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December 8th, 2016
Avoiding the shtick
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Dr Feelgood

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So the two polar opposites are these:

1. Having (approach) anxiety, but therefore comong across real

2. Not giving a shit about the girls and the approaches, but therefore coming off as unnatural and gamey (= not caring about that specific girl)

In the second case, a girl will notice, and she will feel like the 15th girl you have hit on that night - well, she is! Basically, you go from 1 to 2 over the course of the night, as you approach more and more sets. It's always very clear to me when my opener ("Hey, you are cute, who are you?") has come across naturally and when artificially, and I see the according reaction immediately. This is the same thing Tyler has been talking about a lot recently, oftentimes calling it congruency.

But how can you approach a lot and still avoid putting on that gamey and sticky schtick? Solutions like mixing up your canned shit a little bit, and also approching girls you are very attracted to come to my mind.

Any other suggestions, thoughts, general input on this one?
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Turok

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uh ya dude your asking how to have sick game and the solution is condition it over years.  Being an approach machine while being real = being a fucking beast.  I know exactly what your talking about here where its easier to hit up girl after girl with sort of a shtick because after some shit fizzles out you don't necessarily FEEL like immediately talking to that next girl from your core, but "gamer dude" has no problem doing this because its part of the bullshit personality we sometimes hide behind.  My solution is to take a second to genuinely connect with my physical attraction for her on more of a visceral level before going in and let that fuel me...and ya hotter girls seems to help (though if you are somewhat intimidated by her that will come across even if you are being real, you won't get blown out but you won't fuck her.  Not much you can do about that for the time being).  IMO this is a good question to be asking it means you're seeing shit correctly
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Dr Feelgood

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Thanks for that comment, and yeah, accepting it for that time being seems like solid advice. Let your sense of entitlement grow over time!

Extra second sounds good, yeah, I thought so. Gonna do this even more conciously next time - to the verge of approach anxiety coming up, ha ha! Just balance this shit.





Turok wrote:
I know exactly what your talking about here where its easier to hit up girl after girl with sort of a shtick because after some shit fizzles out you don't necessarily FEEL like immediately talking to that next girl from your core, but "gamer dude" has no problem doing this because its part of the bullshit personality we sometimes hide behind. 
I think this is the problem of many newbies once they have learned to approach like machines - they do it now, but they hide behind that bullshit personality in order to be able to take those rejections. The solution is to put yourself on the line WHOLE-HEARTEDLY!
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Try not being expressive on purpose. Relax all your facial muscles, drop all your outer behaviours and micro managing. No speaking in BR tonality, be lazy. Talk to her like you would adress a shop clerk. Totally neutral. Just focus on your message, be completely careless with the delivery.

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Dr Feelgood

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The problem with this is just if you go overboard with it, this is called a complete chode! This is the high-wire act we are talking about.

Still gotta keep the vibe sexual, for example, at least for most gaming styles..
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I think just being aware of it if it creeps up and fixing it.

Shtick is actually probably a sign that you a "warming up" wrong out of approach anxiety. Or trying OVERLY hard to get girls to like you instead of being more chill. 

Aslong as you're approaching girls you genuinely find attractive (and since you're direct) there should be no problem with a shtick. 
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Dr Feelgood wrote:
So the two polar opposites are these:

1. Having (approach) anxiety, but therefore comong across real

2. Not giving a shit about the girls and the approaches, but therefore coming off as unnatural and gamey (= not caring about that specific girl)

In the second case, a girl will notice, and she will feel like the 15th girl you have hit on that night - well, she is! Basically, you go from 1 to 2 over the course of the night, as you approach more and more sets. It's always very clear to me when my opener ("Hey, you are cute, who are you?") has come across naturally and when artificially, and I see the according reaction immediately. This is the same thing Tyler has been talking about a lot recently, oftentimes calling it congruency.

But how can you approach a lot and still avoid putting on that gamey and sticky schtick? Solutions like mixing up your canned shit a little bit, and also approching girls you are very attracted to come to my mind.

Any other suggestions, thoughts, general input on this one?
I think if your doing it "right" she wont feel like the 15th girl of the night.  I think your problem with #2 is the whole thing about "not caring about the specific girl", I dont see it as a  direct link to not giving a shit (its more like not giving a shit about the outcome, instead of not caring about the girl as a person).  Talking to girls your attracted to is key (why wouldn't you?).   Maybe start the momentum of the night by approaching anything and who cares if your coming off gamey. Then as you get going only approach the ones you really want and let your intent compliment your momentum.  
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Anybody else?
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Get clear on what it is you want. This breeds strong intent, assuming you want to fuck the girl. Go hard for the pull, either you get her or it wasn't going to work out either way.

Change the focus from your "game" to the girl you want.
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