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December 3rd, 2016
Building a Harem of 9's and 10's
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A bullet point summary is provided at the bottom for those who do not wish to read the entire post.

This post is for the intermediates who think they are huge pimps cus they can get laid 3-4 times a month by 6's and 7's.  I used to be this guy, so I know him pretty well.

My strategy every night would be do try to get into state so I could pull ass.  (Cus we all know that if you're not in state then you can't get laid. Wink. Wink. Sarcasm)

This lead me to act like a jackass, so I could get hyped up and say whatever was on my mind without a filter.  I approached a lot and always got physical to show how much of a man I was.  I would say bold things that were funny, and if the girls laughed I would escelate and try to pull. If I couldnt pull I would get numbers to try and day 2.  I would wash, rinse and repeat this, and even keep approaching girls in front of the other girls I had just gotten numbers from.  This would show them how non-needy I was, and that I was a secret-society pimp, part of the 1% of males that girls get jealous over and fight over.

The problem I was finding is that after 2 years of lots of lots of sex and debauchery, I hadn't really pulled anything hotter than a 8.  And even the 8's were borderline.  I thought I was a super-pimp cus of all the lays and how I was so confident and could approach anyone.  It didnt occur to me that I was doing something wrong in strategy. 

The problem I was having is letting my state get carried away and fucking up the way I came across to hot girls.  What I've found with the hottest girls is that they respond to a different type of confidence and a different type of game.  Sure, you can get attraction with the high-octane actics and bold physicality, but it wont intrigue them enough to want to sleep with you or even ever want to talk to you again. 

9's and 10's respond to high value and status cus these are the only kinds of guys that don't give a shit if they fuck her or not cus they have so many other options. So if you don't have it, then you better be a smooth, relaxed, chilled motherfucker who's totally comfortable in his own skin.  No matter how funny and good at conversation you are, if they can tell that you want to fuck them more than they want to fuck you, you're done.  
This doesn't mean you have to neg or play indirect, but it means you shouldn't give too much of yourself away.  You need to just not try at all to get them, trusitng in the fact that this will intrigue them.  If they don't respond well to you, you need to be in the headspace that you're completely unaffected by it. When you're in this "zone" though, girls usually always want to talk to you.    

I have had success recently just standing in the club by myself, not approaching anyone, just feeling good in my body.  I have a trust that girls will notice me and be attracted.  I can't explain why, it's just a complete feeling of letting go that I have attained.  If something amuses me I will focus on it and then approach coming from a place of authenticity and depth.  My aura is a lot more stronger and grounded in a "real" confidence, not something artificial and fake like getting in state based off of 50 different 1 minute interactions.     

I feel like I am coming from a higher place, so the girls get sucked into the reality wanting to know more about me (even though I'm not a very interesting person at all).  My jokes have become less vulgar, but more witty and quietly self-amusing. My physicality has become less frequent and overpowering, to more selective and seductive.

Another interesting thing about this is that girls are finally chasing ME.  Back in my intermediate stage, I would game so damn hard with the hot girls.  It was like I had to bring so much verbal ammunition into the interaction just to hold the attention.  It was fun as hell, and I felt so damn funny and unstoppable, but I WASNT ACTUALLY HAVING SEX WITH THOSE GIRLS! 

Now my interactions look like this a lot...
Hey....
Whats up....
You look cute tonight....

But I just hold the tension with my eyes and my demeanor that the vibe doesnt feel boring....it feels deep and like a connection is being built.  The interactions go sooo damn smoothly and I don't even get tested. I find myself asking deep, personal questions about them to get them to open up to me. Once they open up to you and show you the REAL girl inside of them, they start to need you as source of confidence. They are now at the point where they actively want to have sex with me.    

The problem I had as an intermediate is thinking that the hotties needed to see from me super awesome game as a way to show my status.  What I've found is that what realy turns them on is a guy who is just comfortable being who he is....letting go of the pickup aura....letting go of trying to be cool.  Just be a guy who sees the depth in things and is able to see the fickle nature of people and all of their insecurities.  You will be able to chuckle at people and relate to them because you see yourself in them.  

As far as getting them in bed.....run the same outer game you would on a 7.  Hell, alot of these girls will even start leading on you (which I don't like cus its a sign of insecurity).  


                               Summary
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Super hot girls get turned on the most by guys who don't care if they fuck them or not. You need to truly adapt the mindset that you don't care if you fuck her or not.
1. get into a flow where you are completely happy with yourself at the bar and where you need nothing from anyone.
2. get rid of any ego inside of yourself where you are trying to look cool or impress people
3. see the depth of girl's personalities as you look into their eyes. 
 a. try and see what type of person they are by what their eyes are telling you so you can gauge if she's the type of girl that arouses you. 
4. don't approach or even talk unless you feel a compulsion inside of yourself to do so.  
5. Tust that people will accept your frame as a super-chilled dude and will get sucked into your reality. 
6. Feel your inner arousal and let it express itself from the way you smile and make eye contact. 
7. Try not to talk to a girl out of lust but out of super intrigue and curiousity about who she is. 
8. allow yourself to make a mistake and laugh at yourself if you screw up. Attribute your error to your silly ego getting in the way of your awesomeness.  
9. trust the fact that the girls WILL be interested in you and all you have to do is lead how you normally would, just in a congruent fashion to your mood and state. 
10. To maximize against flaking, don't get all aggressive and pushy with ur texts and whatnot over the phone if you were super chilled when you met. This will show that you want to fuck her more than she wants to fuck you and she will shut you down. 
11. Once you have the girl hooked, it really is like running standard game the way you would on a 7 that you dont care that much about. The thing is you can be a sleazy hornbag and nail a 7; 9's and 10's are way less desperate to fuck a horny guy just cus he's acting funny in a bar.  
12. It's not like it's superhard, it's just important to adapt the mindset of a guy who isn't trying to impress anyone.  This is true confidence and is what really draws hot girls in.   
  

     
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 this shit makes sense bro
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good post.
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This is very true talk. If we can just totally annahilate that need to impress other people in any way shape or form...it would equal being extremely attractive. Thats all there really is to it.

Even a speck of a percent of trying to impress will smudge your game, you can still pull but the ideal is NOT trying to impress at all, ever. This is the holy grail, the magic pill as far as
having options goes and if one can actually become a person who simply and truly just doesn't care about impressing others in anyway...this will basically be all one needs.

Thats basically core confidence.
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Try not to talk to a girl out of lust but out of super intrigue and curiousity about who she is. 

I don't see why you can't do both. If you like her looks there is always going to be lust involved.  That doesn't mean you can't set that aside for a moment and just talk to them.
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Zeniues wrote:
 Cool, this is pretty much what I expected end-game to be like.

One thing though, I legit don't care who she is. You absolutely sure sexual arousal is not enough? I'm not saying I won't get interested when I talk to her, but I don't care who she is before the approach. 

Nah man, sexual arousal is just one part of it. Girls get wet all the time during the day and the thing is that HOTTER girls want to feel like YOU are of value. Sexual arousal is value but it's not super duper
value. You can arouse a girl all night and have her pussy dripping only to have a higher value dude snatch her away and reap your rewards. Smarten up.

Basically, if you're walking around looking to make other people make you feel good about yourself...you're acting low value, because someone with value already feels good without other people to
make him feel good.

IF you can make the choice to feel good and treating hot girls as just OPTIONAL bonuses in life, then it's all good.
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SportsGuy wrote:
Try not to talk to a girl out of lust but out of super intrigue and curiousity about who she is. 

I don't see why you can't do both. If you like her looks there is always going to be lust involved.  That doesn't mean you can't set that aside for a moment and just talk to them.

I think he means like don't talk to them out of that chode drooling lust where people lose control. Thats not attractive.
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Shazak wrote:

SportsGuy wrote:
Try not to talk to a girl out of lust but out of super intrigue and curiousity about who she is. 

I don't see why you can't do both. If you like her looks there is always going to be lust involved.  That doesn't mean you can't set that aside for a moment and just talk to them.

I think he means like don't talk to them out of that chode drooling lust where people lose control. Thats not attractive.

What do you mean by losing control?  He didn't specify anything, he just said lust.  If you are straight and you see a chick that is just your type, you are going to lust after her.
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SportsGuy wrote:

Shazak wrote:

SportsGuy wrote:
Try not to talk to a girl out of lust but out of super intrigue and curiousity about who she is. 

I don't see why you can't do both. If you like her looks there is always going to be lust involved.  That doesn't mean you can't set that aside for a moment and just talk to them.

I think he means like don't talk to them out of that chode drooling lust where people lose control. Thats not attractive.

What do you mean by losing control?  He didn't specify anything, he just said lust.  If you are straight and you see a chick that is just your type, you are going to lust after her.
losing control of yourself and thereby putting her on a pedestal. "Oh my god she's soooooo hooooooot" which in turn causes you to blow up her value in your own mind.
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Shazak wrote:

SportsGuy wrote:

Shazak wrote:

SportsGuy wrote:
Try not to talk to a girl out of lust but out of super intrigue and curiousity about who she is. 

I don't see why you can't do both. If you like her looks there is always going to be lust involved.  That doesn't mean you can't set that aside for a moment and just talk to them.

I think he means like don't talk to them out of that chode drooling lust where people lose control. Thats not attractive.

What do you mean by losing control?  He didn't specify anything, he just said lust.  If you are straight and you see a chick that is just your type, you are going to lust after her.
losing control of yourself and thereby putting her on a pedestal. "Oh my god she's soooooo hooooooot" which in turn causes you to blow up her value in your own mind.

Yeah I don't think that is hard at all.  I have no trouble doing that.  You have to remember that she is just a person, just like everyone else.  Pretty simple.
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