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April 17th, 2014
Core principles of RSD
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Johalf

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Join Date: 11/20/2011 | Posts: 48

 So if you read my first thread I stated I used old school RSD to get a pretty damn good success-rate, however I still see Tyler talking about this "new stuff being the shit". Ive searched thru the forum, looked at the articles and yet havent found anything thats "down to earth" and CORE principles, all I see is things like "be the gorilla",  "be congruent",  "be yourself",  "you are enough",  "get in state",  "dont get in state",  "dont care about state",  "State is what determines if you get the girl or not",  "be dominant",  "be low key",  "extreme self love",  "no ego"...

Yeah u get the point, I see a massive amount of concepts, many of them just RENAMED differently, and many completely contradicting with eachother.


But what are the core concepts then? What are the core inner concepts that you should take into consideration and develop? If Im gonna consider this shit I need some STRAIGHT FORWARD CONCEPTS, not "be yourself"  or "you are enough" and stuff thats so vague.

Do you guys have that? If so, what are these concepts?
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Phelim

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Johalf wrote:
 ...many completely contradicting with each other...

It may be b/c each RSD guy has a unique game, but expresses the elements of his style as if they were universal principles. The broad principles are universal, eg, congruency, giving value, etc. Tactics are specific to each guy, eg, buying/not buying a girl a drink, etc.

PS - 'Be yourself' is pretty good advice when (1) properly understood, and (2) implemented by a guy that's got his life on track.
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Johalf

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Part of being a good teacher is to FIND the CORE principes that makes it all WORK and then how to DELIVER THESE in a way that people can easily understand. Thats not what Ive seen on here, even i people have different "styles" there are still principles thats always there that makes it all work. Ive yet to understand these cause it doesnt seem to be anything that summarises them all into 4-8 principles to follow, but just vague stuff contradicting.

If Im gonna give this nuRSD stuff a shot again I fucking demand to have principles that are easy to understand to follow, else Ill just continue doing what Im doing.
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Johalf wrote:
 ...many completely contradicting with each other...

It may be b/c each RSD guy has a unique game, but expresses the elements of his style as if they were universal principles. The broad principles are universal, eg, congruency, giving value, etc. Tactics are specific to each guy, eg, buying/not buying a girl a drink, etc.

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Tyler

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I've got a sweet list I've been using for the Foundations: Reloaded seminar that I'll post when I get onto my other computer.

But hey man to reiterate from before, if you're getting great results using the older ideas I think that's cool as fuck and keep going with it.

Tyler 
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maximal

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Many of the principles, theories, etc. espoused by RSD are based in cold, hard fact, such as the aspects relating to evolutionary psychology.  Just as many of the concepts, however (and especially the ones related to your mindset and how you feel), are less rigid in terms of their validity from person to person.

You can provide evidence for the former, but the only proof that you'll ever see of the latter is the effect that it takes in the people with whom the ideas resonate.  Some people have a lot of trouble "getting into state," and so it's helpful for them to actively work on their ability to pump themselves up.  Other people will only end up mindfucking themselves out of state if they think about it, so it's better for them to ignore state altogether.  Some people are not comfortable expressing themselves, so it is beneficial for them to practice conveying value while they're out talking to people.  Others are on the other end of that continuum and wind up trying too hard to express how great they are, so they might need to hear different advice, like "not even trying not to try."

As much objective information as there is about how attraction works, it has to be flexible in order to be usable for different people who are at different stages in their game.  It's mostly to do with what information and advice will give an individual what he needs to believe that he can do this, which will then lead him to take action and figure out the rest from there.  Some people need to hear one thing, others need to hear something completely different.  More than anything, the effect that RSD's programs are designed to imbue in people is a willingness to take action towards the things they want without fear of failure.  It just so happens that many guys are very, very afraid of failing with women, so it's easier for them to opt out of the game rather than risk looking like a dumbass.  RSD is designed to get people to a point in which they can see the metaphorical light at the end of the tunnel, which will give them the resolve and courage necessary to push forward and learn this game through thick and thin.  No matter what ideas are being expressed through RSD's books, instructors and programs, they all pale in comparison to actual experience when it comes to solving guys' problems with women.  However, a lot of these ideas are designed to light a fire under your ass so that you can get the leverage necessary to actually go out there and DO IT.

Tolle's "signpost" analogy applies perfectly here.  No matter what pickup theory you're using, no matter whose ideas you're reading, they're all intended to get you to a certain state of mind.  There are many different paths to this state of mind, and none of them are objectively wrong or right.  Most every individual's path varies from every other's in some way.  That's why so many of RSD's instructors have styles that completely contrast with one-another.  You just need to find what resonates with you and gives you that fire in your belly to go out and figure out your game.
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Delasoul

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Join Date: 08/19/2011 | Posts: 314

I love the fact I bought the blueprint and flawless natural and thought I knew everything for like a year, then two weeks ago I watched foundations and have been getting better results than the previous 9 months lol
Tyler wrote:
I've got a sweet list I've been using for the Foundations: Reloaded seminar that I'll post when I get onto my other computer.

But hey man to reiterate from before, if you're getting great results using the older ideas I think that's cool as fuck and keep going with it.

Tyler 
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Johalf

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Join Date: 11/20/2011 | Posts: 48

Seems like you have had the same experience like me.

I made another thread here on rsdnation where I wrote how I got shit-results from studying nuRSD for 1.5 years, then I went back to old school pickup and fucked lots of girls the coming year, yet people say that "the new shit is the best" but when I look for the "new shit" all I see is contradictions and deep inner game concepts that are so vague and hard to understand.

Cant wait for that list btw.
Delasoul wrote:
I love the fact I bought the blueprint and flawless natural and thought I knew everything for like a year, then two weeks ago I watched foundations and have been getting better results than the previous 9 months lol
Tyler wrote:
I've got a sweet list I've been using for the Foundations: Reloaded seminar that I'll post when I get onto my other computer.

But hey man to reiterate from before, if you're getting great results using the older ideas I think that's cool as fuck and keep going with it.

Tyler 

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