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#61
G-Money

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Whatever you do, don't say this outright. It sounds like she's gonna put out regardless. Like you said, it's pretty easy to subcommunicate that you simply DO NOT GIVE A FUCK if she puts out. 

This is my exact mindset. I don't give a fuck if we have sex or not. Chicks can pick up on this and get TURNED ON by it. The hardest part is actually internalizing it but once you do the shit is easy. 

I would wish you good luck, but you got this. I'll look for the update.
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 "you have to put out on the 2nd date or else I move on."  
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#62
UtopiaFive

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Yeah, you're right.  I should simply have that "rule" and also not care.  In my mind I'm making it like "so if I just don't care until 4-6 hours of knowing each other, THEN she'll do it right?"  But the truth is I don't and mustn't care, period.  Though yeah beyond a certain point, I just lose interest (e.g. 2 date rule).  

lol great email responding about a second date tonight:

Sounds good.

I'll see you tonight. Let you know a bit later in the day exact timing, but I'll say, probably 8.

As discussed earlier, my only dietary restriction is that I cannot eat the vagina, especially canned.

Seriously though I'll eat anything good, though bonus points for something lacking in the grains department (e.g. just meat n veggies type stuff).

G-Money wrote:
Whatever you do, don't say this outright. It sounds like she's gonna put out regardless. Like you said, it's pretty easy to subcommunicate that you simply DO NOT GIVE A FUCK if she puts out. 

This is my exact mindset. I don't give a fuck if we have sex or not. Chicks can pick up on this and get TURNED ON by it. The hardest part is actually internalizing it but once you do the shit is easy. 

I would wish you good luck, but you got this. I'll look for the update.
UtopiaFive wrote:
 "you have to put out on the 2nd date or else I move on."  
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#63
G-Money

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 Right, I mean, we have to remember that all these girls we're dealing with are human beings with specific rules and boundaries. Sometimes we are able to tear these down with game within 2-3 dates and other times we can't. 

Just like you might live your life with a specific mindset, the girl will as well. We cannot make a sweeping generalization about girls being ready for sex after x amount of hours. 

There will be certain women that you find yourselves at a crossroads with simply from a cost benefit analysis standpoint. The cost here being your time, and the benefit being the eventual sex. Is it worth the effort you're putting in?

The answer, at least in most cases, is just to increase the volume of girls you're having sex with. This tends to solve mostly everything. 
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You guys are awesome. Refreshing to read something pleasant on RSDN for a change.
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UtopiaFive

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Correct, on increasing the volume.  Its goal #1.  "Get some every day."  

BTW on boundaries...there are different "sets" of boundaries.  A lot of times girls are switching between "relationship minded" and "fun minded."  I know this because boundaries can seem to just fuckin melt away when a girl is laughing her ass off.  

The cost benefit shit also for me includes "learning from reference points" as thats one of the biggest reasons "I don't care" a lot of these times.  Because I'm seeing a year into the future when I've smoothed out all the fuckin kinks (with more to find), my friend Brian is the king of this shit, everything on autopilot, somehow got 4 in a wknd.  omfgrite?
G-Money wrote:
 Right, I mean, we have to remember that all these girls we're dealing with are human beings with specific rules and boundaries. Sometimes we are able to tear these down with game within 2-3 dates and other times we can't. 

Just like you might live your life with a specific mindset, the girl will as well. We cannot make a sweeping generalization about girls being ready for sex after x amount of hours. 

There will be certain women that you find yourselves at a crossroads with simply from a cost benefit analysis standpoint. The cost here being your time, and the benefit being the eventual sex. Is it worth the effort you're putting in?

The answer, at least in most cases, is just to increase the volume of girls you're having sex with. This tends to solve mostly everything. 
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#66
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Habit #1: Self-Love
Two weeks are up.  Obviously continuing the 1minute self eye-contact every day as it fucking rocks, and filtering choices through "self-love" but the focus is now on to...

Habit #2: Meditate
5 minutes every day.  Going to alternate with the Holosync and "natural."  I hear this longer period of time, but if I say "20 minutes" I'll probably miss it some days, if I say "5 minutes" I'm going to hit it every day.  Also I think my mental state is way more awesome now anyway.  I'll prob realstically do 20 minutes 4-5 days a week and the rest of the time hit my 5 minute min threshold for the "checkmark."  

Thought long and hard about what habit#2 should be, there was also:
- slow it down
- positive dominant tonality
- pointless leading
- try and pull every set
- even more sexuality (and you know the shit I've been saying, like "I want to bust a nut in you" 3 minutes after opening, etc., "I'm using you on my lunch break", etc.  

on the table.  But I'll go with meditation for now to get deeper in the consistent chill state.  Probably habit #3 will be something more closing-oriented like "Lets hang out after the bars close" on every set.  
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#67

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UtopiaFive wrote:

Habit #2: Meditate
5 minutes every day.  Going to alternate with the Holosync and "natural."  I hear this longer period of time, but if I say "20 minutes" I'll probably miss it some days, if I say "5 minutes" I'm going to hit it every day.  Also I think my mental state is way more awesome now anyway.  I'll prob realstically do 20 minutes 4-5 days a week and the rest of the time hit my 5 minute min threshold for the "checkmark."  

I started out meditation like that, thinking I'll just do couple minutes here and gradually increase to 20 minutes.  Nope, that didn't work out and I didn't get any benefit.  Then, I realized that I can't half step anything, including meditation.  So after few weeks, I just started doing 20 minutes, everyday.  Yes, there are some days that I miss it, but it's just something I make time for each and every day, it's now a habit.  The days I miis it are always the days I haven't set specific time for it, but mon-friday, I have a specific time set aside for 20 minutes of meditation, and I just go do it.  Just execute the program, including meditation.  Just like going out everyday and approaching, there's no question, there's not decision to make, it's something I decided to do, so I set aside specific time and I do it.  
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#68
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Eh.  Just jumped like 5-10 feet out of my comfort zone.  

Miami bootcamp, whoop de do, here we go.  
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For some reason feelin a bit odd this afternoon.  

Feelin a bit odd?  

Who cares.  

You keep takin steps anyway.  (Dur. Back to work ya sexy ass scruffy nerdman you...)
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#70
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G-Money wrote:
 Right, I mean, we have to remember that all these girls we're dealing with are human beings with specific rules and boundaries. Sometimes we are able to tear these down with game within 2-3 dates and other times we can't. 

Just like you might live your life with a specific mindset, the girl will as well. We cannot make a sweeping generalization about girls being ready for sex after x amount of hours. 

There will be certain women that you find yourselves at a crossroads with simply from a cost benefit analysis standpoint. The cost here being your time, and the benefit being the eventual sex. Is it worth the effort you're putting in?

The answer, at least in most cases, is just to increase the volume of girls you're having sex with. This tends to solve mostly everything. 
I gotta say having the STRICT INTERNAL MINDSET of "If you aren't down to fuck on or before the 3rd date, you are gone" is communicated effortlessly throughout the first and second dates (IME).  Since starting my journal last year I haven't gone on a second date with a girl who I didn't fuck by the third at the latest.  

I literally get the feeling that girls fuck me on or before the 3rd date because they are TOTALLY AFRAID OF LOSING ME.  They will fuck me to be able to keep seeing me, literally.  And when I enjoy myself (which I know how to do) they feel VALIDATED and want to fuck me more, because they know that's an easy way to OFFER VALUE and make ME feel GOOD.

It's crazy though, quality girls who have very high self esteem seem to be the ones who take longer.  I think this is because they know that I'm into them for more than just some fun and some sex.  They know I'm attracted to THEM.

At the same time, I think that, like you said, VOLUME CHANGES THIS MINDSET TOO.  If I'm at a level of abundance of dates where these girls know that even as a quality girl they need to compete to score a day a week or two with me, they will throw sex at me to grab my attention.

This is why women SEDUCE men.  By seducing men they feel safe, and by seeing they are making their man feel good they feel even more secure.

This isn't manipulative in the slightest.  This is just an internal boundary.  

Interesting topics..
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