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May 24th, 2013
A kid gets bullied and rejected at school, rejection doesnt help him to become cool ! Why is pickup any different ?
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Jarno

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This is my biggest fear, you guys say rejection helps you not caring what people think and i can find myself in that !

But a kid at school who gets bullied and rejected probably kills himself cuz his self-esteem and status whatever only decreases..
Why is pickup different, why do you think failing and getting rejected help you to get MORE confident ?

Is it in the mindset ..?
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justadude

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Didn't you notice there are less and less rsdnation members? It's because they killed themselves dude they got rejected to much.
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Waywardson

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Do chicks come up and reject you when you have not even talked to them? This is a bad comparison...and it does not make sense. It is more of something that is practiced and yes rejection will make you stronger.
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 Another classic Jarno thread....
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You just took 5 different concepts and confused them into one.

Yes, cool, self esteem, confidence, not caring what other people think of you, and status are all intermingled, but you literally just threw them together and the result is...  Ridiculous.

You need to clarify your question, and clarify your understanding of these concepts.

Without breaking each one down, I'll suffice it to say that by going up to women, taking action, and having them reject you, the goal is to stop idenitfying with her reaction, and start identifying with the process, with the action of taking action.

You go up, talk to her, who gives a shit how she responds, you are proud of yourself for going for what you want, and that is what builds self esteem.

The same thing could happen for the kid at school.  Does that mean he is instantly going to be considered cool, stop caring what others think, upgrade his social status????

That's a completely different question.

IN TIME he can develop those other things through the process of rejection, but again...  It's a completely different question.
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Because the kid at schools sees his rejection as a rejection on a personal level, he gets bullied without asking for it. Our rejection is a result of a miscalibrated action and can therefore be seen as a step towards mastery on the learning curve. It is not about getting rejected that grows you into a more confident person, it is about removing the emotional attachement to rejection. 
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 Rejection in school = your position among your peers is affected, you lose social status and get bullied more and ignored by girls.  Being an outcast in school = death.  Same at home - if your parents reject you, you're out on the street homeless and starving..  So you scramble to avoid it at all costs.

Thats WHY we build this association of rejection = pain - because rejection from your parents or peers in school DID lead to pain that you couldnt escape from.

So why does rejection in pickup build confidence? Because you learn the lesson that RANDOM REJECTION FROM STRANGER IN CLUB has no impact on your life 3 seconds after it's happened.  The more you do that the more you realise that, as an adult, rejection doesnt mean unavoidable pain.  You learn in fact that as an adult, it actually has NO consequences for your quality of life.
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dumb question. the kid doesnt know any of this information about pick up as a path to possibly gain self confidence etc.  all this information explains to you shit the kid has no idea about it
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In RSD you learn that you are enough, no matter where you are at. You learn not to identify with your past, thougts and other stuff, that you can draw state from within.
You learn that even though you get rejected, it is not forever, and it is not who you are. Your behavior gets rejected, which people do naturally when you are chody. Doesn't mean you are a chode, it is just your minds reactions to reality which cause you to behave in a certain way. You know that you don't lack anything to be able to pull Jennifer Lopez. You can build your own reality and you get a map of how the world works in which you have value (which is a self fulfilling prophecy).

The bullied kid at school does not build his own new reality and is not trying to improve himself. He tries to live up to standards he cannot live up to or has no values at all which makes him automatically needy for approval of others. When he gets rejected he feels like shit, and he stays feeling like shit because he thinks he is too low value, for ever. He has a distorted world view in which he cannot live up to society's rules. He is not drawing state from within at all.

When you know RSD you wil stilll feel like shit when you get rejected, but you know the principles of drawing state from within. You might not be able to do it yet, but you are on a journey towards it. You force yourself after a while to draw state from within and to create a new set of values and identity, one made by yourself rather than one made by society, after realizing how stupid the shit is you get fed.
Then you get reference experiences, you will expand your comfort zone which will ultimately make you stronger.
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Thanks for the reactions !
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It's about desensitisation, not about actually making you cool. It's about making you realise it's not a big deal.
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