THE FORUMS
I actually was just talking to Konstantine on the phone and said pretty much the same thing. Except it wasn't anywhere near as uh, poetic. And I think I was eating and talking with my mouth open at the same time.
But yes premise is the same. This dude is stuck back in 2006 when the basic premise was "Only one frame can win! When two frames come together one LOSES, and one wins!" Lose/win is a fucked up situation. Alex used to be stuck in this frame used to write about it. Was rough times.
And of course the other premise he's lacking, as mentioned, is the loss of attachment to ego and needing to be right, which is just another form of weakness.
PLUS.. if you go to the end of most of the chapters of the book, there's a small section where he says, "And don't forget to use humor and warmth! 'Cuz if you don't it won't work!" He's describing calibration and outcome independence of sorts. Basically he's glossing over EVERYTHING developed and taught by theRSD in the last 3-4 years. Durrrr
That being said I don't think there's a more powerful book out there on frame control. It's very solid. I just don't want guys going thru the entire spectrum of everything awesome RSD has to offer, only to start engaging everyone they know in frame battles because of this book. There's more to life than everything being a frame battle.
But yes premise is the same. This dude is stuck back in 2006 when the basic premise was "Only one frame can win! When two frames come together one LOSES, and one wins!" Lose/win is a fucked up situation. Alex used to be stuck in this frame used to write about it. Was rough times.
And of course the other premise he's lacking, as mentioned, is the loss of attachment to ego and needing to be right, which is just another form of weakness.
PLUS.. if you go to the end of most of the chapters of the book, there's a small section where he says, "And don't forget to use humor and warmth! 'Cuz if you don't it won't work!" He's describing calibration and outcome independence of sorts. Basically he's glossing over EVERYTHING developed and taught by theRSD in the last 3-4 years. Durrrr
That being said I don't think there's a more powerful book out there on frame control. It's very solid. I just don't want guys going thru the entire spectrum of everything awesome RSD has to offer, only to start engaging everyone they know in frame battles because of this book. There's more to life than everything being a frame battle.
This book is excellent to realize what the hell is going on in the pack. The reality of how social dynamics work. Here are ( for me), the two most important points in the information:
Your position in the social hierarchy is an artificial measure of your worth to others, a construct based on your wealth, your popularity within society at large, and the power of the position you hold.
Your social value is fluid and changes with the environment you are in. If you wish to elevate your social value in any given situation, you can do so by redirecting people into a domain where you are in charge.
The book will lead guys to a short and mid range "success", but long term is a failure. Why? Keep it simple and read the above. Identity as a set of external pillars. That's the first part. Keeping the frame in a context of COMFORT IN YOUR DOMAIN. Never anywhere, at any time does it even understand self-esteem. The ultimate frame. The biggest power. The strongest magnet. The heart of sexual abundance.
The book is awesome because it's HORRIBLE to be a needy de-sexualized nice guy being victimized by girls, other guys, friends, businesses, family and your society. So it's a good tool to know it and use it if necessary. But it WILL be mental masturbation...and later HABITS where you get this into your subconscious and not touch self esteem.
It contradicts the promise of The Blueprint, and will ( in the end) leave a guy high and dry.
This book is critical information to understand how narcissim works and to accept it in yourself and others. However, 400 million bucks raised in ponzi scheme America is a million times smaller than the balls to face yourself.
This is the idea in The Blueprint(authenticity)...although Tolle was used as a way of dealing with the deep issues a MAN has to face. Facing those issues is the road to eliminating mental masturbation and just BEING (supreme frame-value).
The information from this book is good...to really see how social dynamics in the absence of self-esteem work in the real, icy, fear-based world. If it were to be the BASIS of a guy's "game", it would lead to complete and utter isolation.
Your position in the social hierarchy is an artificial measure of your worth to others, a construct based on your wealth, your popularity within society at large, and the power of the position you hold.
Your social value is fluid and changes with the environment you are in. If you wish to elevate your social value in any given situation, you can do so by redirecting people into a domain where you are in charge.
The book will lead guys to a short and mid range "success", but long term is a failure. Why? Keep it simple and read the above. Identity as a set of external pillars. That's the first part. Keeping the frame in a context of COMFORT IN YOUR DOMAIN. Never anywhere, at any time does it even understand self-esteem. The ultimate frame. The biggest power. The strongest magnet. The heart of sexual abundance.
The book is awesome because it's HORRIBLE to be a needy de-sexualized nice guy being victimized by girls, other guys, friends, businesses, family and your society. So it's a good tool to know it and use it if necessary. But it WILL be mental masturbation...and later HABITS where you get this into your subconscious and not touch self esteem.
It contradicts the promise of The Blueprint, and will ( in the end) leave a guy high and dry.
This book is critical information to understand how narcissim works and to accept it in yourself and others. However, 400 million bucks raised in ponzi scheme America is a million times smaller than the balls to face yourself.
This is the idea in The Blueprint(authenticity)...although Tolle was used as a way of dealing with the deep issues a MAN has to face. Facing those issues is the road to eliminating mental masturbation and just BEING (supreme frame-value).
The information from this book is good...to really see how social dynamics in the absence of self-esteem work in the real, icy, fear-based world. If it were to be the BASIS of a guy's "game", it would lead to complete and utter isolation.
So you don't need to be the most socially dominant in the club or bar or party to be the best pimp you can be? You always hear "You gotta be the boss!" ,etc. "You gotta be a winner!" , "Whoever holds the frame that night gets the girls,etc". Or is this something that must be calibrated? <-------- I'M TALKIN STRICTLY IN THE CLUB OR WHEN DEALIN WITH AMOGS.
I think and maybe alot of people know this but understandin frame control can help you lead the girl better as well.
But like Alex said with friends it should be "mutual influence". In fact I will definitely try that "mutual influence thing" as that might help me be more "social". That was one thing that really helped me about Alex's 2 hour vid. Thanks so much everyone. Peace.
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"No one can be told what the matrix is you have to see it for yourself.....There is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path."
"It is not enough to know YOU MUST DO" -Bruce Lee ; "I do and I understand"- Confuscious (Got that from Jeffy show hehe)
"Every sentence written or spoken,action, everything in the universe can be a rabbit hole to master" Me
"Don't take this too serious or be serious out there. It can work against you.GO OUT TO CLUBS,PARTIES,ETC. Relax, have fun, have "sucess with women".Trust in the process.Trust in the time you put in. 'Be positive always'. Focus on "the positive" and you will learn faster. Obviously the more time you put in the better and faster the learning and result will be.Trust in the knowledge you're aplying because the 'RSD/PUA knowledge' is probably the 'best truth' we have today.The process is fun and everlasting
." I think this is true
"A woman can feel a similar powerful emotional and physical response that's similar to the one we feel when we see an attractive woman.....A woman can feel that in response to something....Okay instead of trying to logically convince a woman to feel attracted.They must 'trigger it'...'Personality' is the primary way that attraction is 'triggered inside of women' " David D! Best of wishes to you sir wherever U R.
"Never put any girl on a pedestal no matter what anyone else thinks. Don't 'be' , 'think' and 'feel' like ' they ' ( 'chodes' ) do. Be 'comfortable' with them around you because you 'know why they are like that.' Never be in that ' 'chode' headspace' "
"Always have Abundance mentality. 1.Alot of girls will always like you. The more you meet the more will like you.Always have freedom from outcome 2. You can have the exact same great connection with many many girls. There is nothing special about any girl and connection you made with her. Fuck and forget "everything" about society,social conditioning,songs,media,movies that go against abundance mentality"
"Never-attach-too-much-meaning to interactions with girls for example if you like a girl always go for her phone number" ; "MOVEMENT IS LIFE" RSDNathan
"Before enlightenment, chop wood and carry water.After enlightenment,chop wood and carry water." Ancient Eastern Adage
PROCESS!PROCESS! "Build it as well" ; "You're already living the "dreamlife". Some of you just don't realize it" I think this is true.
"Everything is a learning experience"
"The guys that get humor. Learned it from books" Jeffty AKA JLAIX
"It is not enough to know YOU MUST DO" -Bruce Lee ; "I do and I understand"- Confuscious (Got that from Jeffy show hehe)
"Every sentence written or spoken,action, everything in the universe can be a rabbit hole to master" Me
"Don't take this too serious or be serious out there. It can work against you.GO OUT TO CLUBS,PARTIES,ETC. Relax, have fun, have "sucess with women".Trust in the process.Trust in the time you put in. 'Be positive always'. Focus on "the positive" and you will learn faster. Obviously the more time you put in the better and faster the learning and result will be.Trust in the knowledge you're aplying because the 'RSD/PUA knowledge' is probably the 'best truth' we have today.The process is fun and everlasting
." I think this is true "A woman can feel a similar powerful emotional and physical response that's similar to the one we feel when we see an attractive woman.....A woman can feel that in response to something....Okay instead of trying to logically convince a woman to feel attracted.They must 'trigger it'...'Personality' is the primary way that attraction is 'triggered inside of women' " David D! Best of wishes to you sir wherever U R.
"Never put any girl on a pedestal no matter what anyone else thinks. Don't 'be' , 'think' and 'feel' like ' they ' ( 'chodes' ) do. Be 'comfortable' with them around you because you 'know why they are like that.' Never be in that ' 'chode' headspace' "
"Always have Abundance mentality. 1.Alot of girls will always like you. The more you meet the more will like you.Always have freedom from outcome 2. You can have the exact same great connection with many many girls. There is nothing special about any girl and connection you made with her. Fuck and forget "everything" about society,social conditioning,songs,media,movies that go against abundance mentality"
"Never-attach-too-much-meaning to interactions with girls for example if you like a girl always go for her phone number" ; "MOVEMENT IS LIFE" RSDNathan
"Before enlightenment, chop wood and carry water.After enlightenment,chop wood and carry water." Ancient Eastern Adage
PROCESS!PROCESS! "Build it as well" ; "You're already living the "dreamlife". Some of you just don't realize it" I think this is true.
"Everything is a learning experience"
"The guys that get humor. Learned it from books" Jeffty AKA JLAIX
I can't believe Alex said that he's definitely learning. He used to be the fucking worst when it came to "only one reality can win"
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You shouldn’t of said that.
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Started reading the book and 
. I recommend it to everyone. It's made so much make sense.
Reminded me of 26 and the legenday Rick "Always have a "better" answer." Flirting, frame games,humor,fun,"value" and he even talks about social dynamics,etc Great book!!!Good Luck everyone! RSDnation#1!!!!!!!!!
. I recommend it to everyone. It's made so much make sense. Reminded me of 26 and the legenday Rick "Always have a "better" answer." Flirting, frame games,humor,fun,"value" and he even talks about social dynamics,etc Great book!!!Good Luck everyone! RSDnation#1!!!!!!!!!
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"No one can be told what the matrix is you have to see it for yourself.....There is a difference between knowing the path and walking the path."
"It is not enough to know YOU MUST DO" -Bruce Lee ; "I do and I understand"- Confuscious (Got that from Jeffy show hehe)
"Every sentence written or spoken,action, everything in the universe can be a rabbit hole to master" Me
"Don't take this too serious or be serious out there. It can work against you.GO OUT TO CLUBS,PARTIES,ETC. Relax, have fun, have "sucess with women".Trust in the process.Trust in the time you put in. 'Be positive always'. Focus on "the positive" and you will learn faster. Obviously the more time you put in the better and faster the learning and result will be.Trust in the knowledge you're aplying because the 'RSD/PUA knowledge' is probably the 'best truth' we have today.The process is fun and everlasting." I think this is true
"A woman can feel a similar powerful emotional and physical response that's similar to the one we feel when we see an attractive woman.....A woman can feel that in response to something....Okay instead of trying to logically convince a woman to feel attracted.They must 'trigger it'...'Personality' is the primary way that attraction is 'triggered inside of women' " David D! Best of wishes to you sir wherever U R.
"Never put any girl on a pedestal no matter what anyone else thinks. Don't 'be' , 'think' and 'feel' like ' they ' ( 'chodes' ) do. Be 'comfortable' with them around you because you 'know why they are like that.' Never be in that ' 'chode' headspace' "
"Always have Abundance mentality. 1.Alot of girls will always like you. The more you meet the more will like you.Always have freedom from outcome 2. You can have the exact same great connection with many many girls. There is nothing special about any girl and connection you made with her. Fuck and forget "everything" about society,social conditioning,songs,media,movies that go against abundance mentality"
"Never-attach-too-much-meaning to interactions with girls for example if you like a girl always go for her phone number" ; "MOVEMENT IS LIFE" RSDNathan
"Before enlightenment, chop wood and carry water.After enlightenment,chop wood and carry water." Ancient Eastern Adage
PROCESS!PROCESS! "Build it as well" ; "You're already living the "dreamlife". Some of you just don't realize it" I think this is true.
"Everything is a learning experience"
"The guys that get humor. Learned it from books" Jeffty AKA JLAIX
"It is not enough to know YOU MUST DO" -Bruce Lee ; "I do and I understand"- Confuscious (Got that from Jeffy show hehe)
"Every sentence written or spoken,action, everything in the universe can be a rabbit hole to master" Me
"Don't take this too serious or be serious out there. It can work against you.GO OUT TO CLUBS,PARTIES,ETC. Relax, have fun, have "sucess with women".Trust in the process.Trust in the time you put in. 'Be positive always'. Focus on "the positive" and you will learn faster. Obviously the more time you put in the better and faster the learning and result will be.Trust in the knowledge you're aplying because the 'RSD/PUA knowledge' is probably the 'best truth' we have today.The process is fun and everlasting
." I think this is true "A woman can feel a similar powerful emotional and physical response that's similar to the one we feel when we see an attractive woman.....A woman can feel that in response to something....Okay instead of trying to logically convince a woman to feel attracted.They must 'trigger it'...'Personality' is the primary way that attraction is 'triggered inside of women' " David D! Best of wishes to you sir wherever U R.
"Never put any girl on a pedestal no matter what anyone else thinks. Don't 'be' , 'think' and 'feel' like ' they ' ( 'chodes' ) do. Be 'comfortable' with them around you because you 'know why they are like that.' Never be in that ' 'chode' headspace' "
"Always have Abundance mentality. 1.Alot of girls will always like you. The more you meet the more will like you.Always have freedom from outcome 2. You can have the exact same great connection with many many girls. There is nothing special about any girl and connection you made with her. Fuck and forget "everything" about society,social conditioning,songs,media,movies that go against abundance mentality"
"Never-attach-too-much-meaning to interactions with girls for example if you like a girl always go for her phone number" ; "MOVEMENT IS LIFE" RSDNathan
"Before enlightenment, chop wood and carry water.After enlightenment,chop wood and carry water." Ancient Eastern Adage
PROCESS!PROCESS! "Build it as well" ; "You're already living the "dreamlife". Some of you just don't realize it" I think this is true.
"Everything is a learning experience"
"The guys that get humor. Learned it from books" Jeffty AKA JLAIX
If you want to see what frame control looks like watch anything with Floyd Mayweather. He is the perfect example of this. Everyone that he talks to instantly starts reacting to him.
Watch his HBO 24/7 episodes and you can see a lot of him doing this type of shit.
Watch his HBO 24/7 episodes and you can see a lot of him doing this type of shit.
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i instantly got the book when i read your post and i am over half way through with it. the book is really reaaaaally good i love every page of it. but one thing i found is that, it is like reading a book about pick up. it even uses the same terms like "prizing" and "push pull" and stuff. it even mentions time constraints.
are all the classic pick up outer game techniques really sales techniques or how did this come about??
are all the classic pick up outer game techniques really sales techniques or how did this come about??
At the end of the day my friend, it's all about having the "whole package" and knowing how to market it. This is really all a part of personal selling and fits a larger context of life... Excellent insight!! I just ordered the e-book cuz this stuff is my field and it's fascinating isn't it!! :P
Zero
I've never read this thread until right now.
And it's ok. It's very good for deep understanding a specific construct ("frame").
Though I won't buy the book. Just no time for that.
But good thread.
ps: I never knew that you are really the guy on the small avatar SirKonstantine. Makes you even more cool. :)
ciao and have a good day.
And it's ok. It's very good for deep understanding a specific construct ("frame").
Though I won't buy the book. Just no time for that.
But good thread.
ps: I never knew that you are really the guy on the small avatar SirKonstantine. Makes you even more cool. :)
ciao and have a good day.
Thanks man, just ordered the book!
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The question isn't who is going to let me; it's who is going to stop me.
You guys need to study frame control???
That's like breathing to US (referring to the master specialist grandmasters)
Nah just pokin fun at ya. Don't be too serious now.
All good all good :)
That's like breathing to US (referring to the master specialist grandmasters)
Nah just pokin fun at ya. Don't be too serious now.
All good all good :)
Andre~
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on two day2's i've had girls tell me without warning that they've got to leave early, thus putting me in the 'chaser' frame, so it's always better to counter this according to the book by saying "oh cool, i gotta leave earlier anyway, let's make the most of it" or just setup a false time constraint at the beginning of the day2. It's kinda 'ol skool PUA to do this shit but it's very true that you should value your time and always make sure she's know you're the prize.
Bitchy friends will try intervene with you and your girl, so make an effort to use the moral authority frame. Shut them down instantly with the pimp hand and beat them black and blue lol jk i think it's useful just tell a bitchy friend "why are you being so controlling for, don't you think your friend should think for herself. Back off, i'm one of the good guys" or whatever you want just to let em know they're not functioning like a civilised person. There's nothing more a chick hates than feeling cut off by society for her actions.
That's just some brainstorming for IRL situations that the game throws at you, it's a good book which should be re-read occasionally.