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July 23rd, 2017
If Eckhart Tolle was a PUA - would he be successful?
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#31

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enthalpy wrote:
First of all, you dont take action.  I asked you how many sets you opened last week and you ignored me. Thus, you fail the first sticking point in pickup, actually opening sets.  Dont even tell me about all the other aspects of pickup when you dont even show up for practice.  You are lazy, you are disillusioned, you arent disciplined. You will never get good.

Telling a newbie to go "natural" is like telling some fat kid to just be "coordinated".  If he knew how to be "natural" and pick up chicks, he would already be competent wouldnt he?  A newbie needs to follow structure game first.  A person can become "natural" eventually after learning structured game simply after going out for a long period of time that his behaviors look natural.  But telling a newbie to go blind "natural" is the essence of blind trial and error.  Not very efficience since most naturals took many many years since high school to become competent.

I have no idea what you are getting at with the boat analogy.

Whatever I communicate to a girl is way better than you since you stay at home and never open sets, you pretty much communicate nothing.
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This is why Tolle will suck at game. You cant take a pro golf player and put in him on the football field and he will become MVP the same year.

Yes the golf player will have some qualities that may translate to football but he will never escape going through the basics and actually learning the sport.

Loosing your ego is not the ultimate key to becoming successful with girls. However working on those areas will make you more uncreative etc which are qualities that will help you.

But the reasoning

No ego = hot girls getting wet → Tolle has no ego → Therefore Tolle makes girls wet

Is just wrong.
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#32

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Not to get involved, but it really does sound like enthalpy is talking from going out experience, and zeniues is talking from theory.

Obviously chilled, natural, etc are all great concepts of game that should be abided by, but they are not the be all and end all. They are just frames for your action.

You dont just go out and sit in the corner and girls gravitate to you.

I would say that it's Tylers fault for not having brought out a video that clears up this misconception.

But then again, its not, because he keeps saying, he doesnt want to be your GURU, he wants you to figure things out for yourself and go out into the FIELD, and approach and use COMMON SENSE.

But maybe Tyler needs to bring out a video about TAKING ACTION and specifically clearing up this MASSIVE misconception that plagues all the newbies on this board (which I think is the majority of people).

But yeah - opening, hooking, isolation, comfort etc. These are all principles of ACTION, and is not conflicting with natural game. These actions are present in every successful interaction.

When Tyler says be NATURAL, hes talking about not saying things to impress, get a reaction etc. He's not saying stop using critical analysis, guiding/leading interactions in a certain direction etc.

This is a MASSIVE thing that needs to be cleared up ASAP. I would do it, but noone cares about who I am.

One of the big dogs needs to sort this out for everyone. Tyler or Jeffy really.
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#33

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Also, and this is no diss to Zeniues, but is FUCKING HILLARIOUS, like full COMEDY SKETCH that dude says "you dont know Tyler, you dont have infield experience bro!" and then dude comes out with pictures of him and
Tyler chilling and him hanging out with loads of girls.

That shit was funny!! I got a giggle out of that.
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#34

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Also, Zeniues, this is for you mate, thank me later

http://www.rsdnation.com/node/60760?page=2

Ps. Tyler takes improv lessons, he talks about it all the time. That means he's focused on improvement. 50/50 bro.
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#35
voodoo_child

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Zeniues wrote:

zoom wrote:

enthalpy wrote:
First of all, you dont take action.  I asked you how many sets you opened last week and you ignored me. Thus, you fail the first sticking point in pickup, actually opening sets.  Dont even tell me about all the other aspects of pickup when you dont even show up for practice.  You are lazy, you are disillusioned, you arent disciplined. You will never get good.

Telling a newbie to go "natural" is like telling some fat kid to just be "coordinated".  If he knew how to be "natural" and pick up chicks, he would already be competent wouldnt he?  A newbie needs to follow structure game first.  A person can become "natural" eventually after learning structured game simply after going out for a long period of time that his behaviors look natural.  But telling a newbie to go blind "natural" is the essence of blind trial and error.  Not very efficience since most naturals took many many years since high school to become competent.

I have no idea what you are getting at with the boat analogy.

Whatever I communicate to a girl is way better than you since you stay at home and never open sets, you pretty much communicate nothing.
Quoted again for truth

This is why Tolle will suck at game. You cant take a pro golf player and put in him on the football field and he will become MVP the same year.

Yes the golf player will have some qualities that may translate to football but he will never escape going through the basics and actually learning the sport.

Loosing your ego is not the ultimate key to becoming successful with girls. However working on those areas will make you more uncreative etc which are qualities that will help you.

But the reasoning

No ego = hot girls getting wet → Tolle has no ego → Therefore Tolle makes girls wet

Is just wrong.


You can't compare learning a certain skill set like hockey and football with social interactions, which are in our actual DNA. We are wired to enjoy social interactions, we are wired to have sex, we are hardcoded to with reward-chemicals to engage in being social, and we know how to do it. Why do you think when you hit state that everything works, even shit that even Tyler will tell you won't work? Because you don't need to learn this shit, you just need to unlearn the crap you didn't know.

A bird with a peasize brain can navigate several continents with absolute precision as a natural, innate ability. Dolphins have banded together in flocks and saved humans from sharks, without even being able to formulate a thought. You think there's anything magic in pre-cognitive intuition? It's what keeps the world alive. We are able to construct thoughts and play with them, does not mean at all that we need them. Everything on this earth survives because it doesn't try to think it's way through it.

The amazing thing about humans is not their ability to think, it is that with our minds being so dysfunctional and destructive, that we managed to somhow survive. I'm not religious, but that's a fucking miracle. 



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#36

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 Eckhart Tolle has been hapily married for 10 years, seems ifne enough to me.

Enthalpy thanks for posting your videos, a ton of value. 
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#37

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In this video Eckhart Tolle says he would suck at soccer or anything that needs training and his state wouldn't help him:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_h1CGPRuix4
I thhink it's fitting really well to the discussion of "is practise necessary?".
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#38

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 if he's married for 10 years and content with himself/his life then there's nothing for him to change in terms of relationships with the opposite sex

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if he would be single and wanted to get laid I am sure that he would recognise the need for outer game, a good look and some dress sense.

just because he was ego-less and content with his life (according to him) didn't stop him from writing 2 books, doing seminars, audio tapes and making a crapload of money. similar to tyler but another nitche. If he does have Inner Game i'm sure he could learn how to pick up chicks and improve quickly

 

EDIT: in the above video where he's talking about kicking a soccer ball he admits you cant do everything with just state, one must have a foundation/experience with the subject to be effective. So going out, talking, meeting women is half the process, the base. To become really good at it, aka calibrated/in state/nimbus you need inner game to back up. So it's 50/50 really 
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#39
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I'd say Tolle wouldn't need to ever be a PUA since the whole banging a million girls quest would be purely from the ego lol.
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