationship and doesn't want the drama of seeing a girl with a boyfriend, this can be as frustrating as hell.
Whatever happened to the girl that you picked up at football who was waiting for her bf? Did she end up cooking you a meal? With Valentines Day coming up, it might be an idea to send a cutesy Valentines messasge to every girl in your phone and see who bites.
I'm annoyed ;p
Its funny - in a way im actually starting to feel SORRY for girls who have boyfriends. Granted some will have guys they are genuinely really into and are happy etc. but many are going to be gay window-shopping buddy, a puppy dog orbitor etc. Im not saying they should be fucking me (of course I want them to) but unless the relationship is really fun/going somewhere etc they should be having fun meeting new people! It never fails to surprize me how when you see a girl with an arse the size of a small African country, teeth like piano keys, dressed like she's just been out shoplifting and smelling like fish that's five days old, SHE is the one that is always pushing a pram. Who the fuck fucked these girls? How come these girls aren't single? Well, we know, don't we: a man will fuck just about anything, won't he? Maybe the cool ones, won't. But the cool guys striding the earth these days are well in the minority of the male population.
I know hundreds of girls - of all ages and levels of attractiveness, and I can only think of two that are single. I know you should try to circumnavigate these objections and plow, however if you're the type of guy who doesn't want to fuck up a relationship and doesn't want the drama of seeing a girl with a boyfriend, this can be as frustrating as hell.
Whatever happened to the girl that you picked up at football who was waiting for her bf? Did she end up cooking you a meal? With Valentines Day coming up, it might be an idea to send a cutesy Valentines messasge to every girl in your phone and see who bites.
I'm annoyed ;p
I suppose Im guilty of doing the same thing. In me early 20's I had a couple of relationships that although fun at the start I should have gotten out of sooner than I did. Its funny this whole game thing has got my questioning kids/marrigage etc. Part of me does want kids at some stage I think. But the idea of shacking up with some girl for the rest of my live just appals me at the minute.
By the way I watched Shame yesterday as you suggested. I think watching this has further my thinking above!
On the Miss Football Match front. Nothing. I text her about a week after our D2 re her cooking dinner and she didnt reply. I rang and left her a voicemail about a week later - didnt reply to that either. That was about two weeks ago. Note sure on my next step! Yeah re the valentines idea I'll try that.
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Day 82 - February 12 2012
I only did two sets today. Bit annoying as it was a Sunday and I had more time. Took me ages to open again. One of the sets I thought was hooking - but despite clearly having the time to instant date she wouldn't. Further shes only in the country for another few days. She wanted me to meet up with her and her friend later that night. Six weeks ago I probably would have agreed to this, but I said fuck that.
If I meet up with both her and her friend too im not going to bang her. Simple. So I told her instant date or im walking away. She wasnt up for it, so I walked off. I felt good.
I also went back to visit a girl I opened about 6 weeks ago. Shes really fun and friendly - I opened in the street and she told me the name of the shop she worked. So I went to see her today.
Annoying - shes one of the funnest girls Iv met since I started. I think she does like me, but she said she isn't splitting up with her boyfriend anytime soon.
Anyway at least I tried again.
Day 83 - February 13 2012
Finally another girl WITHOUT a boyfriend
Pretty good day. Didnt start off too well though. First set I opened I had already opened before. But I had absolutely no memory of her. Guessing she didnt stop before so hence I couldnt remember her.
I really pissed of a girl today which was funny.
I was in a supermarket and this cute little girl walks by. I said Hi - she looks at me weird, then walks off. She turns around just before she goes over to the next aisle. I was still looking at her.
Fuck that I thought. It wasnt my intention - but she ended up coming behind my near the checkouts. So I said oh its the cute girl that ignored me earlier. This time she smiles sweetly and says sorry.
Sensing possibility I wait for her at the doors after getting my shopping. She seemed friendly. However she sees me and takes a different door! So I ran after her and tried again. She turns round and says stop following me - like really angry and storms off. Sweet smile gone! Its funny - when this kind of shit happens now I like it more -because it makes opening more sets FAR easier.
Coincidentally the next set I opened - Miss Drama Student was the first nice girl iv spoken to and phone number got in nearly two weeks that didnt claim to have a boyfriend.
After exiting the set I thought I might have messed up a bit. I was really direct and confident, and she was so suspicious. She was nice - but really suspicious of me. Even accused me of being manipulative etc when I had answers for all the shit she was throwing at me. Wouldnt even hug me!
Surprisingly we’ve texted a few times during the past few hours -now shes all apologetic saying I caught her off guard and asking me stuff. So possibilities perhaps.
Not opening quick enough is still killing my game though. Ive said this before. I did 7 sets today -but I was in town for longer than my usual 1 hour on a weekday.
Tomorrow is Valentines day so opening should be something a little different to normal. We’ll see.
Finally another girl WITHOUT a boyfriend
Pretty good day. Didnt start off too well though. First set I opened I had already opened before. But I had absolutely no memory of her. Guessing she didnt stop before so hence I couldnt remember her.
I really pissed of a girl today which was funny.
I was in a supermarket and this cute little girl walks by. I said Hi - she looks at me weird, then walks off. She turns around just before she goes over to the next aisle. I was still looking at her.
Fuck that I thought. It wasnt my intention - but she ended up coming behind my near the checkouts. So I said oh its the cute girl that ignored me earlier. This time she smiles sweetly and says sorry.
Sensing possibility I wait for her at the doors after getting my shopping. She seemed friendly. However she sees me and takes a different door! So I ran after her and tried again. She turns round and says stop following me - like really angry and storms off. Sweet smile gone! Its funny - when this kind of shit happens now I like it more -because it makes opening more sets FAR easier.
Coincidentally the next set I opened - Miss Drama Student was the first nice girl iv spoken to and phone number got in nearly two weeks that didnt claim to have a boyfriend.
After exiting the set I thought I might have messed up a bit. I was really direct and confident, and she was so suspicious. She was nice - but really suspicious of me. Even accused me of being manipulative etc when I had answers for all the shit she was throwing at me. Wouldnt even hug me!
Surprisingly we’ve texted a few times during the past few hours -now shes all apologetic saying I caught her off guard and asking me stuff. So possibilities perhaps.
Not opening quick enough is still killing my game though. Ive said this before. I did 7 sets today -but I was in town for longer than my usual 1 hour on a weekday.
Tomorrow is Valentines day so opening should be something a little different to normal. We’ll see.
She wanted me to meet up with her and her friend later that night. Six weeks ago I probably would have agreed to this, but I said fuck that.
If I meet up with both her and her friend too im not going to bang her. Simple. So I told her instant date or im walking away. She wasnt up for it, so I walked off. I felt good.
Whoa dude not so hasty, if she's worth it and you you don't have other plans that evening go explore that and see what happens. If you came across as totally awesome and her friend wanted this girl to hook up with an awesome guy on her last night in the country the situation could benefit you. Also if the other girl comprehensively cockblocks you, make sure you've picked a fun busy venue and go hit up other people and see what happens. Possibilities create other possibilities, don't cut down the tree if you haven't explored the branches.If I meet up with both her and her friend too im not going to bang her. Simple. So I told her instant date or im walking away. She wasnt up for it, so I walked off. I felt good.
Although in your current mindset thinking 'Im not going to bang her' will mean exactly that. It doesn't have to be that way.
I wonder if you're seeing this in a too regimented way, and at worst coming off as a weird loner guy chasing girls round supermarkets on his lunch break. You're putting in a heap of effort here, I think you should divert some of this focus and drive into a broader ultimate goal of establishing a cooler social life were you meet loads more people some of which will unavoiadably be hot girls who aren't on the High Street when you're out doing your lunchtime approach shizzle.
At present it sounds like you're just channeling energy into a limited daygame environment where tangible results are way down the road. I also wonder if you should be trying to stick your tongue down girls throats at 10:48pm instead, just to see how these transferable skills you've been sharpening will work when it's late and girls consciously or subconsciously are wanting cock.
If you're still not keen on hitting night venues due to the years of past chodery in bars you mentioned (I've been there, I understand), try evening street game as a stepping stone?
BTW where are you in the UK?
@pynchon
Yeah in hindsight maybe I should have taken her up on the drink with her friend. I totally hadnt thought of hitting
up the venue if the other girl would have cockblocked or the first girl wasnt actually interested.
On the subject of putting more effort into having a cooler social life. I do see what your saying, but iv tried to
branch out before doing various things with meeting women in mind. Iv found that this takes far longer and I meet
far fewer women than if I spend 1 hour a day walking the streets. To be honest my only really passions at the
minute are work and gaming. I play a lot of football, but missed most of the first half of the season through
injury, and since iv come back havent really been as into it as I normally am.
I totally hear you about the 10:48pm idea though. For a start im not arranging anymore D2's unless its in the evening - unless there is some amazing reason I cant.
But yeah -the whole nightgame thing is something iv been thinking about more the past week. I mean it is mainly what most people do and it is where the single women can be found easily. Im in Bristol by the way
@Lux
'you've passed her the ball, it's up to her then to decide whether she wants to curl it into the top corner or trip over her bootlaces.'
Hhahaa quality. Miss Drama Student seems quite keen funnily enough now. She just text me wanting coffee on Thursday afternoon - I suggested Thursday evening instead - going with my evening D2 tactic from now on.
Yeah in hindsight maybe I should have taken her up on the drink with her friend. I totally hadnt thought of hitting
up the venue if the other girl would have cockblocked or the first girl wasnt actually interested.
On the subject of putting more effort into having a cooler social life. I do see what your saying, but iv tried to
branch out before doing various things with meeting women in mind. Iv found that this takes far longer and I meet
far fewer women than if I spend 1 hour a day walking the streets. To be honest my only really passions at the
minute are work and gaming. I play a lot of football, but missed most of the first half of the season through
injury, and since iv come back havent really been as into it as I normally am.
I totally hear you about the 10:48pm idea though. For a start im not arranging anymore D2's unless its in the evening - unless there is some amazing reason I cant.
But yeah -the whole nightgame thing is something iv been thinking about more the past week. I mean it is mainly what most people do and it is where the single women can be found easily. Im in Bristol by the way
@Lux
'you've passed her the ball, it's up to her then to decide whether she wants to curl it into the top corner or trip over her bootlaces.'
Hhahaa quality. Miss Drama Student seems quite keen funnily enough now. She just text me wanting coffee on Thursday afternoon - I suggested Thursday evening instead - going with my evening D2 tactic from now on.
Good thing you didn't give up when frustrated my man..
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I totally get how you feel about frustration as i had tons of them.
Enjoy the journey and stop caring about results.
Aslo read this post from Teuton this guy has been hitting it hard for 3 years while getting pretty poor results. His persistence is inspirational.
ChinaBoy
Enjoy the journey and stop caring about results.
Aslo read this post from Teuton this guy has been hitting it hard for 3 years while getting pretty poor results. His persistence is inspirational.
ChinaBoy
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@wtfeverness and ChinaBoy~
Thanks for the words of support. Honestly I think the soppyness of Valentines Day I witnessed today has strengthened my enjoyment of the journey.
Id rather be frustrated and single than stuck in some boring relationship like half the zombies I meet seem to be.
Day 84 - February 14 2012
Valentines day - what a lame day!
5 approaches, 4 BF’s and one was married. Whats more two of the girls were on their way to meet their boyfriend for some soppy commercial Valentines lunch. Yuck.
Thanks for the words of support. Honestly I think the soppyness of Valentines Day I witnessed today has strengthened my enjoyment of the journey.
Id rather be frustrated and single than stuck in some boring relationship like half the zombies I meet seem to be.
Day 84 - February 14 2012
Valentines day - what a lame day!
5 approaches, 4 BF’s and one was married. Whats more two of the girls were on their way to meet their boyfriend for some soppy commercial Valentines lunch. Yuck.
Day 85 - February 15 2012
Hourly approach record smashed
Wahooo! I managed 11 approaches today in 1 hour 10 minutes. I did about 10 approaches inside an hour - and this included a 10 minute conversation. Normally im struggling to make my daily goal of 5.
My AA was pretty much non existent today. Normally I open about 30% of girls I think I should open - today I probably opened about 75% of the girls I should have.
I think a factor in me doing so many approaches in a short space of time was the first two girls I spoke to were nasty! Like really grumpy. The kind of grumpy fuck you might meet every few weeks - then along come two at once. Like damn buses.
After I spoke to these two wenches my AA for the day was pretty much gone. Funny enough though - escalation wise I didnt get anywhere with anyone. Like I barely had a decent conversation with any girl. In hindsight I should have reopened a few more than I did.
Also - I bumped into a girl I opened a while back. I made eye contact with her with the intention of opening - then she remembered me and stopped to talk. Thats a positive first! She has a BF and wouldnt give me her number but oh well.
This time last week I was on a right downer. One week later - and work/girl wise not much has changed but I feel way better. The human mind is strange.
Hourly approach record smashed
Wahooo! I managed 11 approaches today in 1 hour 10 minutes. I did about 10 approaches inside an hour - and this included a 10 minute conversation. Normally im struggling to make my daily goal of 5.
My AA was pretty much non existent today. Normally I open about 30% of girls I think I should open - today I probably opened about 75% of the girls I should have.
I think a factor in me doing so many approaches in a short space of time was the first two girls I spoke to were nasty! Like really grumpy. The kind of grumpy fuck you might meet every few weeks - then along come two at once. Like damn buses.
After I spoke to these two wenches my AA for the day was pretty much gone. Funny enough though - escalation wise I didnt get anywhere with anyone. Like I barely had a decent conversation with any girl. In hindsight I should have reopened a few more than I did.
Also - I bumped into a girl I opened a while back. I made eye contact with her with the intention of opening - then she remembered me and stopped to talk. Thats a positive first! She has a BF and wouldnt give me her number but oh well.
This time last week I was on a right downer. One week later - and work/girl wise not much has changed but I feel way better. The human mind is strange.
Loyd
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Join Date: 01/24/2012 | Posts: 7
It's been a while since I read your diary. Coming back to this now, let me say: it's a different world now.
Now I see words like "numbers" and "D2." Just a few weeks ago these words were not present. You're at a different level. Yes you may have a ways to go, but you're at another level.
You're working now to calibrate D2s. That takes a little longer than calibrating approaches because you get less of them overall. But in time it will happen. And as the higher parts of the "funnel" get more aligned you'll just get more and more. You may hit a similar snag once you start getting girls back into your room. Again, think the funnel.
I was reminded about this Daygame video where and Yosha talk about progressively working through sticking points: youtube.com/watch?v=ZHl1yM2ULaI
ALso -- I'd second what pynchon said: try hitting a night game venue and try out your new skills on girls who are there to get laid. Might be interesting at the least.
You continue to be an inspiration to me man, keep it up.