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Is it healthy to totally stop masturbating ?
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Zeniues wrote:

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By the way i'm not going to watch porn anymore during my two week jerks, only youtube vids or pictures or a story or whatever ! "



This wont do you any good. just cause the woman is not naked doesnt mean its not porn. Your brain cant tell the difference. is all stimulation. Its like going on a nicatine patch trying to quite a pack a day habit. You might be cutting down the stimulation but more often than not the nicotine patches dont do people much good.

The root of the problem is how you let yourself start entertaining dirty thoughts and then you start getting off of it, then your mind thinks that in order for you relax you need to masterbate. You gotta watch your thoughts. Awareness is the answer. awareness of the moment your thought turns to porn or sexual thought. As soon as you become aware that your mind is on a sexual thought you have to let it go. practice makes it easier.

Anyone that tells you that not masterbating is bad is a retard.

I had a masterbation habit since i was 9 (now 30) several times a day most days i would jerk it. Not usually to porn but sometimes. I can tell you that i havent jerked in in 3.5 months this sunday. I got laid by a cute 20 year old on the 2 month aniversery of me not jerking it. she keeps wanting my dick. She always calling me. other chicks have shown interest and i have them swirling the pool around me so to speak. My game has improved a lot since then. Who knows why.

Does it have anything to do with masterbating?... I dont know but i can tell you that i dont want to masterbate anymore and i feel better about myself.

But just to be fair I started seeing a school psychologist the week before i got laid and that has helped me out too.
This this this.

Like any other sort of day dreaming, sexual thoughts is something that catches your attention and YOU then put your mental energy into it. Now because this also has the pull of sexuality this is much MUCH stronger than most types of "day dreaming" so it is very important NOT TO FIGHT IT. Watch it, remain a witness, witness the biological change, the physiological change, witness the thoughts that come, remain a witness. Don't get involved.

Again do not, NOT NOT NOT fight with your thoughts about sex. It is the most dangerous thoughts to fight with in your whole brain, it will create neurosis, perversions, fetishes, the worst kind of shit. Watch it and don't become involved. If you start fighting or supressing, it is better to just get it done and try again next time. 

You can't even understand the rammification of fighting with sex, so SHUN anyone who tells you to do so, pedophiles, priests assaulting children, etc, is people who tried to fight and suppress sex. Sex is natural and if you try to fight it YOU BECOME UNNATURAL. 

However, if you bring awareness into it, then you can transform the energy into higher states, such as love, joy, etc. 
If what you are saying is that people who dont masterbate are fighting their thoughts about sex and people who dont masterbate wont become sex adicts, child molesters, rapists, pedophiles, etc. because they are releasing somehow through masterbation. then you are kidding yourself. The bggest problem with jerking it is in the addiction. It is probably fine in moderation if you are a person who can moderate it.

I cant tell you how it will affect you all i know is that it seemed to have negative effects on me, at the very least it seemed to make me a less effective and less powerful as a man..

Your right that you have to turn that mental energy to something else like love etc. but your wrong to think that tits bad to not jerk it. Anyone on this forum that says otherwise is likely justifying themselves because they cant stop.

And if anyone wants to quit for at least 3 months to show me i am wrong then be my guest.
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Let me guess... you're all Catholic?
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God dammit, it's spelled "MASTURBATE".
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Ok Jeffy MASTTURBATE sorry...

No I'm not religious. my whole arguement in this post  isn't that you should stop, or that its bad to do it, or that its even unhealthy to do it, (unless you are addicted)

My only arguement is that it is not unhealthy to completely stop.

And anyone saying that its unhealthy to complete stop because you are denying your sexuality and will then become a pervert, Or that you need to clean out the pipes, or that you even need to make sure it works every onnce in a while is ridiculous.
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Thank you soooo much for this JFM.

My own personal experience really confirms what this site talks about and it makes soo much 'sense'.

EVERYONE SHOULD CHECK OUT www.yourbrainonporn.com.
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Completely stopping is not only healthy, it's a requirement for the "reboot" that is talked about in www.yourbrainonporn.com.

Apparently you can recharge your natural sex drive to a non-compulsive real deal much faster if you abstain from porn. And the guy goes into the million questions that come up on this. He's done a great job, and it's just the tip of the iceberg. Naturally, when there's billions of dollars to be made off of porn, your not going to hear about this from the people making the money. Lot's of unfinished emotional business is being wired through dopamine rushes from sex, sugar, betting, eating etc. It's going to come out what happened and it's best to be an early adopter. Check the science and read up. It's not helping you to masturbate.

A full normal sex life will however be a huge help. Most addicts will deny the problem until nasty consequences hit. And a shitty life. Since it takes effort and discipline to get this right, what's tallked about on Your Brain on Porn is going to be all but ignored.
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Acro21 wrote:

To your body, an orgasm is an orgasm. Sure there's good and bad ones, but the body recognizes them the same.
Funnily enough I don't think this is true. I think that masturbation is a very poor substitute to the orgasm you experience from actual physical intimacy with a girl - the type that your body has evolved to reward you for. I think masturbation only fulfills some of the desires you have evolved to have, but there is a weird incongruence and dissonance that your body can 'sense' due to the many (subtle and obvious) differences between masturbation and sex, which leaves you with a weird empty sort of feeling.

Also there's the more logical side of porn and masturbation which you are aware of: that you're just staring at some pixels on a screen of other people having sex, while you're sitting there as the fuckin spectator, having to manually stimulate yourself cos there is nobody actually there next to you whose sexual company you can enjoy in an interactive, multi-sensory and organic way.

Porn is a supernormal stimulus, which is a very good reason for why we should be very wary of it.

(For a fun, succinct definition of the term supernormal stimulus, see this video from the 2min to 6min marker : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzN-uIVkfjg
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kingcooper wrote:

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To your body, an orgasm is an orgasm. Sure there's good and bad ones, but the body recognizes them the same.
Funnily enough I don't think this is true. I think that masturbation is a very poor substitute to the orgasm you experience from actual physical intimacy with a girl - the type that your body has evolved to reward you for. I think masturbation only fulfills some of the desires you have evolved to have, but there is a weird incongruence and dissonance that your body can 'sense' due to the many (subtle and obvious) differences between masturbation and sex, which leaves you with a weird empty sort of feeling.

Also there's the more logical side of porn and masturbation which you are aware of: that you're just staring at some pixels on a screen of other people having sex, while you're sitting there as the fuckin spectator, having to manually stimulate yourself cos there is nobody actually there next to you whose sexual company you can enjoy in an interactive and organic way.

Porn is a supernormal stimulus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzN-uIVkfjg  (watch from 2mins into it)

That's why people have made POV porn and amateur pictures of nude girls only. Yahoy - go fappers! FAP TEH FORCE!

Joking aside in the past i've tried a few times to restrain. I felt sick if i didn't ejaculate for more than 4-5 days. Like empty and bored and dull and had no motivation at all...
But all of this could be due to me not being able to somehow... make use of that energy. Despite the fact  that i was all day doing walking/chasing doing day-game and training hard 3x a week in the weightroom.
Might as well give it a try some day again.
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Zeniues wrote:

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Ok Jeffy MASTTURBATE sorry...

No I'm not religious. my whole arguement in this post  isn't that you should stop, or that its bad to do it, or that its even unhealthy to do it, (unless you are addicted)

My only arguement is that it is not unhealthy to completely stop.

And anyone saying that its unhealthy to complete stop because you are denying your sexuality and will then become a pervert, Or that you need to clean out the pipes, or that you even need to make sure it works every onnce in a while is ridiculous.
Awesome, for the next four weeks, whenever sexual thoughts come up, push them down, resist the sexual energy, and generally prevent it from coming. Then come back and tell me what kind of thoughts you have about sex now and what turns you on. It's ridiculous what i'm saying so it would be a harmless experiment right?


Dude. Did you read the site?
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Cool. Well, if that ever changes, have a look at the site. There's a lot of relevant info there. If you say you know everything about the topic by watching your own mind, that sounds like a closed system. What's interesting about the work is where it might lead in the future. Things evolve, and it's always new information that drives evolution.
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I mean technically you're right, but in vibing with people or discussing or interacting in anyway it helps to get info from "others". The ego always wants to close of to info that threatens it's illusion of "knowledge" and control. The work the guy has done is straight up legit and is going to help a lot of people.

The win is to take what you already know and keep on challenging it. Growing. I'm sure I would not have got to some of the more important beliefs I'm currently evolving without a lot of the work RSD and others have done. Meditation is supposed to dilate and include, not contract and exclude.

A lot of what people believe, including what you're saying doesn't match with reality. It helps to know that.
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