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Fuck.
This is very disappointing. The text convo I wrote down in my last post, horny HBReligious - it seems to all have been a misunderstanding; she mistook me for somebody else. Either that or it's a huge shittest (but I think the probability for that is low). Dumb bitch! It's believable, because I never texted my name, I opened the convo with: "Guess who this is!" Still, she should have known. We had a date lined up for thursday, a date which we implicitely had agreed to fuck on. Except that it wasn't with me, but with some other dude. Or maybe the lines had a different meaning to her. I don't know in how many ways a line like " Lol, I have pretty dirty plans with you.. we should carry on where we left off last time...Let's go get a drink first (eg at [bar])" can be interpreted...
I had seen myself with a FB already, I had had movies in my head! Triplelulz. Fuck that.
Gonna give this one one last call tomorrow, then let it be.
I told you I hadn't expected an answer to that initial text message of mine...
This is very disappointing. The text convo I wrote down in my last post, horny HBReligious - it seems to all have been a misunderstanding; she mistook me for somebody else. Either that or it's a huge shittest (but I think the probability for that is low). Dumb bitch! It's believable, because I never texted my name, I opened the convo with: "Guess who this is!" Still, she should have known. We had a date lined up for thursday, a date which we implicitely had agreed to fuck on. Except that it wasn't with me, but with some other dude. Or maybe the lines had a different meaning to her. I don't know in how many ways a line like " Lol, I have pretty dirty plans with you.. we should carry on where we left off last time...Let's go get a drink first (eg at [bar])" can be interpreted...
I had seen myself with a FB already, I had had movies in my head! Triplelulz. Fuck that.
Gonna give this one one last call tomorrow, then let it be.
I told you I hadn't expected an answer to that initial text message of mine...
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"Failure is caused by unwillingness to adapt!"
"If it's not rough, it is not fun!" - Lady Gaga, Philosopher
Doctor's Diary - my Field Reports live from Vienna: http://www.rsdnation.com/node/200128/forum
"If it's not rough, it is not fun!" - Lady Gaga, Philosopher
Doctor's Diary - my Field Reports live from Vienna: http://www.rsdnation.com/node/200128/forum
Lol u silly fuck better luck next time, dat bitch bin getting dick from every angel yo!
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Lol, thanks, Will!
My answer to this story can only be one thing: I'm gonna work even harder now and I'm gonna make up for it!
My answer to this story can only be one thing: I'm gonna work even harder now and I'm gonna make up for it!
__________________
"Failure is caused by unwillingness to adapt!"
"If it's not rough, it is not fun!" - Lady Gaga, Philosopher
Doctor's Diary - my Field Reports live from Vienna: http://www.rsdnation.com/node/200128/forum
"If it's not rough, it is not fun!" - Lady Gaga, Philosopher
Doctor's Diary - my Field Reports live from Vienna: http://www.rsdnation.com/node/200128/forum
Tue, Jan 31st
Went to U4 with new wing Phantom who contacted me over this forum and is living here in Vienna, and with Terminator. Phantom is a guy with a lot of game, he will also be doing the Alumni Only Bootcamp in Miami. I was under the impression he got 2 phone numbers before even handing in his coat at the wardrobe (turns out he hadn't). A lot of pushing and shoving at the entrance, a huge crowd because of uni hollidays, it took us 50 minutes to get in.
The girls are very young here, but I just go, go, go for it. This is how it goes down:
Blowout, blowout, blowout.
Blowout.
Blowout, blowout.
Although it depends on what you would call a blowout - I count every resistance to escalation as a blowout (Friendly girl: "I don't like to be touched!" - Me: "Ok, bye, bye!"). Also, interactions fizzling out slowly are blowouts. Slow death.
I tell myself I have to go a bit harder, ramping up the kino to get REAL MAN BLOWOUTS, not this fizzling out shit. This is how it goes down:
Blowout, blowout, blowout.
Blowout.
Blowout, blowout.
Basically, the rejections of these girlies are pretty soft, they are nice even when rejecting. I talk to a very tall hot blonde, tall girls like tall guys. She is into me, giving me kino, she got a heavy accent and says she is from the countryside, I make fun of her. Tells me to meet her in the other room, where her friends are at. I reapproach in the other room a little later on, she is giving me kino, but doesn't want to let me give her kino - wow, STRANGE!!! Anybody here knows what this is about? Phantom says it might have been a shittest. True maybe, because she is even reengaging me when I want to leave. She is a city girl actually and was just playing the redneck, she can do a lot of different accents... My kino rule tells me to leave though, maybe I shouldn't have.
Approach Anxiety is pretty much 0,0% right now, I step up on a platform and engage a girl out of a large mixed set, they are all looking at me. She is attracted, but I can't isolate.
Doing a TON of sets, maybe 20? 25? 30? More? Hard to tell. Every time I feel frustrated, my solution is to approach more. Tons of hot little girlies. Get the age rejection a couple of times, which is understandable. I wouldn't know what to do with most 19 year old girlies either if they didn't have a hole in between their legs.
The best set of the night is the last one: An American violinist from Chicago, having just arrived to live here in Vienna. She seems very energized and somehow attracted, but is dancing around all the time while I'm talking to her. I love artsy girls and I love Americans, she is cute too. Some guy comes in, now she is standing next to him. I extend my hand, she grabs it, I pull her back onto my side. Get her phone number in the end, I hope it's solid.
We go home.
Went to U4 with new wing Phantom who contacted me over this forum and is living here in Vienna, and with Terminator. Phantom is a guy with a lot of game, he will also be doing the Alumni Only Bootcamp in Miami. I was under the impression he got 2 phone numbers before even handing in his coat at the wardrobe (turns out he hadn't). A lot of pushing and shoving at the entrance, a huge crowd because of uni hollidays, it took us 50 minutes to get in.
The girls are very young here, but I just go, go, go for it. This is how it goes down:
Blowout, blowout, blowout.
Blowout.
Blowout, blowout.
Although it depends on what you would call a blowout - I count every resistance to escalation as a blowout (Friendly girl: "I don't like to be touched!" - Me: "Ok, bye, bye!"). Also, interactions fizzling out slowly are blowouts. Slow death.
I tell myself I have to go a bit harder, ramping up the kino to get REAL MAN BLOWOUTS, not this fizzling out shit. This is how it goes down:
Blowout, blowout, blowout.
Blowout.
Blowout, blowout.
Basically, the rejections of these girlies are pretty soft, they are nice even when rejecting. I talk to a very tall hot blonde, tall girls like tall guys. She is into me, giving me kino, she got a heavy accent and says she is from the countryside, I make fun of her. Tells me to meet her in the other room, where her friends are at. I reapproach in the other room a little later on, she is giving me kino, but doesn't want to let me give her kino - wow, STRANGE!!! Anybody here knows what this is about? Phantom says it might have been a shittest. True maybe, because she is even reengaging me when I want to leave. She is a city girl actually and was just playing the redneck, she can do a lot of different accents... My kino rule tells me to leave though, maybe I shouldn't have.
Approach Anxiety is pretty much 0,0% right now, I step up on a platform and engage a girl out of a large mixed set, they are all looking at me. She is attracted, but I can't isolate.
Doing a TON of sets, maybe 20? 25? 30? More? Hard to tell. Every time I feel frustrated, my solution is to approach more. Tons of hot little girlies. Get the age rejection a couple of times, which is understandable. I wouldn't know what to do with most 19 year old girlies either if they didn't have a hole in between their legs.
The best set of the night is the last one: An American violinist from Chicago, having just arrived to live here in Vienna. She seems very energized and somehow attracted, but is dancing around all the time while I'm talking to her. I love artsy girls and I love Americans, she is cute too. Some guy comes in, now she is standing next to him. I extend my hand, she grabs it, I pull her back onto my side. Get her phone number in the end, I hope it's solid.
We go home.
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"Failure is caused by unwillingness to adapt!"
"If it's not rough, it is not fun!" - Lady Gaga, Philosopher
Doctor's Diary - my Field Reports live from Vienna: http://www.rsdnation.com/node/200128/forum
"If it's not rough, it is not fun!" - Lady Gaga, Philosopher
Doctor's Diary - my Field Reports live from Vienna: http://www.rsdnation.com/node/200128/forum
yea was good to meet you and go out! I was not used to going out at all after being sick for more than 2 weeks, but was not so bad.
you forgot to mention that the tall blonde girl you talked to was *really* hot. the girl you got the number from was really cute too.
The reason for the blowouts were IMO a mix of a couple things (this is something I’m also struggling with):
- vibe in the club (not really an issue, just a lot of moving sets, many groups of girls)
- some girls seeing that you don’t really want them, but rather you just approach for the sake of approaching (that happens to me too, Tim talks about that somewhere)
- you subtly wanting her validation - which makes makes you the seller in the buyer/seller dynamic. (this is not so easy to implement either)
Those things are all subtle, not obvious at all. and they happen to me a lot too like you have seen last night :)
One thing that you absolutely need to implement: NO game talk when going out. AT ALL. Talking game or analyzing in between sets is responsible for not getting into a killer state. Makes you outcome dependent and has so many other bad implications.
All that said - you approached without hesitation which is the most important thing. Like while talking to me leaving mid-sentence to approach (which is great!) or when you walked up to the table where there was this big mixed group and you approached that cutie…that was cool and the girl was into you because it takes balls to do that.
So just keep approaching like that and cut out the analytical thinking mode during going out (easier said than done) and you'll be good.
you forgot to mention that the tall blonde girl you talked to was *really* hot. the girl you got the number from was really cute too.
The reason for the blowouts were IMO a mix of a couple things (this is something I’m also struggling with):
- vibe in the club (not really an issue, just a lot of moving sets, many groups of girls)
- some girls seeing that you don’t really want them, but rather you just approach for the sake of approaching (that happens to me too, Tim talks about that somewhere)
- you subtly wanting her validation - which makes makes you the seller in the buyer/seller dynamic. (this is not so easy to implement either)
Those things are all subtle, not obvious at all. and they happen to me a lot too like you have seen last night :)
One thing that you absolutely need to implement: NO game talk when going out. AT ALL. Talking game or analyzing in between sets is responsible for not getting into a killer state. Makes you outcome dependent and has so many other bad implications.
All that said - you approached without hesitation which is the most important thing. Like while talking to me leaving mid-sentence to approach (which is great!) or when you walked up to the table where there was this big mixed group and you approached that cutie…that was cool and the girl was into you because it takes balls to do that.
So just keep approaching like that and cut out the analytical thinking mode during going out (easier said than done) and you'll be good.
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phantom-
1) Offer Value
2) Put your real personality on the Line
3) Don't give a fuck what anyone thinks of you
4) Don't take ownership of other peoples reactions to you -Bish’s Cheatsheet
1) Offer Value
2) Put your real personality on the Line
3) Don't give a fuck what anyone thinks of you
4) Don't take ownership of other peoples reactions to you -Bish’s Cheatsheet
Dr I have nights like this too. It just happens, it is a part of the process. When you can push it really hard even though you fuck up all the time, you are already further then 95% of all the guys in the game....keep on rocking! Good nights or bad nights..fuck this..its all reference experience, even though its sometimes hard to deal with.
btw I like ur sig phantom :)
btw I like ur sig phantom :)
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@Timmi: Thanks!
@Mr. Phantom: Hey, it was fucking cool to hang with you (even though it feels weird to write to you in English, lol)! Thanks for the props!
The reason for the blowouts were IMO a mix of a couple things (this is something I’m also struggling with):
- vibe in the club (not really an issue, just a lot of moving sets, many groups of girls)
- some girls seeing that you don’t really want them, but rather you just approach for the sake of approaching (that happens to me too, Tim talks about that somewhere)
- you subtly wanting her validation - which makes makes you the seller in the buyer/seller dynamic. (this is not so easy to implement either)
You are totally right there, my big problem is I'm totally the buyer. In other words, I need more ICE. It's also exactly what Julien talks about in his latest frontpage video, which I love: Don't try to hook the set! This wasn't just the case yesterday though, this is the current nature of my game. My answer is to not worry about it though, because you can't really change this conciously. Instead I will just improve my game step by step and get my reference experiences in till I'm there.
Girls seeing I don't really want them: Very true too, this was just yesterday, mainly because I did so many sets. My old theory: More sets = Less congruence.
What I don't agree on is not analyzing AT ALL in field, at least for me it's not the best way to go. If things don't go well, I will take a step back and tweek one or two little things and go for it again. And I really don't do it excessively, it's just a couple of seconds. If I want better state, I approach more sets. But to each their own, remind me next time I'm talking too much about that and I will just mumble it to myself or get away from you for some minutes.
See you VERY soon!
@Mr. Phantom: Hey, it was fucking cool to hang with you (even though it feels weird to write to you in English, lol)! Thanks for the props!
The reason for the blowouts were IMO a mix of a couple things (this is something I’m also struggling with):
- vibe in the club (not really an issue, just a lot of moving sets, many groups of girls)
- some girls seeing that you don’t really want them, but rather you just approach for the sake of approaching (that happens to me too, Tim talks about that somewhere)
- you subtly wanting her validation - which makes makes you the seller in the buyer/seller dynamic. (this is not so easy to implement either)
You are totally right there, my big problem is I'm totally the buyer. In other words, I need more ICE. It's also exactly what Julien talks about in his latest frontpage video, which I love: Don't try to hook the set! This wasn't just the case yesterday though, this is the current nature of my game. My answer is to not worry about it though, because you can't really change this conciously. Instead I will just improve my game step by step and get my reference experiences in till I'm there.
Girls seeing I don't really want them: Very true too, this was just yesterday, mainly because I did so many sets. My old theory: More sets = Less congruence.
What I don't agree on is not analyzing AT ALL in field, at least for me it's not the best way to go. If things don't go well, I will take a step back and tweek one or two little things and go for it again. And I really don't do it excessively, it's just a couple of seconds. If I want better state, I approach more sets. But to each their own, remind me next time I'm talking too much about that and I will just mumble it to myself or get away from you for some minutes.
See you VERY soon!
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"Failure is caused by unwillingness to adapt!"
"If it's not rough, it is not fun!" - Lady Gaga, Philosopher
Doctor's Diary - my Field Reports live from Vienna: http://www.rsdnation.com/node/200128/forum
"If it's not rough, it is not fun!" - Lady Gaga, Philosopher
Doctor's Diary - my Field Reports live from Vienna: http://www.rsdnation.com/node/200128/forum
@Phantom: I forgot: Thanks for your feedback! One can tell you can analyze this stuff very well!
Thu, Feb 2nd
Went to the doctor, I got a minor bronchitis, but that doesn't stop me from hitting on girlies.
Had a date in the afternoon with an awesome 21 year old, going to a Magritte exhibition and later grabbing some food. I was afraid to make my move, finally did it over the table: "Come closer, I want to show you a trick!" She didn't want to see that trick with my tongue. We were drawing weird shit on the flip side of the dinner mats and had lots of fun. I knew this one would be difficult to get, but I don't even mind being friends with her, so nothing is lost. If she was older and I wasn't so heavily concerned with PU at the moment, she would maybe be GF material.
At night going to Volksgarten with Phantom and a wing of his (who apparently pulls). It's called "Thirty dancing" for people over thirty, but it should be called "Fifty dancing". Girls of all age categories are there though. Some have been really hot a while ago, but I catch myself thinking: "Do you REALLY want to do this?" A couple of times I want to approach, see the details as I'm getting closer and pretend to have come for, uhm... leaning against the bar behind her or something... Life is one big comedy, but we knew that.
On the toilet I meet an Italian guy who complains about "Sugar, nothing but fucking sugar!" After some time I understand what he means, he is actually disappointed about the quality of nose powder they are selling. He tells me he is staying at the Imperial, one of the most exclusive hotels in Vienna, and when he asked where he could get some good powder at the reception and offered 500 Euros for that information, the concierge told him he would call the police. He then proceeded to complain to the manager about this lack of service, lol! He later invites me to his mansion in Malaga and wants to introduce me to some random girl on the dancefloor, it's touching, lol. I love stories like this!
A smoking hot 40 year old in a mixed group. I just go for it without hesitation, this girl was an 11 a couple of years back, her body feels unbelievable! We banter about the lines with which guys are trying to pick her up, I say I would love to be a hot girl for one day to see how this goes down. She is rather dry, but somehow attracted, little chemistry though. I isolate her onto the dancefloor for some grinding, close dancing, etc., go for the KC several times, but no-go. Still she stays, dances forehead leaned onto forehand with me, lets me kiss her neck, etc... I wonder if this could have gone somewhere. After some time I have enough and send her back to her friends.
A quite hot blond Russian, she looks a little bit slutty, but seems to be classy, building up her own business (a magazine). She is leaning in, interrested in what I have to say, but when I want to wrap my arms around her waist, she resists, so I let her leave. Should have reapproached and gone for the number.
Anyways, I'm a bit mad at myself at the end of the night because I don't take enough action. I was tired and sick, but I could have approached a LOT more sets. The venue seemed to be fairly easy, at least many sets were hooked. No communication possible on the dancefloor, this fucks up some sets for me. Next time, try to ISOLATE (although difficult that early in the interaction). Also, I'm very mechanical today and sometimes don't even know what to say. A lot of what I do is bullshit (or, even worse: nothing). I'm 100% ok with a night like tuesday, almost without any results, but I tried my best. Perfect. Yesterday I was far from my best (with the venue being easier), and therefore that was bullshit.
So tonight I will be keeping a little list in my backpocket to make sure I follow the protocol. I will also start with mixed sets, I have to start to do this hardcore. Also, I will implement the PUSH when and as soon as I see attraction. And I will give them emotional spikes, not just dull conversation. That should be enough to keep me busy tonight!
Thu, Feb 2nd
Went to the doctor, I got a minor bronchitis, but that doesn't stop me from hitting on girlies.
Had a date in the afternoon with an awesome 21 year old, going to a Magritte exhibition and later grabbing some food. I was afraid to make my move, finally did it over the table: "Come closer, I want to show you a trick!" She didn't want to see that trick with my tongue. We were drawing weird shit on the flip side of the dinner mats and had lots of fun. I knew this one would be difficult to get, but I don't even mind being friends with her, so nothing is lost. If she was older and I wasn't so heavily concerned with PU at the moment, she would maybe be GF material.
At night going to Volksgarten with Phantom and a wing of his (who apparently pulls). It's called "Thirty dancing" for people over thirty, but it should be called "Fifty dancing". Girls of all age categories are there though. Some have been really hot a while ago, but I catch myself thinking: "Do you REALLY want to do this?" A couple of times I want to approach, see the details as I'm getting closer and pretend to have come for, uhm... leaning against the bar behind her or something... Life is one big comedy, but we knew that.
On the toilet I meet an Italian guy who complains about "Sugar, nothing but fucking sugar!" After some time I understand what he means, he is actually disappointed about the quality of nose powder they are selling. He tells me he is staying at the Imperial, one of the most exclusive hotels in Vienna, and when he asked where he could get some good powder at the reception and offered 500 Euros for that information, the concierge told him he would call the police. He then proceeded to complain to the manager about this lack of service, lol! He later invites me to his mansion in Malaga and wants to introduce me to some random girl on the dancefloor, it's touching, lol. I love stories like this!
A smoking hot 40 year old in a mixed group. I just go for it without hesitation, this girl was an 11 a couple of years back, her body feels unbelievable! We banter about the lines with which guys are trying to pick her up, I say I would love to be a hot girl for one day to see how this goes down. She is rather dry, but somehow attracted, little chemistry though. I isolate her onto the dancefloor for some grinding, close dancing, etc., go for the KC several times, but no-go. Still she stays, dances forehead leaned onto forehand with me, lets me kiss her neck, etc... I wonder if this could have gone somewhere. After some time I have enough and send her back to her friends.
A quite hot blond Russian, she looks a little bit slutty, but seems to be classy, building up her own business (a magazine). She is leaning in, interrested in what I have to say, but when I want to wrap my arms around her waist, she resists, so I let her leave. Should have reapproached and gone for the number.
Anyways, I'm a bit mad at myself at the end of the night because I don't take enough action. I was tired and sick, but I could have approached a LOT more sets. The venue seemed to be fairly easy, at least many sets were hooked. No communication possible on the dancefloor, this fucks up some sets for me. Next time, try to ISOLATE (although difficult that early in the interaction). Also, I'm very mechanical today and sometimes don't even know what to say. A lot of what I do is bullshit (or, even worse: nothing). I'm 100% ok with a night like tuesday, almost without any results, but I tried my best. Perfect. Yesterday I was far from my best (with the venue being easier), and therefore that was bullshit.
So tonight I will be keeping a little list in my backpocket to make sure I follow the protocol. I will also start with mixed sets, I have to start to do this hardcore. Also, I will implement the PUSH when and as soon as I see attraction. And I will give them emotional spikes, not just dull conversation. That should be enough to keep me busy tonight!
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"Failure is caused by unwillingness to adapt!"
"If it's not rough, it is not fun!" - Lady Gaga, Philosopher
Doctor's Diary - my Field Reports live from Vienna: http://www.rsdnation.com/node/200128/forum
"If it's not rough, it is not fun!" - Lady Gaga, Philosopher
Doctor's Diary - my Field Reports live from Vienna: http://www.rsdnation.com/node/200128/forum
I will also start with mixed sets, I have to start to do this hardcore.
me too, already shitting in my pants even though everybody says those are the easiest. Actually had some good reference experience with that, but didnt really come to my conscious yet :)
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