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Join Date: 11/26/2011 | Posts: 49

Hey Chinaboy you are an inspiration to everyone. Your work ethic is really second to none. Just nonstop action and no second thoughts.  Alex's style has been working great for me so far, I'm having so much fun with it and getting results. Just relaxing, chilling with the girl, not worrying about rushing or escalating too fast.
Good luck my man. Also I noticed you are a fan of starcraft and stuff on youtube. Awesome.
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Join Date: 02/20/2009 | Posts: 1692

 @bwidger85: True, most of my interactions are pretty short (few minutes), as I approach a lot of times on the street so girls are in a hurry...sometimes I cut it short if I don´t feel that we click together and get the number anyway (but not expecting a response). Weird that for my wing 3-5 min is enough. Most of the times it´s more like 3-4 mins.

@Feelthefear: Awesome mate! LOL U such a stalker.


Just wanted to write down some recent wins, thoughts, etc.

-My schoolmates giving me a shitton of peer pressure and even getting angry that I didn´t drink at our prom..."Why are you not drinkin" (angry tonality) "I just don´t like it" "Well, me too, but i still drink". Ha I know my boundaries I know myself, I am not gonna drink.
-Recognizing new sticking points: expressiveness + inner game (aka inner voice)
-Overeating is awesome. Not doing it as hardcore as before...but eating a LOT
-Read this blog today
-EC has been hammered enough for the past 1-2 months
-Acne is getting a lil bit better. Using proactiv daily (2x) but seems kinda slow. Have been using it for like a month consistently and 2 months inconsistently (so 3 months total)
-Kinda care less about PU. Not stressing over to keep being out 5+/week out
-Meditating consistently

So I am gonna focus on delivery (tonality + being more expressive with facial expressions and gestures) and a more positive inner voice.

I want faster results with PU, but pushing it hard has not proven to work very well for me so far. Eh, nevermind, let´s get balance in my life.

Also watched Yes Man. Imagined how would my life be if I´d say YES more. Yes to new experiences, not Yes to become a submissive little bitch. Gonna consciously say yes more often to new experiences.

New observation: The pickup agenda

Yep, I have a pickup agenda...i have a certain pickup mode that i turn myself into. It´s like "ahh, the streets, time to turn on the pickup guy."

As I live right in the center of city center I was just going home with no intentions of approaching girls, well what, missed on 2 girls who gave me EC...but when I walk on the same streets I feel kinda different.

I think there shouldn´t be this "turning on pickup mode"...instead approaching should be a part of my personality.

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Join Date: 12/05/2009 | Posts: 476

"Why are you not drinkin"
"I prefer heroin"

That's just my fucked up humour though. I cant see any acne on your face but get benzyl peroxide from a pharmacy plus a moisturizer.

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Join Date: 02/20/2009 | Posts: 1692

 7.2.2012 Daygame

So after the gym I was kinda rushing towards the bus stop. All I was thinking about was catching the bus. Well, I saw a really cute girl and I just asked myself "Why not?"

I was feeling pretty good after the gym, so decided to go direct.

She´s shy, I extend my hand and she´s hesitant to shake my hand...then we just shoot the shit, the conversation is pretty emotional, I am expressive (suprised by myself)...But the chillout and just share my hobbies and ask about hers...She has a tongue piercing, YES!

Told her that I just got out of the gym...she gives me a test about my skinniness. I just brush it off as if she said nothing.

So I didn´t catched my bus...I see her bus comming.

My thought was "Fuck, what do I do?"
"1. assume she´s gonna stay
2. get her number real quick"

I opt for the 1st option...the bus arrives and she says she has to go and starts leaving, I go for the number, nope denied. This made me feel very down. Wow, usually single blowouts do not affect me as I am not emotionally invested...but this left me thinking this "I did everything right, charismatic, expressive, emotional, fun....and it didn´t work" "lame, this is the kind of girl i am into and it didn´t worked out"

So I walk to the traffic light and see another cutie...Even though the approach logistics were bad I went for it. I approached her while we were crossing the road going in the same direction, as we crossed the road I stopped and introduced myself....she kept going "wait wait wait, I am Ivi, what´s your name?" "It´s irrelevant" and kept going.

Haha...she probably say me get rejected by the other girl while the previous girl was entering the bus as this new girl was getting out of that bus...whatever.

On my way home, my negative self dominated my´s fucking toxic and made me feel very sad and frustrated.

It´s comming up with a lot of stuff:
"Maybe it´s your looks (skinnines and acne)"
"It seems to go nowhere, like there´s no point to approach, it´s like going for another blowout after blowout"
"Look at your progress over the last 6 months, zero. Maybe you will never get BETTER at it, maybe you should just GIVE UP"
"I did everything right this time, why the fuck it didn´t work out? I was charismatic, expressive, emotional, confident, WTF???"
"This pickup thing doesn´t seems to be working, like you are actually doing something and you are only getting reference expreriences telling you that it doesn´t work"
"Is something seriously wrong with me?"
"I am just banging my head against the wall and being too stubborn to actually admit to myself that it is not working"

Seriously? Wow. I have had a lot of lows...but this one is very serious. I have never seriously considered GIVING UP PICKUP.

But actually in last 1 month of intense daygame I learned 2 things:
-Approach a lot during the day

Game=focus+discipline. I kinda lacked focus. Gonna incorporate it.

-Approached this cutie
-Was expressive and emotional
-Went for the kamikaze approach anyway

-2 approaches

-Never let the negative guy dominate your mind...always have this positive guy in your mind. ALWAYS!
-Results are outside your control, never let it affect you

Also thinking about giving up going to college...But if I do that, then I am on my financial support from parents.

Wow...if I let my negative self talk to me more often...I don´t know much I can take´s my stubborness, persistence, leverage, obsession that´s keeping me going. But I dunno for how much longer I will want to keep this going. Pickup is kinda poisoning my soul, soooo many negative emotions are getting attached to pickup.

I am crying as I am writing this.

Last time I cried was when I was 16yo, lying in bed while being in physical pain (after getting circumsized) and in emotional pain- realising how my life actually sucks, no girl (just wanted a girl to complete me), lazy, no hobbies, no friends, had social anxiety, had no future...thinking that there´s no point in living and about ending it all.

Right now I feel that there needs to be some serious changes in my life.
1. Give up PU
2. Push harder with PU as it´s not fun anymore. Just endure the pain.

On the bright side...i have not developed hate towards women. I still have love for them. No matter how many blowouts I got.

What´s making me depressed and frustrated is that I am realising that I will still have a "lame life" and that my hard work is not paying off. That´s probably why I am going back to when I was 16yo, depressed about having a lame/loser life (no friends, no women, no money, no hobbies, no future). Also I cannot accept having no women in my life, they are THE biggest motivator for me. For me it´s either live an awesome life or die.

Wanted to keep this journal positive...but feel like I need to be honest and reveal it all.

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Join Date: 12/05/2009 | Posts: 476

Stay strong. Remember Jeffy's book? He had about 100 moments like this. In a year you'll read that and laugh at it.

You're in the process of becoming a man and these are the wounds that make you stronger in the future. If you are interested in any of that, pick up a book called Iron John by Robert Bly.

Alex talks about the highs and lows in this:

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Dr Feelgood

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Join Date: 04/06/2011 | Posts: 1518

Sorry to hear you are having such a bad time! Don't give up, hey, you can't - you have become a role model on this board and the consequences for all the PUAs on here would be unforseeable.. :)

Remember, you are still very young, so you got a lot of time to get everything handled; that's a huge advantage! In worst case, go step by step, put PU on a pause till June and make sure you get out of fucking Brno first. Then hit it hard again.

And one more thing, this is important: Take a close look at the first set there; look what you wrote there:

ChinaBoy~ wrote:
Wow, usually single blowouts do not affect me as I am not emotionally invested...
That's exactly the point. This is what I meant when I said "The more sets, the less AA  ---> the less authenticity (= emotional investment)." So do more sets like this! The blowouts will hurt more, but you need to go to where it hurts.

That one girl not giving out her number doesn't mean shit; maybe you didn't have time to build up enough attraction, maybe she has a boyfriend and just liked the attention, maybe her dog died that day, who cares.

You need to do more sets while emotionally invested. This could also mean doing less sets every single night.

All the best!
"Failure is caused by unwillingness to adapt!"

"If it's not rough, it is not fun!"
- Lady Gaga, Philosopher

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Join Date: 11/12/2011 | Posts: 231

 I think you create too much tension in your head, you are outcome dependent to the max. All you think about is focus and discipline and having to be charismatic.

Come on JUST GIVE UP NOW, go out and make sloppy approaches. Just for fun... what else you gotta do? Focus on nothing DONT FOCUS. Let your tonality be bad, look to the ground... don't try to feel in any special way it doesn't matter. As an opener you just say "hi" and laugh at her. I also don't think this skinniness comment was a shittest at all. Just a her way to keep the conversation going. "Uhhh yeah? I'm bit skinny." Think "why does she make such an uncalibrated comment??" means--> it's her fault... You forgive her of course--> "But you're kinda hot, I bet you exercise the shit out of yourself everyday"
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Join Date: 01/14/2011 | Posts: 973

yh, the only advice i can give is to drop 'game' and just be completely sloppy now. Like literally, be a troll; say dumb shit and turn this into comedy. Like stuff you've always wanted to say to women but now you're actually doing it. Forget about getting results cause they'll just think you're a moron, which you'll gradually give less of a shit about the more you do this. Eventually you'll want to learn to calibrate this silliness, you'll become more emotionally attuned and it will turn into genuine self-amusement that you're BOTH enjoy. Just do this for now: talk shit.....and enjoy yourself.

Or give up on PUA which like Tim would say, isn't really a choice. The other choice is scarcity, pain and regret. Very predictable cause most of us have been there. But the PUA road is unpredictable and goes as deep as you want to take it. The choice is yours, you've motivated a lot of people just because of your persistence, you've had legit results, maybe not the best by your standards but you've still gained results on some nights which counts for something. Don't forget your victories; alex gets nervous too and has a album of all the hot girls he's banged just to remind him of how awesome he is. You should do the same with the little steps you've been taking.
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Join Date: 10/12/2009 | Posts: 1922

 If the girl is blowing you off as a line like "its irrelevant" 
Check your tonality, I would think you coming off incongruent/needy if she wont even stop to talk and shes rude. Or shes just a bitch, which is possible too.

Also, Tyler made this video for you 

I know you wont quit. Even if you want to, you'll be back at it soon enough =) 
Good luck on your journey. 
I just want to enjoy amazing girls. Crazy what sort of journey ive embarked on pursuing this quest.

My adventures in Dallas - 2013
 My adventures in Austin - 2012 
  Tyler/Julien, Honolulu Bootcamp July 2011 Tyler hotseat2 x5 (2011-2012) Alex hotseat x2 (2013)
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Join Date: 02/20/2009 | Posts: 1692

 @Voeoe: Remeber reading about Jeffy throwing his TV out of the window. 

@ Dr Feelgood: I know myself in this regard...any pause longer than 2-3 weeks would very likely turn into giving up. So if I stop going out consistently then it equals the end of this journey.

Yep, I number/blowouts don´t mean shit...

There´s no emotional investment if i haven´t even talked to those girls...but if we clicked and talked for a while and then get flaked....then there´s emotional investment from my side and i do care and it hurts a lil bit.

For YOU Jeffy you think Jeffy´s invested in "pussy"? (don´t wanna objectify...just talking in more Jeffy language haha) I don´t think Jeffy gives a shit about a single girl.

@Flamingo: Actually before I was really sloppy and I am thinking about bringing focus...something Tyler recommended (like 1 month to focus on rapport, another month to focus on another thing etc), also Alex recommended this.

Before I was pretty sloppy...Like I´d just approach and approach.

@Andre: I am thinking about how stupid i am by all this´s fucken retarded. I have had some minor victories and some bigger victories.

I guess I just cannot take one thing, that other people are progressing faster than me while working less hard than me. This is the thing I really hate and makes me frustrated.

I remember even with weight gain...soo consistent with the gym, eating a everyday I had nausea from the amount of the food i ate, puked a lot of times because of overeating and then seeing other people not even eating properly and not working out consistently and they had ripped and big bodies. Made me lose trust in all principles like discipline, hard work, consistency.

@roadrally: Probably.

Though I never really agreed with Tyler´s idea on congruency...if you are trying on new behaviors of course you will come off incongruent...but it will fix with time (with time and "practice" it will become congruent)

Well, I can´t really quit till end of this summer. Hopefully I will go on a holiday with a certain crew, most likely it will be 1000x better than BC.

@fear: Normal? I don´t think that my approaches are not normal.

I am not super silly, or saying too intense stuff...

Actually on daygame I am actually kinda wanted to be a lil bit more emotional.

But something must be wrong...whatever, will figure it out.

True, LOL. Maybe I should stop posting sooo much on this journal hehe.

BTW: Going to MUNICH for the hotseat

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