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May 24th, 2013
Disturbin' London (Road to Mastery)
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Andre~

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Thursday

Hit the club with Chris, Pringles and Viktor (from Chode's night out). It was a good night, looking back its hard to remember what happened. There was a lot of dancing and grinding with cute girls, i forced a makeout from one cutie but most of the night i was 'permission boy' with the uber hotties. Like Pringles saw me approach this stunna in a red dress, kept her interested for a bit but what it took was for me to really CUT THRU THE BS and cement myself in her reality, "YO BITCH no touching the HAT!!" (i was wearing the fedora again).

Friday


Chris, Goran and Pringles out with me tonight - hit up the same venue as the night before. We're out there owning it, i realize i'm getting a slight dependency on Prings to open up sets so i go in and wing afterward; although we beast hard i still need to do this shit independently when he ain't around. I see a small cutie, EC then instant makeout. I savour it for a few minutes and molest her a little (squeezing her ass and tits). I'm gonna go commando on some nights next week so i get easy access for a handjob. I motorboat some other chick, she gets super horny and directs my hand to her pussy, tits etc. while she's with her hot dark haired friend and other friend who are all grinding on me. Fun fun fun. I haven't been this much of a sexual beast in a long time; i like molesting chicks shamelessly in the club, it's crazy.

After reading distant light's latest post i think ill work on a few things to intensify my interactions like:

1) Selective hearing - playful, sexual misinterpretations out of anything!!
2) Screen screen screen; i am not approaching her, i'm 'screening' her. My time is more valuable - i will assert my boundaries more often as well.
3) I've been pre-warning girls a lot before i try makeout with them, gonna stop doing this and just go with the flow - stick to the good ole triangular gaze
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Andre~

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I don't think i'm holding myself to learning from my mistakes made in every single set; i'm floundering along, doing my nights out but not intellectually understanding where i could improve in every single set. That's one of the major reasons i go sober when out, that and because i'm poor.

With a 2 set on Friday i went up directly to the hottie, "omg you're amazing", grab her in and completely ignore the friend during the process so obviously the friend wants to break it up and says to me "well you're not" i tell her to go off and die. If i made both of them feel comfortable "you guys are amazing!" and hugged them both it might've went down better, eh.

My warm up sets at the beginning of the night are just like my last sets of the night - too inflexible, not enough amusement for myself. I'm not actively executing the stuff i learned from Julien's hotseat either. Sex doesn't matter, neither does her opinion of you or what time of the night it is. Just amuse myself, egoless and deal with the consequences after. Like, i was speaking with a really hot chinese girl by the bar in the club while pringles was with the friend. I was STALE.

Me: Hey whats your name
Her: Teresa
(thinking of something funny to say, St. Teresa's was the first thing that came to my head, it's a school near where i live. Instead i hop to the next chode question when all i needed was the first thing that came into my head - say it, get her reacting and then calibrate)
Me: Cool. I'm Andre. Where are you from?
Her: Hong kong
Me: I like Chinese movies (whisper in her ear)
Her: Cool (slight smile)
Me: What do you do
Her: I'm a lawyer
(first thing that came in my head was the movie Liar Liar. Instead i say nothing and nod my head with a chode friendly smile)
Her: What about you
Me: I'm a student. I do English literature
Her: Oh right

She excuses herself. WTF? How much fun was I having here? None. There's so much room in that dialogue for vomiting random shit and dealing with consequences after. Just improvise and get her reacting. Fuck the outcome. Fuck it. This is the way i interact with girls who i don't give a shit about, so why did i feel the need to give a shit with some stranger? You need tests, touch, and to talk for seduction. That's all. I'm avoiding the important tests by being a socially conditioned pussy.

Another situation to improve on - FORCING THE PULLING MINDSET. A girl makes out with me in seconds. We go meet her friends, then go to the dancefloor again. I'm kissing her and shit but then decide to go back to the boys, i tell her ill be back later knowing fully well i won't. Why? Inertia. I just wanted the makeout. Then that's all ill get. Why didn't i lead her outside or to the bar or anywhere? I didn't feel comfortable spending too much time with her and her friends. This mindset is lame and can only hold me back.

I'm not getting face to face with girls when talking these days as well; ill get physical, claw em in but ill whisper in their ear too much so they can hear me. Lazy!! That doesn't give me the all important EC i want. Leave the whispering for when its necessary.
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Andre~

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D-D-D-Daygame 26/06/12

Hot day out in London. I decide to head out and hit up some chicas bonitas while looking for a j.o.b

Takes me a while to approach, i'm rationalizing that a lot of the chicks aren't hot enough - this is just me being stupid after doing too much night game and expecting girls to be dressed all slutty in the day! Not gonna happen mister...so i rule myself out of a dozen above average looking chicks who i know i'd be on at the club.

The first girl i approach is this cutie with freckles and a coloured fringe - ahhhh, recognise her from the club last Thursday. We have a long talk, like 15-20 mins, some friends from college see her. They come, then leave. I'm just chillin, strong EC most of the time. She says her and her friends called me Ne-yo at the club cause of my hat lol anywayz i take her number

I'm in good state after speaking to her - stop a 6ft model. Her name's Rosie

Me: Rosie Posie. A pocket full of roses...i ain't got that, but i've got a pocket full of cashews (jiggles bag full of nuts in my hand)
Her: LOL what?
Me: How old are you?
Her: Guess
Me: Old enough to like butter
Her: I'm not even going to respond to that
Me: How tall are you
Her: 6 foot
Me: I love that shit (big smile)

I was saying complete nonsense but i didn't matter cause i honestly felt good. Should've shown a bit more empathy and went 'real' with her but i got outcome dependent for a moment and asked for the number. It was miscalibrated. I tried getting her attention back on me, she was drifting off to Topman at this point and then some fuckin Abercrombie and Fitch model scouts bombard her. I tell them to go away coz im talking to her, then i stupidly ask some chick if they're hiring. My girl listens for a bit, then says "ill leave you two to talk". I yell my girl's name, she smiles then goes into the shop. Maybe i should've followed and persisted instead of talking to the model scout.

I stop another model - 6'1. Stunning. Ukranian. She's with her friend. I'm not in a good flow state so i lose 'em eventually.

Hit up some more girls then call it a day once it starts raining.

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Acknowledgments

1) I feel relaxed around very hot chicks, especially models. Give me half a chance with a hottie and i can have a good interaction. Still got a LONG way to go though.
2) I got the model chick reacting to what i was saying by holding my frame well, i.e. serious and playful expressions
3) I went out solo and had fun for a couple of hours
4) Work on pacing and tonality some more
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Andre~

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Ok, had prom/boat trip last night, not many people came cause we have a really small year group (class). A few girls looked hot - i haven't really been interacting with much of these people on a intimate level this year cause i was retaking my courses so i didn't feel totally at home. One girl i wanted to get with i was just being a pussy and not making it clear enough that i had plans to fuck her. At the end of the night i leave my friends, one of them says i should wait for the girl cause her friend has left (note: me not creating initiative but someone else is for me). I wait for her, she comes to me - completely apathetic. I look for IOI's like a chode. The only IOI you need is for the girl to be right in front of you. I'm just super chill about everything, even when she says i can't hangout with hers cause she's bringing some friends round who i don't know. I leave her, feeling indifferent to it all, and then today i read Julien's article on 'how to psychotically have a girl hooked to you' and realise i've fuckin desensitized myself WAY too much over the last two years, maybe it's cause of Tolle and spirituality but i don't express a wide range of emotions enough. Like, not just as a gimmick in the field but just as a normal man on his purpose, as Deida would describe it. I should've called that bitch out on being a brat, and not respecting me enough to invite me round her house - i should've got mad, got serious and laid down the law. I whined passively to her about it actually - the result was....more apathy. With hot bitches, actually most bitches, they respond to strong emotions!! Not just the funny, happy chill guy i always try to be or even the dick i try faking to be.

If you're honestly pissed off, but in my case you're feeling a bit peeved, then express this to a girl, blow it out of portion and watch them scramble and apologize to you/qualify themselves and try to placate you. It happened this night when a girl tried asking me for drinks cause i know her BF and she knows i'm an on/off promoter. I told her not to use me for drinks, and said she has barely spoken to me the whole year. She started scrambling. Key thing here is that i need to be more vulnerable - it's the reason why going out doesn't feel as euphoric as it once did when i started. I just have to tap into my emotions more and have more fun this way.

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I want to work on...

1) Selective hearing
2) Escalating without any IOI's, just striking whenever i feel like it - my longer sets usually come to nothing cause i never escalate and turn myself into a gay friend
3) Be the emotional drug dealer. Be vulnerable. Have fun with the 'romantic roleplay'.
4) Be less chill. Know when to lay down the law and strap on the big boy pants
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Andre~

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Goooooood night. I did almost everything i've been telling myself to do for the past few weeks.

Hit the club with pringles, and he's a good guy to be around. It just reminded that whatever you do, you need to know you're bringing the party with girls; it doesn't mean you're a jumping jellybean moron. It's just that you're dictating what's going on/sculpting the vibe of the interaction.

Started the night by making out with some Northern chick, i was just rambling on ripping into her, then she was like "are you gonna start talking", i just said "yes, shut up and kiss me", madeout with her, she's a sloppy kisser. I don't like.

We bounced from group to group, it was a small venue with a select few of hotties in there but we had fun anyway. Spoke to some americanas, my one was cute and from NY. I take the piss out of her when she says her nanny was jamaican, and say that her nanny stuffed weed under her pillow and that her first word on the baby monitor must've been weed lol we have a slow sexy grind later, it lasts for long, i should've isolated and went for the makeout cause her 4 friends were watching the whole time and one eventually took her away from me.

Once we burned the venue to the ground we hit our favourite venue, and stood outside the smoking area gaming. I watched pringles for a bit, and realized that our game is pretty similar actually - fun vibe, big smiles. Exaggerate shit, call girls out on little things. Take the piss out of them, show them your loving side and so on. It's just that i've been forgetting a lot of the fundamentals going out so much, you need to relearn the most important ones. While prings is chatting up a cute french chick, i talk to 3 attractive girls next to me - "my friend's hitting on that girl, so i'm bored. What's up?" set opens wide. I'm on the sexiest one, she has a bit of attitude, it's nuthen to a G though so i pull her hair and tell her i know all the pressure points in the human body, trained in martial arts so she shouldn't mess with me. She thinks i'm on coke lol they go back in later, i miss my night bus later, see her and her 5 friends on the way to the bus stop. It's a bit of struggle but i get her number while she's just getting on the bus.

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Acknowledgments

- Was the bossdaddy with chicks, the vibe you want is to be slightly insulting but playful kinda
- Drew state from within/had my own fun
- In big groups i still acted thru my own intentions and wasn't mr social like i've been in the past, but could be a bit naughty with the girl i was interested in
- Open with anything; your spontaniety and fun factor builds throughtout the night, it gets more and more ridiculous
- Remember to have the 'bubble of love' between you two, i should use more future events projections just to romance the girls more
- Lead. Isolate: still don't do this enough. At all to be honest.
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Andre~

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Handed out some CV's again today, and did some daygizzle to pass the time. Approached like 4 chicks.

One was standing outside Topman. I ask her if she's Swedish. I can feel myself being too logical and slightly, very slightly hesitant when speaking to her (whenever this happens it tends to get worse if i don't snap my state into something more playful), so i start joking around and tell her to take me to Spain cause she's from there. I say i'm booking flights for two tomorrow. Her english ain't too good so she doesn't get all of what i'm saying, but this was a good way of ridding away my nerves. Her friend comes, she mutters "who is this guy", i instantly introduce myself to avoid any bullshit. I tell her i want her number, she's gotta BF.

Within a minute i'm on to the next one, this hot dark haired chick in a sleek black dress named Rose. She's pulling along luggage and is about to cross the road, i shoot the shit with her, get into my comfort zone by bullshitting a lot. She asks me if i do this a lot, and says that i'm very confidence. I flopped here by agreeing with her, and enjoying the validation - one should stay cool whether it's good or bad appraisal of your character. Their opinion doesn't matter, that's why Owen says "naw i'm a shy man" lol it's funnier, plus you're not playing into her frame.

Anyway, we bop to the station, i take her luggage down cause it looks heavy; i just felt like doing it. I ask her where her BF is, cause she seemed too...friendly. She says at home. Shoot, knew it! I bid her farewell.

See a hot blonde pacing down the sidewalk. I grab her arm, she screams in my face. I stay cool, and rant at her for being a mad woman, who's impolite and shouldn't be acting like this in broad daylight. It's funny as fuck when you flip the switch on these hoez. She's getting more and more comfortable with me as we walk along, i can feel it. However...BF card gets played! urghh.

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Acknowledgments


1) I'm more conscious over my emotions and know when to snap my state into something better for the interaction
2) Girls are more comfortable with me when i'm fully expressing myself
3) I'm better at turning potentially 'awkward' situations into something funny for myself
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Andre~

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29/06/12

Total-blowout-night! A lot of hotties in the venue, and i couldn't believe but EVERY DAMN CHICK HAD A BF. They weren't even lying, it got to the point where i felt that fury inside me and clawed chicks in grilling them saying "i don't give a fuck if you have a BF i want you", most of these hotties were instantly attracted the moment i did that just cause it was funny. But it pissed me off how crazy it was tonight. I had this sexy blonde sitting down on the couch at her table, went up to her and told her not to be texting in my club. She smiled, then i grilled her about a BF, turned out she had one as well! I stayed super strong in set, even when her friends were telling me to go away, sticking the middle finger up at me, screaming BF all the time. She liked me, wanted me bad, but i tried every trick in the book with this one to no avail.

Went in hard with more hotties, the night's rejections were getting frustrating. In a sense it was good for me, cause i was expressing how angry i was right off the bat with chicks - that vulnerability i was talking about in earlier posts was shining through. Some chick spilled her drink on me, i berated the fuck out of her tall spanish ass, telling her to go die and shit. I meant it playfully but the girl was super sucked into my reality, eventually i lost her and some chode spanish friend pulled her back in.

I probably have to tone down the physicality now, and not be so excited - when there's girls looking sooooo tasty all you wanna do is grab them on every inch of their body. I'll focus on physical rapport.

I was tired as fuck and only had 4 hours sleep, but i soldiered thru tonight like a bawse.

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Acknowledgments

1) Persisted in sets with turbos
2) Approached nearly every hottie without hesitation
3) Definitely wasn't the permission boy tonight and was widely expressive
4) Could've done with more 'selective hearing' and shit like that, just to have more fun
5) Getting physical is good, but i've noticed that whenever Pringles or Goran do it they take a little breather and give the girl some space after a while. It's called Fragmentation brah
6) Forced a makeout on a hottie and licked several girls

Oh, and on thursday me and prings approached the pornstar Madison Ivy - she's so tiny; a dirty girl too, she had her BF around.

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Andre~

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I've turned 19 today, and looking back on the past 365 days it's been interesting to see my growth. I've blamed the lack of lays on factors like poor logistics, going for the hottest girls, the labour of learning game to begin with; but there's definitely more positives than negatives which i acknowledge over the last year.

I've met more attractive girls than i could dream of in my adolescence, became more calmer under social pressure and have more inkling of my sense of self.

I've met a lot of cool guys from the community, and it's been eye opening to see their different styles of game and how it influences my own. And i give credit to myself for plowing through the high end venues in London and cracking into it strong.

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Right now i think i should work on what Alex has just spoken about in his latest article: unwinding and putting an emphasis on locking onto that 'DTF' set for the night. I'm gonna commit myself to working on longer, and more solid interactions which span for a while with hotties.

I'll focus on 'physical rapport' more instead of using it as a crutch, like in the last post i spoke about how i get too grabby too soon with the hotties out of excitement. I'll take my time more and relax.

I like what Alex said here in his 'physical rapport' video a couple of months ago:

When I start the conversation there is shoulder tap and handshake. During the interaction there will be physcial expressions for sure (more intense interaction) but otherwise it's more social interaction, not BOOM interaction. Game based on keeping the set going, not getting their attention with moves.

My escalation is calibrated to the energry of the environment, so in a danceclubs its going to be a lot more agressive. But most of the cold approaching is doing in conversational situations where strong frame, good endurance of tests, a good vibe and eye contact are enough + time works.

When you are learning - like I mentioned in the article - you need to explore the extent of physical edcaltion so you can know how to use it and when. Thn you use it sparingly for better effect.

Alex~


So i'll calibrate to the situation a lot more, i.e. on the dancefloor a good claw is needed, but it's best to slow down the escalation at some point to be more 'normal' and let her game me. I'll stick around the bar more after 3-5 sets, chill and talk to chicas. I'll also tilt my head more for strong EC, just to have clearer intent and incorporate cooooool slowwww pauses to pace the conversation.

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Anyway, my year's goals are to:

- Commit myself to bass guitar (I've hired a bass tutor for Friday's which is awesome)
- Go deeper with game, and get a solid social circle in Uni
- Continue learning Spanish daily
- Ace my end of year exams (I'm taking English Literature, so it's a matter of continually reading, expanding my knowledge and so on)
- Start up boxing and get back in the gym
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Andre~

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Solo Sober Champ!!!



Had the Thursday night all to myself tonight, the guys were at a 21+ which i couldn't get into it, even after sweet talkin the bouncer.

I go to my regular on my solo dolo; not a ton of people here today, a sparse amount of hotties. I immediately speak to two blondes at the bar; they're standoffish eastern euro girls. They're awkward, so i know there's no point sticking around for too long. It was just momentum. I've got the dancing bug all the time, so i'm bustin out some moves to a couple of songs to pass the time. Whereas before i would've done this to avoid approaching, NOW it's purely for fun. Like...i'm actually addicted to dancing, even tho i'm not terribly good at it :)

I have a little dance off with this cutie in red. Probably should've went in for the makeout or something, hmm.

Then there's this cute serious looking spanish girl with a group of friends standing next to me. I tease her on looking so serious, and mimic her arms crossed around her chest. She's a cool chick, and a fun girl to be around. We're cracking jokes and stuff, but i remember not to fall into the 'friend' frame, so i'm lightly escalating and talking smack to her the same time. She's got a 'slut' male friend who's probably fucked her or gonna fuck her soon, cause he's kissing her neck at times. She likes him but not in a BF way, i can tell. I just go in to kiss her neck, get rejected, do it again later and she lets me.This was an example of a long healthy set for me, where there was some 'me and her' vibe going on, not that overt but i wasn't a dickless chode. She's goes outside to smoke anyway.

I hit on some sexy chick walking by, grab her name as she smiles and walks off somewhere. Next, i see probably the hottest girl in the club, she's wearing a sexy revealing shirt that exposes her skin kinda. A turbo blonde. I tap her shoulder, she's sitting on the VIP couch. She tells me her name, i tell her to escape from the VIP right now! She smiles and doesn't say anything...these girls need EXPLOSIVE game before they fall in line. I fluffed it up by telling her i hate her for being so sexy. She kinda loses interest at that point and shuffles away, especially when her two friends interrupt - girls who i had spoken to earlier at the bar who were being kinda aloof.

I'm still feeling great - i never feel down in the club, my emotional bassline is almost always consistent. Just normal and happy.

I stop a girl with one of those sexy mosaic skin tight dresses on. Point at her, "You!", and claw in. She's a bit surprised but introduces herself, her friend sees this and assumes i know her. I quickly suggest we all go outside to talk. We do so and all three of us having a fucking great conversation. Cool chicks, they're my age. I make sure i'm gaming both of them, like subtly flirting during the interaction. They've got more friends with them so going back to their place wouldn't really work out. After 30 mins of chatting they get me VIP access, and i have a ball. They leave within 5 minutes though, after i take their numbers and everything. Two fuckable chicks, ill just have to decide which one to go for.

I hit up some brunette hottie in the VIP, she's a flirt. Pushes me away whenever i get too much, but likes the attention. I tease her and shit but this ain't going anywhere.

I leave the club, feeling very proud of myself for going out by myself and sticking it out for 3 hours while having a blast. Solo timez are better than going out with wings to be honest. So any guys reading this should do it, just to know what i mean.

ANYWAY, got my first bass guitar lesson in an hour or so....gonna be the next FLEA soon :D
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Acknowledgments

1) Challenged myself going out solo and did well
2) Didn't pull the trigger enough with 'flirty' chicks. I was hesistant to be fully polarizing with them when needed.
3) I was waiting for the bus and asked a stunning spanish chick in tight jeans w/friend if my bus came - i knew i wanted more from the interaction, but i didn't feel entitled enough. She was friendly as well.
4) Saw some old gals from high school times, i'd done some dopey beasting on them in the past, and freaked them out in isolated incidents. I was just so cool, normal and socially attuned when i bumped into one before the club and one after, all i did was hold strong EC, spoke slow and didn't say anything stupid. This is all it takes in Uni for lays i'm guessing.
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 Cool stuff, camden was pretty good aswell, it was alot emptier than usual which asyou can imagine is a great thing,

Also check this post out: http://www.rsdnation.com/node/234283/forum
Watch the top video first then the second
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