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December 3rd, 2016
Time Management: The Death Of Day2s
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Distant Light

Distant Light

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It's incredible that were in the year 2011 and people are STILL doing day2s/dates...

With the exception of one experiment, I haven't gone a day2/date since 2009 and up to this day its become one of the best choices made. Do you not realize how much time/effort you are putting in for ONE specific girl? Lets take a look...
1.  Phone Game - However, you work the phone its alot of texting/calling to the point you can make a whole book based off the amount of "back n forth" going on in trying to meetup with ONE girl
2.  Day2/Date - After all the scheduling, planning, resceduling you have to spend even MORE time with a random chick. More times than not, sex doesn't occur and you go back to working the phone trying to get another day2/date.

Just imaginig all that is making me laugh shaking my head because so much time is wasted. One of the funniest texts I receive from women is when they mention that they have a DATE that night but will text me after its finished so we can meetup. Not one, leaves open the possibility of "maybe I'll go home and have sex". They're going into the whole DATE just slowly screening to guy to see if EVENTUALLY she'll hookup with him. Which, don't get me wrong you can turn this around BUT your already going into the interaction handicapped digging yourself out of a hole from the start. IMO, though the biggest problem about this horrible process...

SO MUCH TIME WASTED!!!! Stop!! Stop!!! Stop!!

In a perfect community world it says...
-  Go out thurs, fri sat
-  Work the phone/text on sunday to setup day2s on mon, tues, wed

So lets imagine you were AMAZING at that process and each week you were always on a day2/date 3x a week. You now know about 9 different potential prospects more or less to the point where she isn't a random girl. Out of this 9, some of them you liked or disliked, some you fooled around with or banged, others were fast hookups while others were prolonged day3-4. You got so good that you started doing back to back day2s as a buffer for those 3 days and now its about 18 women a month. Lets go abit overboard and say you had back to back to back day2s/dates which would then be 27 women a month. You are pimpin!!!!

The Lifestyle Man
Then comes along your good friend who NEVER does day2s/dates...
-  Every sunday he a little dinner get together he throws
-  Every Thursday he rolls to happy hour and group dining
-  Every Saturday he rolls with a group to a bar/club for the sake of having a blast

The ONLY thing this man does is text a handful of women letting them know about his dinner at his place, him going to happy hour and club. In order to take 1 taxi who always maintains letting only THREE WOMEN come along on each night. As usual, some of them he likes/dislikes BUT there is now a different dynamic...
-  FIRST, beyond anything its apparent this is not a date and he clearly has options because if girl #1 is shy/uptight and girl #3 turned out to be abit retarded. There is still girl #2 for him to discover that to be annoying. He just screened out 3 women in ONE DAY, which this realization woulda took YOU THREE DAYS which would've been a whole week wasted.
-  He sifts throught 36 women a month easily, if he wanted to plant more seeds he could either bring out more women each time OR add more days. So say he had an SUV bringing along 7 women. In those same 3 days that your at the mini golf club with having a great time with this one random girl, he is bowling with 7 women sifting through the ones he likes. In a month he's met 84 women, which you could NEVER do since your on a day2/date and just don't have enough time.
-  Each day he gets an idea of the women he should bang that day and the ones he should bang in the future. It's possible that with only ONE day of doing this, he could bang 1 of the 7 and have 2 others meet up with him on a off night for back to back sex. Heck, if he's feeling lazy he'll just do this 1x a week bringing out 7 women. There is no way you can catch up to him because your still doing day2s/dates.
-  Its not a date and more like a reality show because whether she likes him or not is irrelevant he has other girls he's sifting through. An as a result of this he has made FEMALE FRIENDS, fooled around with some, banged some, and cut off some. He gets messages from female friends who are bringing out girls to meet him AND he's getting texts from girls he's fooled around with or banged.

Time Management For The Win!
I remember in 08 I'd be trying to make phone calls to 14 different women and while experimenting in 2010 which resulted in like day8+ of wasted time. Now it's laughable because it wasn't uncommon for me to bring out about 12 women only end up flirting with 5 of them. Nowadays, its no uncommon to be 3 women rolling with me and all three of them I fool around with. My female friends now know if I bring a chick along to hang with us I most likely fooled around with them. I get texts from some of these women for me to come over...

Meanwhile, your still on your 3rd day2 for the night and your best friend is WORKING his numbers. I don't run any phone games, I just use my phone to handle logistics. Women are compelled to meetup because the only way they will get any time/communication from me is if we meet face to face. I've had girls SETUP DAY2s by inviting me to see them at their art exhibit and photographerr exhibit because my invites weren't in sync with their schedule.

The Formula Is Very Basic...
-  Exchange #s for the sake of her getting info on some functional "social" activity. So whether its info on the organic shop you frequent, that foreign film you told her about, the after party later tonight, your boys bday pregame, that new restaurant, etc. You don't need to tell some random chick you like her and wanna bang. She's an attractive woman, your a man its obvious the possibility of sex is always up in the air unless your gay and have zero desire to ever bang chicks.
-  Low Key Version, is unplanned shit that you happen to do and want women to roll with you. (Only 2-3 women needed to roll generally) You about to do bulk shopping? Doing your daily bike ride? Playing Xbox Live chilling in your dorm? Hanging with your boy in the park?
-  Weekly Planned Version, this is things that are within your area of interest that you'd do with or without women anyway. However, you do it for the sake of bringing a group of people together to have some fun fun fun. (2-7 women is generally ideal BUT more is possible due to whatever it is you got planned) Pre Game Party, Group Biking, Movie Night, etc.
-  Next Level Planned Version, this is more planning and more over the top than your weekly stuff. It's going to be a blast for sure whether it be a road trip, pool party at friend house, huge group dining, rockband tournaments at your boys place, etc.
-  Invitation/Text, simply let the woman know if she's free she can join because your about to have some fun with a group of people. (Which happen to be girls girls and more girls, with a possible wing/friend or 2) If no go, cool, remind her she can hit you whenever she is up for some fun. A possible text during or after about her missing out. (Lately, I've been texting alittle to let them know they are wasting their life away by not having some good social fun which can lead to possible hooking up) Most texts I ignore.
-  Sexting, usually I just respond to women's text of "what are you doing?" with random shit along the lines of "Your place? 8 or 9?" If you want to generate some potential options then simply saying "I might be out and about, hit me up later if you wanna hookup".

An thats it, I don't do any phone calls, I don't TRY with any of these women, its a simple process of continually living and bringing women along. Those women who want to take responsibility for their life will sign on board and many will become very addicted to the comfortable no-pressure way of meeting each other. A date/day2 has too much conditioning around it where its as if its a transaction deal.

P.S...The bonus is being able to bring your boy along to get some possible fun times too. One of my good community friends rolled with me once (he brought 2 girls we were messing with day before) as I brought 3 women too. (1 female friend, 1 I fool with and 1 new) While partying with these women I met two NEW girls so a total of 4 girls I fool around with. It was already established with 1 of the new girls that I'd be going back to her place for an after after party. All in all, I was simply burnt out due to other shit and my friend had a 3some with the other 2 girls. (Keep in mind, 1 of those 2 girls I was fooling around with, yep her and I were not dating nor was there any dating frame to cause her to not want to have a 3some with my boy and her friend)
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agentdoublej

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 Just a different way to do the same thing.Im sure someone could make a good argument for the other way.
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tgbrfv

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One any particular night where you hookup with one of the girls you invite out, how do you keep the others from feeling rejected so that they are willing to meet you again in the future?
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alienantfarm

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This post reeks of..."have not tested".

Seriously try this out, get 20 #'s, text them all, "Hey, got a dinner party on thursday, you should come" - you wanna know how many are going to show up? ZERO.

You also mention a taxi filled with 3 girls whom you've got #'s from. How many times have you actually been in this situation? Or are you just using your imagination...

So lets say ONE girl shows up to this dinner or group dining, you expect to bang her out? When? You just think it will be all magical and everyone else leaves and it's just you two at the end? Waste of time, you have no control. Let's say multiple girls show up, you're going to end up losing girls you'd otherwise close, or go home empty handed because you're a scumbag for inviting more than one girl and they find out...

The whole "tag" along thing doesn't work, first of all, girls don't want to go through the trouble of meeting your friends, and if YOUR friends are there, she'll want to bring HER friends. Congrats, you've just introduced logistical problems in pulling same night ("No, I gotta go home with my friends" - or she wont want to leave with you with her friends watching in this non-party environment).

As for the club thing, I think it's stupid to invite girls out to meet you at the club, general rule of thumb is not to do this.

I speak from experience, day2's have been the bread and butter of my sex life for a while now. First off, I don't know how you AREN'T getting sex from day2's THAT night, within 1-2 hours even. Obviously some girls won't give it up THAT night, but you should be able to get 99% of girls into bed at least - so yes sometimes it will take a day3 or day4, but it's not because you couldn't get them into bed, they just wouldn't put out / wanted to wait.

Your premise of the girl screening you on the day2 is bullshit. Assume attraction anyone? If shes actually MEETING you, it's a foregone conclusion, she is interested, she is attracted. You can pull. I usually meet with a girl, after an hour or two of getting comfy and chatting, "let's get out of here" and it's back to my place. You know how many times a girl has said no? ZERO.

I think you need to work on your day2. You are overcomplicating this shit. Day2's are extremely efficient. You and her, no friends, no loud music, no distractions.
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My personal philosophy: You need to step to every single girl like a fucking bomb. You need to have presence. You need to stand out, and not in a surface level way such as what you're wearing, but as who you are and the way in which you communicate. You need to be unforgettable. You need to create a sense of urgency, that you are now or never. You need to push and at the same time be completely willing to walk away. It is essential to disidentify with the ego, otherwise the inherent rejection associated with pickup will destroy you.

"You need to let them know what kind of man you are, so they know what kind of woman to be."
"Fear is always a constant, but accepting it...makes you stronger."
"Once you done slayed 20-30 of them hoodrats, now you ready to go up to the upper echelon type ho."
"I've got no game. And every face looks the same. They've got no name. So I don't need game to play. I just say whatever I want to whoever I want. Whenever I want, wherever I want, however I want."
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yorro

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speaking from my experience.. yes it can be pulled off. however few rules are crucial

- it's not a date. this has to be very clear. it is hanging out with different people to let loose and forget ourselves.

- invited girls should be social/open/fun.

- alcohol is a must (at least for the girls)

- the whole thing has to be about fun and fun only. the frame of everything happening there is "we're here for fun". whether it's flirting, fooling around, dancing, doing playful kissing contests.. it's not serious at all. it's just fun and that's how it MUST BE reframed to put girls at ease if any one starts feeling bad about it. as long as they see it as silly fun it's all good. obviously alcohol helps tremendously to cement that frame.

- pulling/sex happens usually at the end of the night after some girls dig you more than the rest and are very open to continue the interaction in private place. so basically the most "fun" girl is the one who you got the most chance with. of course nothing is said out loud (because of friends around) so the pull should be framed as something else like giving her (them?) some stupid reason why you and the girl should leave the hang out together.


i understand that some guys see it as bullshit cause the whole thing doesn't look like a situation that can lead to sex. but it can IF IT'S PLAYED RIGHT. it's done by introducing flirty sexy vibe to the interactions, keeping it that way and playing the "it's fun" card all the fucking time so the point that the idea of sex is planted in girls heads. you fool around more and check who's the most open (or too drunk to resist) and pull the trigger then.

i remember i was quite surprised when i did it first. it was 5 girls and 2 guys (total chodes). and we fooled around, drank, fooled around more, everything innocent, i used tim "i'm sad i need a kiss" to establish sexual vibe, i tried like 15 times to kiss girls, they giggled, fooled around more, then one of the girls literally grabbed my head puled and kissed me (with 2 other girls standing next to us) and after a few minues i kissed other one (the first girl and some other girl stood next to us). everybody laughed, were kind of drunk at that time, girls got very sexy etc. i pulled at the end.

that's probably the reason why it can be seen as kind of fake/bad idea -> at the beginning the whole thing is just fucking innocent and playful, like nothing is going to happen. but it has to be like that cause otherwise, when you got 4-10 girls and you play mr i don't give a fuck guy who goes for one girl asap then game is over. so.. distant light describes it perfectly with "it's all fun and games until someone gets fucked". that's how it looks like essentially
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#6

sucker4love

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I like day 2's. I've had sex in some crazy bitches apartments and shit got real. I'd rather screen them than them screening me haha
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alienantfarm

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I think most guys don't like day2's because:

They have no experience / little experience with them so are SUPER nervous.

They are alcohol dependent and most day2's don't involve alcohol.
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My personal philosophy: You need to step to every single girl like a fucking bomb. You need to have presence. You need to stand out, and not in a surface level way such as what you're wearing, but as who you are and the way in which you communicate. You need to be unforgettable. You need to create a sense of urgency, that you are now or never. You need to push and at the same time be completely willing to walk away. It is essential to disidentify with the ego, otherwise the inherent rejection associated with pickup will destroy you.

"You need to let them know what kind of man you are, so they know what kind of woman to be."
"Fear is always a constant, but accepting it...makes you stronger."
"Once you done slayed 20-30 of them hoodrats, now you ready to go up to the upper echelon type ho."
"I've got no game. And every face looks the same. They've got no name. So I don't need game to play. I just say whatever I want to whoever I want. Whenever I want, wherever I want, however I want."
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Distant Light

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AgentdoubleJ: This isn't for everyone...

ABCDEFG: Haha good one...If I never went out in nightlife again I'd just have dinners at my place with a bottle of wine with 2-3 girls AND I'd get a bike so I can ride around the city with 2-3 girls around midnight-1am before chillin back at my place. I honestly, think when I do get a place I'm going to do that for abit just because I think its a cool low-key way to have fun. I'd also abuse the fact of me inviting chicks to come over and watch foreign films. (Its almost routine now for me to ask chicks if they know about any foreign films)

Serpicoo: Yep! It's so funny back when I was all day2 crazy (way way back) it always felt like this elegant process that led me to pull it off. Now, its effortless although the only trap is making sure to not get lazy and start mass texting hahaha. Other than that, I've had moments where I text asking where they were at in that moment because I wanted to pre-game before hitting a friend bday party and in a matter of 2-3 texts I have address to their place and were just chillin. Other times, I've had chicks just take a taxi/train to come meet me wherever I was at.

Tgbrfv: Regardless if they hookup with me or not they're still going to have fun. Women like having "social" fun, "sexual" fun and meeting new people. They are potentially getting all three. Hooking up is only a possibility (if I want to) which is why the whole social/fun aspect is the main attraction for her rolling. There is no guarantee that any of them will be the one you bang. Also, for me personally I'm the same with all women, meaning if you seen me interacting with women you would think I was interested in EVERY chick because I treat them all the same. The line in the sand though is whether or not I full blown makeout. (I've kissed many chicks I don't like but just did it for the sake of the moment) Beyond all that, why do you care? You will have met more than enough women that regardless you would never be able to bang them all. If its one thing I learnt, what women do sometimes isn't bitchy its just a natural consequence with them having to filter due to being so high demand. I used to think alot of the stuff I do now was douchey BUT I constantly had to remind myself it is a side effect of having abundance and choice.

Alienantfarm: Hahaha, um I lost count...



It reached a point where I was alone ONLY if I actively decided not to text girls or respond to any girls. How I actually invite is different than what you assumed, its all about conveying "I'm doing this with my life, your weclome to join if you like"
-  "Any adventures tn? I'm rolling to my fav bakery with my crew come by if you want"
-  "One of my girlies has an exhibit I gotta stop by, if you wanna roll with us let me know"
-  "Out n about? I'm bout to bug out!!!!"

Everything else after is just comical and obviously YOU haven't explored this aspect at all. The community guys who've rolled with me generally narrow it down to 1-3 girls they like. I personally am all over the place doing whatever the fuck, making out back to back if I want. Who cares if you lose any girls your looking at the little picture. IN ACTUALITY, if anything they will be more inclined to hookup because they notice its not serious and no pressure...
-  I've literally brought out 2 girls I fool with, were hanging out and as one is walking off I'm making out with the other. Another night girl #1 invites out girl #2 which this time another girl I fooled around with before (she brought her husband) rolled with us. I flirt with girl #1, she's acting stupid so I shutdown as soon as she walks off I makeout with girl #2. Girl #1 bounces for whatever reason and its me and girl #2 going wild
-  One of my closest female friends, 1st time she came out with me stayed out until 530am HOPING/WAITING for me to pull. I already knew I was no longer interested and was waiting for a bootycall text. She knew I was waiting for a booty call text. This girl now is possibly the best person for me to bring out because she LOVES LOVES LOVES meeting all the girls, joining in on the fun adventures and every guy she introduced me to started off by saying "Wow, she thinks very highly of you". I've got TWO guys laid due to me introducing them to her.
-  YES!!! Let her bring friends hahaha so longs they're hot. I met a 6'2 model type through a girl I fool around with. (many girls talk about 3somes, I don't got logistics to do all that currently)
-  I brought a few girls to a dinner once and they were SHOCKED at what they came along into. It was pre-planned BUT basically we only invited model chicks with us. (one signed to VS) When one of my girls came she was in a state of trance thinking "wow, I've never seen so many beautiful people together at once". (She used to text me everyday)

Your too caught up in "gotta try and bang" when your the director of it all, just get to the point then, "5mins its off to your place 1 on 1 after party". This whole process is so your always living life while surrounded by women so you can be able to sift through them all in a fun, non-dating, comfortable environment. Like I stated, this isn't for everyone. I disliked day2s which is why its come to this alternative and I'm just passing the info along. It's too time consuming and boring for me. Usually all my day2s ended with me back at the chicks place BUT that was besides the point for me especially since I was meeting more women than I could actually day2. (When I was at my all time high at day2s it was me trying to setup day2s within the week with on average 12 different women while trying to keep a schedule in acting school) If I went back in time, ALL those women would've been invited to a weekly house party and it was highly probable for sex to occur. (Heck, classmate almost had a potential 3some if he didn't get royally plastered)

Yorro: Solid stuff, especially with the "only here to have fun"...

When everyone is having fun, no one really cares but generally it is a discreet pull because everyone is just having fun and isn't even worried about all that. I once seen a guy who's with a girl he liked that was all over me and he's checking over his shoulder left then right every 15secs to make sure her and I wasn't making out.

Any girl who rolls with me on a tuesday is almost guaranteed to do something haha. It's the only time you'll see gay dude crushing it with other gay guys in the vicinity, a tranny that bugs out always and lots of hot bisexual women doing whatever the fuck. I'm usually the only straight guy in the group and they ALWAYS love the women I let come along. I've done some shit in those clubs on those nights hahahaha.

Just noticed my quote at the end of your post and burst out laughing because I wasn't expecting to read that. Like your experience though its EXACTLY how it looks and its also why people think I'm abit fucked in a good way because I don't allow ANY drama just have fun and do what you want.

Alienantfarm: I'd agree many community dudes never attempt it due to lack of experience BUT...

The whole frame is still abit tricky since essentially its a date which potentially leads to THE BIG THING. When a chick has a date its almost like "O boy, I just my be having sex". It then turns into a very uptight, stuffy situation which the experienced guys know to clear that vibe out instantly by setting the tone. Not doing day2s makes them come into your life which there is already a tone within your life that is set. In my case, "its fun fun fun til you die die die so if you got any drama/issues leave it at the door with your shoes."

P.S...I think I've got crazier due to hanging with really cool lesbians and bi sexual dudes because they just have a blast with a massive sexual flare. One thing I never forgot, bi-sexual friend had bounced us to a clique type bar with 3 girls and then 5mins later texted me to come back out into a cab. I'm there saying "wait, what about the girls?" and he stated "Babe, I don't wait for no ever anymore, I learnt a long time ago to just do you...Give them a chance to come if they don't get with the program I just continue without them". Words can't describe how women respond to his personality.

I think I got crazier as I started hanging with really cool lesbians and bi sexual dudes because they just have a blast with a sexual flare. It's those people who expanded my awareness in terms of fun and sex.
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nerdmack

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Day 2 is the first date.

Some people want a relationship. Gotta date to do that.
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Sky N

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 Keep dropping knowledge distant light! Just like everything else that has ever been shared here, some people are going to find uses for it and others wont. Its all good...Also how the hell did you get your hair like that bro it's tight.
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