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jlaix

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 TYLER ON LOOKS

If I have time to do this I'm considering making an infield compilation of all the compliments I get on a nightly basis...

"You're soooo handsome..."

"You're so handsome for a ginger. I normally hate gingers but you're soooo cute...."

"You're pale. Kinda gross. But I like it. It's hot. Like creepishly hot."

"You know you're hot. You know you can fuck any girl in here. Why do you even like me?"

"You must have fucked hundreds of women..."

"I love how you're not too tall. We can kiss so easily..."

"You are CUTE. And the worst part is you KNOW you're cute."

"I know you're not going to call me. You do this all the time. You're onto the next..." (from hot girls I've just slept with)

"You're rich I can tell..." (girls rationalizing my confidence since I'm not traditionally good looking)

"Are you even capable of having a girlfriend?" (girls assuming I get laid so much I could never be in a relationship -- again I find this so funny they just assume this when they're way better looking than I am)

Etc etc. Infield examples would be like from the 8 minute mark in this vid, "you're kinda hot, you're turning me on, meet me later" blah blah...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHqTT_uCal8


Then again I also get...

"You're not hot enough for her, go away!"

"I wouldn't date a guy who looks like you, I only fuck hot guys..." (I also get this directly before sex though)

"You're going BALD? How old are you? I feel bad for you."

"Does this EVER work for you?" (implying I never get laid)

"You're a short small guy. You look kinda gay. I want a man not a little child."

"Get the fuck away from me you're disgusting...FUCK OFF!"

So it's a range of responses. Usually the top ones are from 9's and 10's, the lower ones are from 6's and 7's or angry fat friends. But the odd time a hot girl will say the lower ones too. OH WELL.

Now let's talk about how often a night I get approached. I'd say around 5 to 10 on average, usually by hot girls although sometimes less hot girls give it a shot. Does that mean they WALK UP and say "I want to fuck your brains out"? Obviously no. But they circle around and throw out little comments, stare at me, throw shit at me, brush up against me, etc.

I generally avoid saying this stuff bluntly for the reason that I find the more I brag my ass off (which I love to do...) the more I get this weird "neediness" for this stuff to happen, and the less often it happens. So usually I try to avoid using myself as an example since I want to live this stuff not just talk about it. And it doesn't happen every night -- just most -- so I don't want BC students showing up saying "Hey bro could you do that thing where you walk around and girls approach you, that would really break my reality, thanks man..." Don't ask me to "do" this -- just take my word for it given I have no incentive to make this up, it would be perfectly fine to simply say "Looks help but you don't need them..." and just as many people would like RSD.

(I'm speaking from over 10 year's experience. These are my experiences. They're biased like everyone's experiences -- my RAS obviously focuses on certain evidence and ignores other evidence, like all humans. But there's enough evidence here and I'm a clear enough thinker that it's generally pretty accurate. Just go with it.)

Anyway I may create an infield compilation of this, despite that half of people will find it inspiring and the other half will think it's pure bragging. I think I'd include pictures of my looking retarded, like pictures of the bald spot on the top of my head and other silly angles, just to make the point that there's no excuses in all this. The whole looks thing is so lame from my perspective. Wow what a limiting belief. Totally reflects that guys haven't taken the time to learn game and want to simplify their lack of results.

Good looking guys get laid more easily for the simple reason that 1) they get "gimme's" from mid range girls (6's and 7's, and the odd 8) who are easily validated by a "cute guy", and 2) they don't have to escape "group think" in order to feel confident, they can simply say to themselves "Hell yeah society is right and I'm the shit..." whereas a non good looking guy will have to brainwash himself ala RSD style in order to allow himself to act like a normal cool person (ie: a guy who approaches and pimps girls).

Nonetheless you need to learn the shit we talk about here or else naturally do it on your own if you want the most legit girls. Point blank period. The best girls don't respond to looks very often because they're not validated by it -- it's too "weak a form of value". Here in LA they often fuck older guys in their 40's and 50's who are "type A" entrepreneurs and make millions of dollars, as well as funny bar tenders who are just fucken assholes and treat them like shit, so their "RAS" is attuned to other types of value than a 7 who thinks a "cute guy" is the paragon of awesomeness for a girl to date.

Seriously, fully get over it. Do what you can to improve your looks to the maximum degree and then.....drop it. And frankly to be honest even when I've improved my looks a lot I find I become obsessed with looking a certain way and then I compare myself to other guys and realize that I can't measure up, and my success drops. Then I stop caring maybe get a lil fatter or sloppier and because I'm more "irreverent" it's -- poof! -- numbers start racking up again. ;) Doesn't mean to ignore your appearance but take it into consideration. The main reason I want to look good is because I want access to the best clubs and bouncers are superficial as hell.

Regardless if you're a newbie and you suck and you're a weirdo, HELL YEAH do everything you can go improve your looks because looking weird just DRAWS ATTENTION to the fact you're a weirdo. So if that's the case then improve your looks. Then once you've done what you can, drop it and move on.

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#52
Tyler

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btw when you look at that lil LR it probably sounds pretty pimp, right?  And yet what am I really doing?

I'm a 32 year old man emotionally dominating the frame of a 22 year old lil girl.  Yeah she's cute or whatever.  So what?

If I'm a 32 year old man who has a lifetime of experience under his belt and I lack the confidence to overpower the frame of a hot lil 22 year old -- I mean, at least ONE out of an ENTIRE CLUB full of them frolicking around -- I should pull out a gun and shoot myself in the head.

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#53
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 I'm a ginger. I noticed that the moment I stopped caring about the fact that I was pale and had red hair, and accepted that this is who I am and fully accepted it, that girls started to bring it up less and less. And that when they do, it's really only a subconscious test by a more socially-conditioned girl who wants to see if you flinch. 
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mace, haven't you heard of Soul? he's the scrawny indian (or sri lankian?) who became master day dame expert. works for a different company. Btw I'm tall, white and reasonably good looking and my game sucked ass until I got my inner game sorted. looks give you some 'freebies' along the way but other than they don't mean shit. It's all about how you feel about yourself. You don't have the reference experience yet which is why your mind can accept this as true. But if you follow the advice given here and commit to getting good you will look back and laugh about your current way of thinking. Trust me. Think less about looks and more about 'flow' and magnetic presence. Those come from how your inner feelings and beliefs about yourself and your place in the world.
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Tyler wrote:
Yeah I'd say the social conditioning Asian / Indian parents often give their children is absolutely brutal.

There's many forms of bullshit social conditioning.  The bad conditioning I had was being beaten and verbaly abused by my parents, while listening to them do the same to eachother, so becoming shy and low self esteem.  All of this shit sucks and I think it's bullshit that innocent kids have to grow up like this.

WHATEVER.  We're all adults now.  I'm not saying a little kid whose parents fucked them up needs to step up.  But we're not kids.

As far as girls not being into Asians and Indians, I have no sympathy.  I'm a GINGER.

Take the last girl I closed.  We're in a dark club, making out, I'm trying to finger her but she's pushing my hand away but about to let me do it.

Then she looks at me more closely...

"OMG are you a GINGER?  Sorry I don't do ginger..."

She's dead serious.  The set is DONE.  I respond with...

"Some guys are tall, dark, and handsome.  Some guys are short....funny....and horny......I.......am tall......dark......and handsome."

She breaks out laughing, I slam the make-out again, she reciprocates for a second but pulls back.

"No ginger.  Hahaha I'm sorry I don't do ginger.  You gotta go.  Seriously you're funny but this isn't happening."

I start laughing my ass off.

"Hahahaah yeah so many girls don't want to fuck me at first because I'm so funny looking.  Then they look in my eyes.  The eyes of a real man.  You've probably never even looked in the eyes of a real man.  What a privilege for you.  Stop.  Stop and look in the eyes of a real man."

She looks deep into my eyes and starts laughing to break the tension.  She wants to make a joke out of it, but I'm not going to let her.

"NO BITCH YOU'RE GONNA LOOK IN THE EYES OF A REAL FUCKING MAN!!"

She finally stops and looks in my eyes, as I'm in a meditative state and looking directly into her pupils, completely relaxed but yet horny as fuck.

Then we're making out again, she's forgotten about it.  I drag her back to her table with her friends and sister and go on and on about how she's a big slut.  They all start laughing as she blushes.  They try to "take her back" from me.

NO SHE'S MINE NOW SHE'S A SLUT GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE YOU'RE ALL DONE IN THIS TOWN!!"

They laugh more at this because it's funny but simultaneously back off because they can see their sister is with a cool guy, so leave me with her.

She's now hooked and qualifies herself to me again and again.  We makeout and I finger her on the couch for a few minutes.  Finaly I ditch her to go back to my students who are impressed.  I don't ask for her number because this happens to me all the time and I'm busy.  She chases me down and asks for my number.  I give it to her.  She texts me non stop the rest of the night until I come over after the program is done.

This girl does not like gingers.  MOST girls do not like gingers.  Most girls have also not met a man who ONE HUNDRED PERCENT BELIEVES THAT LOOKS DO NOT MATTER and will not buy into their stupid bullshit that it has any factor whatsoever, so plows over their frame.

If you're an Asian or Indian and you have the slightest inferiority about it, you will not get laid.  AND IT WILL BECOME A SELF FULFILLING PROPHECY.  This shit must be cut out of your head viciously like a fucking cancer.

I get mocked about my appearance all the time -- the paleness, the baldness, the high voice, etc.  I don't give a fuck.  Irrelevant, all these people can suck my dick I AM THE MAN.  I will fuck your girls, I will do better in business, I will travel more, learn more, have cooler friends and have more fun.  I love life and care about the world.  Nothing will hold me back.  No excuses no nothing.  You have never, ever seen me on an internet forum, even in my darkest days, trying to convince others to help me rationalize my limiting beliefs.

If you have an impediment, shut the fuck up and outwork the competition.  End of story.  No excuses, go suck a dick with your excuses.  Produce results of shut the fuck up.  This has always been my attitude.  Anything other than this is utter garbage.

:)

Tyler


I love this! I'm a pale guy too with ginger like hair. Having these features was a huge limiting belief of mine for years! But I said fuck it...worked my ass off in the field and now I'm hooking up with chicks all the time. That shit doesn't faze me. Most girls think I am super cute despite the fact that I don't think I am! Just goes to show that you can overcome your limiting beliefs. All of u chodes should stop being fags and step up now!
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You want proof that short asian / indian guys can get girls? 

http://www.youtube.com/user/SimplePickup

Watch their videos... then start going out and stop being such a whiney little bitch.



Yeah... at the end of the day I'm sure your looks will effect your game to an extent. Being tall, white, and handsome probably is better than being short, skinny, and asian / indian when it comes to pickup. But as you start going out and getting better and better at this you know what will happen? You'll stop giving a shit... because you're going to start getting laid. You'll stop comparing yourself to other people because you'll realise... who cares? You'll be meeting a ton of cool people, getting a bunch of girls, and having a great time. The more you go out and approach you'll realise there are A TON of hot girls that are going to be into you (assuming you can get rid of that really stupid limiting belief you have). Sure... maybe you'll have to approach 10 girls before you find one that you really click with.... where as some tall, white, hansome, buff dude might only have to approach 5 girls before that happens. But if you were actually going out and doing this you wouldn't care... because you would still be getting laid and having an awesome time.

But you know what? I'm sure we could all keep writing pages and pages of posts explaining how stupid your limiting belief is and it probably still won't change your mind... so watch the videos above... and then... start going out and stop being such a whiney little bitch.
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 I'm six feet tall, muscular, and white. I dress pretty well. And I STILL have problems with f'ing girls. THEY ARE F'ED UP! Tonight I saw a girl I know going home with like some black hobo. WHAT THE FUCK?!A GHHHHHHHHH AGHHHHHHHHHHHH. I feel like in that recent Tyler video when he goes, "What the fuck?! AHHHHHHHHHHH! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!" I have more sympathy for the guys who are "These girls are f'ed up! And so is humanity" (though again yes attributed to not getting laid or pulling) than, "WAHH! It's all the white muscular tall dudes!" That's fucking horse shit.
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Tyler wrote:
Absolutely watch this super awesome video of our previous instructor Vince, who is ASIAN. :)  It's a very very cool video and used to be really popular in the PUA community back in the day.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x1wq26_pua-tribute-to-sarging-by-loverboy_people

The Youtube version has had the songs removed, so sit through the advertising and the main video will pop up.  If anyone has a Youtube version with working sound please post it here.

We also had another Asian instructor named Randy who is now our finance guy.  This guy gets laid so much, by so many hot women, it's really fucken crazy.  I look to him for game advice, let's put it that way.

Funny enough Randy is also doing a start-up and is going to leave us after many years.  Vince is also doing a start-up too.  DAMN YOU ASIANS WITH YOUR BUSINESS SKILLS!!!  AS A WHITEMAN HOW DO I STAND A CHANCE??

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Mace123 wrote:



Tyler, please hire some short, skinny Asian and Indian RSD instructors. Have them stick around for a couple years. Surely you could find a couple Asian/Indian guys who are confident with strong "inner game"/"state"/"nimbus".

I want to see these guys apply RSD's teachings and leverage this infield in bars and clubs for cold approach pickup. Would be great for your business - if these guys who can't leverage their looks can do it, surely I can?

I'd second this. It would help a lot if you found one of those 25-30 year old virgin asian/indian/whatever negative steretype guys that turned their life around and got really really good at the game and made them an instructor, just to show all these guys on the forum what is possible. I think the issue is that these guys have trouble finding role models they relate to, which is why they come on here and post all these threads. Having a guy who really came from waay behind to make it would be a big change in giving these guys hope and showing them it really is possible.



that video is awesome, could easily made into a cool documentary :)
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jlaix wrote:
 TYLER ON LOOKS

If I have time to do this I'm considering making an infield compilation of all the compliments I get on a nightly basis...

"You're soooo handsome..."

"You're so handsome for a ginger. I normally hate gingers but you're soooo cute...."

"You're pale. Kinda gross. But I like it. It's hot. Like creepishly hot."

"You know you're hot. You know you can fuck any girl in here. Why do you even like me?"

"You must have fucked hundreds of women..."

"I love how you're not too tall. We can kiss so easily..."

"You are CUTE. And the worst part is you KNOW you're cute."

"I know you're not going to call me. You do this all the time. You're onto the next..." (from hot girls I've just slept with)

"You're rich I can tell..." (girls rationalizing my confidence since I'm not traditionally good looking)

"Are you even capable of having a girlfriend?" (girls assuming I get laid so much I could never be in a relationship -- again I find this so funny they just assume this when they're way better looking than I am)

Etc etc. Infield examples would be like from the 8 minute mark in this vid, "you're kinda hot, you're turning me on, meet me later" blah blah...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHqTT_uCal8


Then again I also get...

"You're not hot enough for her, go away!"

"I wouldn't date a guy who looks like you, I only fuck hot guys..." (I also get this directly before sex though)

"You're going BALD? How old are you? I feel bad for you."

"Does this EVER work for you?" (implying I never get laid)

"You're a short small guy. You look kinda gay. I want a man not a little child."

"Get the fuck away from me you're disgusting...FUCK OFF!"

So it's a range of responses. Usually the top ones are from 9's and 10's, the lower ones are from 6's and 7's or angry fat friends. But the odd time a hot girl will say the lower ones too. OH WELL.

Now let's talk about how often a night I get approached. I'd say around 5 to 10 on average, usually by hot girls although sometimes less hot girls give it a shot. Does that mean they WALK UP and say "I want to fuck your brains out"? Obviously no. But they circle around and throw out little comments, stare at me, throw shit at me, brush up against me, etc.

I generally avoid saying this stuff bluntly for the reason that I find the more I brag my ass off (which I love to do...) the more I get this weird "neediness" for this stuff to happen, and the less often it happens. So usually I try to avoid using myself as an example since I want to live this stuff not just talk about it. And it doesn't happen every night -- just most -- so I don't want BC students showing up saying "Hey bro could you do that thing where you walk around and girls approach you, that would really break my reality, thanks man..." Don't ask me to "do" this -- just take my word for it given I have no incentive to make this up, it would be perfectly fine to simply say "Looks help but you don't need them..." and just as many people would like RSD.

(I'm speaking from over 10 year's experience. These are my experiences. They're biased like everyone's experiences -- my RAS obviously focuses on certain evidence and ignores other evidence, like all humans. But there's enough evidence here and I'm a clear enough thinker that it's generally pretty accurate. Just go with it.)

Anyway I may create an infield compilation of this, despite that half of people will find it inspiring and the other half will think it's pure bragging. I think I'd include pictures of my looking retarded, like pictures of the bald spot on the top of my head and other silly angles, just to make the point that there's no excuses in all this. The whole looks thing is so lame from my perspective. Wow what a limiting belief. Totally reflects that guys haven't taken the time to learn game and want to simplify their lack of results.

Good looking guys get laid more easily for the simple reason that 1) they get "gimme's" from mid range girls (6's and 7's, and the odd 8) who are easily validated by a "cute guy", and 2) they don't have to escape "group think" in order to feel confident, they can simply say to themselves "Hell yeah society is right and I'm the shit..." whereas a non good looking guy will have to brainwash himself ala RSD style in order to allow himself to act like a normal cool person (ie: a guy who approaches and pimps girls).

Nonetheless you need to learn the shit we talk about here or else naturally do it on your own if you want the most legit girls. Point blank period. The best girls don't respond to looks very often because they're not validated by it -- it's too "weak a form of value". Here in LA they often fuck older guys in their 40's and 50's who are "type A" entrepreneurs and make millions of dollars, as well as funny bar tenders who are just fucken assholes and treat them like shit, so their "RAS" is attuned to other types of value than a 7 who thinks a "cute guy" is the paragon of awesomeness for a girl to date.

Seriously, fully get over it. Do what you can to improve your looks to the maximum degree and then.....drop it. And frankly to be honest even when I've improved my looks a lot I find I become obsessed with looking a certain way and then I compare myself to other guys and realize that I can't measure up, and my success drops. Then I stop caring maybe get a lil fatter or sloppier and because I'm more "irreverent" it's -- poof! -- numbers start racking up again. ;) Doesn't mean to ignore your appearance but take it into consideration. The main reason I want to look good is because I want access to the best clubs and bouncers are superficial as hell.

Regardless if you're a newbie and you suck and you're a weirdo, HELL YEAH do everything you can go improve your looks because looking weird just DRAWS ATTENTION to the fact you're a weirdo. So if that's the case then improve your looks. Then once you've done what you can, drop it and move on.

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right on. I remember time of going to the gym 4 x week then constantly comparing myself at the dudes at the club. Its counterproductive and exhausting.

As for Indian dude: I see every week good looking guys at the club who stand holding their dick and waiting "for the right moment". Chode Losers.  I had stupid fucking  issues with my looks all my life until I let go of that shit.  Do yourself a favour and do the same.
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