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May 25th, 2013
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Kody_star

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Kid, I wish I were still as naive as you.
TJ- wrote:
It doesn't literally mean I know he's a genius, it's just a figure of speech. And generally Harvard professors who went to Princeton and got a PhD at MIT are genius. Not the most ridiculous thought out there
Kody_star wrote:
Your evidence being....?
TJ- wrote:
I am sure he is a genius, but...


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I wish I were enough of a dud to call someone naive based on my own misinterpretation of a common idiom. Especially in the ironic scenario where intelligence is the topic of debate.

... is what I would say if I was coming from your lame and contentious frame.
Kody_star wrote:
Kid, I wish I were still as naive as you.
TJ- wrote:
It doesn't literally mean I know he's a genius, it's just a figure of speech. And generally Harvard professors who went to Princeton and got a PhD at MIT are genius. Not the most ridiculous thought out there
Kody_star wrote:
Your evidence being....?
TJ- wrote:
I am sure he is a genius, but...



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Forgive my frame.
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Haakjöringsköd wrote:
my favorite economic professor, greg mankiw who teaches in harvard, says about believe system:

In my view, it is best to consider all knowledge as tentative. The best scholars maintain an open-mindedness and humility about even their own core beliefs. Excessive conviction is often a sign of insufficient thought, which in turn may be derived from a certain pig-headedness. Intellectual maturity comes when you can maintain the right balance between informed belief and honest skepticism.

what do you think?

obviously that's true. in order to be a scholar you have to be open minded and allow everything to come in because even if you have some idea about what to do, there's always situation A, B, or C that you overlooked in making that decision either purposely or without noticing and completely changes everything.

however i'm just going to say he's wrong only because he goes to harvard..harvard sucks
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TJ- wrote:
It doesn't literally mean I know he's a genius, it's just a figure of speech. And generally Harvard professors who went to Princeton and got a PhD at MIT are genius. Not the most ridiculous thought out there
Ehh..i dont know about that

the whole ivy league/top university mystique is completely overblown...if you attend those schools, you really don't notice a difference or notice that they are special. you only notice when people around you start talking about it.

and honestly there are some not so smart kids at some of those schools..i'm using that term loosely in a sense. there are dumb students at my school. maybe it's just my perception because everyone is smart and the one's not as smart stand out as being stupid even though they might be really smart..but whatever

honestly achieving that isn't really too tough

getting into princeton is th eonly hard part. because once you're in the system you don't really leave. so going to MIT to get your Masters/PhD is just a simple step...unless of course you are getting into MITs better programs, Business, math, engineering, linguistics, etc. If i went to MIT to get my masters/phd in english or art history it wouldn't be too tough to get in

then you just go to write a lot of papers and get published. the thing is a lot of papers that get published are pretty bullshit to begin with and don't really have much substance. it's not that hard to get something out there. even easier if you are branded with princeton/mit on you.
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TJ, don't listen to masterson, he's full of shit, I promise you. The folks there really ARE geniuses. Thank you for reminding us all of that fact.
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Kody_star wrote:
TJ, don't listen to masterson, he's full of shit, I promise you. The folks there really ARE geniuses. Thank you for reminding us all of that fact.
you are using the term genius too loosly

Geniuses are those who can do super complicated multivariate calculus and complicated physics stuff in their head in a matter of seconds. i've seen people like that

takes me 50 minutes to do the problem, takes him/her 1 minute without doing any work. just pops out the answer...it's absurd

These are bright people but by no means geniuses
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people who achieve high status through intellectual means are looked down upon by streetsmart wanna be douchebags which will never earn the respect money or gratification it comes to be on the top
its a way of compensating
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Nice to see you created an arbitrary definition for genius. Listen: in order to be a PROFESSOR at Harvard in any faculty, but particularly social or physical sciences, you need to have very high intelligence. These people innovate and do the most profound research in the United States and possibly the earth. If you would bother to google this guy you would see: he is the 25th most cited economist in the world. It may be ignorance or plain stubbornness for one to not realize just what that means. He has also ADDED to the knowledge of New Keynesian economics. 

You sincerely think that people who can do complicated math problems (who are genius) are quite as profound as people who innovate and create new ideas? Imagine a person solving a math problem vs. a person doing a proof for a math problem that has never been proved before. There is the difference.
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Kody_star wrote:
TJ, don't listen to masterson, he's full of shit, I promise you. The folks there really ARE geniuses. Thank you for reminding us all of that fact.
you are using the term genius too loosly

Geniuses are those who can do super complicated multivariate calculus and complicated physics stuff in their head in a matter of seconds. i've seen people like that

takes me 50 minutes to do the problem, takes him/her 1 minute without doing any work. just pops out the answer...it's absurd

These are bright people but by no means geniuses

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Actually you got the order of difficulty in terms of intellectual challenge wrong. Getting into Princeton, Yale, or Harvard involves a lot of stupid bullshit that does not measure intelligence, unless you consider the SAT to do so even though that is mostly learned knowledge and not intellectual capacity (memorization vs. thought process - which is where genius is founded).

Getting a PhD at MIT would be brutal. Getting in would be extremely tough as you would need an extremely high GRE score and GPA in math and economics courses. Your competitive pool would be huge since MIT economics produces some of the top world economists. And then once you get there, your thesis is held to that same standard as some of those top world economists who came through the doors at MIT.

Now, the most difficult part of all would be the ability to teach at Harvard. I go to UBC which is arguably the top school in Canada and most definitely the top school in Western Canada. We have very well educated faculty who went to such schools as MIT, Berkley, Harvard, and Stanford for their PhDs. Many of these people are innovators in their own right. So if that is the standard for one of the top 50 schools in the world, imagine what it is for one of the top THREE schools in the world. Being hired there and maintaining your job must be brutal.

Clearly you go to Yale and you have seen the idiots in the undergraduate system. Probably some potheads and C students and failures. That is why there is a bell curve and why you will only move on if you get good grades at the undergraduate university. Bear with me and imagine this weeding-out process: being in the top % of the country to get into Princeton undergrad, then being in the top % of Princeton to have the grades to get a PhD at MIT, then being one of the best PhDs in the country to get a job at Harvard, and then being one of the best economists in the world to be the 25th most cited.

We need to get off our high horses here and appreciate the accomplishment this guy made in a cut throat US educational system. Probably at least a little inkling of intelligence there, wouldn't ya think?
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TJ- wrote:
It doesn't literally mean I know he's a genius, it's just a figure of speech. And generally Harvard professors who went to Princeton and got a PhD at MIT are genius. Not the most ridiculous thought out there
Ehh..i dont know about that

the whole ivy league/top university mystique is completely overblown...if you attend those schools, you really don't notice a difference or notice that they are special. you only notice when people around you start talking about it.

and honestly there are some not so smart kids at some of those schools..i'm using that term loosely in a sense. there are dumb students at my school. maybe it's just my perception because everyone is smart and the one's not as smart stand out as being stupid even though they might be really smart..but whatever

honestly achieving that isn't really too tough

getting into princeton is th eonly hard part. because once you're in the system you don't really leave. so going to MIT to get your Masters/PhD is just a simple step...unless of course you are getting into MITs better programs, Business, math, engineering, linguistics, etc. If i went to MIT to get my masters/phd in english or art history it wouldn't be too tough to get in

then you just go to write a lot of papers and get published. the thing is a lot of papers that get published are pretty bullshit to begin with and don't really have much substance. it's not that hard to get something out there. even easier if you are branded with princeton/mit on you.

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