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WindChill88

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ChinaBoy~ wrote:
 27.12.2011 Night (Shanghai)- I am not comfortable just being social and have no pickup intentions
.................

So my wing is getting laid.

UG suggest an afterparty at her place...but i decided against it...it would be 2 guys, 1 probably non available girl, who´s not drunk and not very physically receptive.


I don't know about ya'll...but that sounds like that ukranian chick was down to fuck.
She invited you guys to her place, without you guys even asking.. for an afterparty (meaning get drunk)
she was probably jealous her friend was about to get some dick that night...so she wanted some to.

Believe me. I'm in the same situation as you.
It's like we don't notice these things while they're happening
..but when we look back..it's like "FUCK! She was down for it."
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jlaix

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About the balance thing, you got one part wrong. Yes Tyler advocates going crazy hard... BUT he goes crazy hard at all things simultaneously. He goes to the gym AFTER BOOTCAMP. He works on business EVERY DAY. And of course goes out every night. He hammers them all at once
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CBAABC

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 @Sharky: I can relate to some parts of the article.

"No, what I see the most is an infallible rigidity within themselves and within their day to day lives. Everything is set in stone, carefully planned out and carefully executed to produce the most optimal outcome to any scenario. However, being alive and being human is not a black and white affair, and it is here that lays the rub."

@Windchill88: I guess...i was in the whole "play not to lose" cuz it was my wing´s girl...so i tried to be normal and not alienate people. It´s better to take your chances, take every chance you get and you´ll increase the chances of getting laid.

@jlaix: Hahaha, his work ethic is crazy. That´s why he´s sucessfull.

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Dr Feelgood

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Sounds to me like AG was definitely down to get with you. Maybe UG was down too in the end, but having seen the situation in person you will be able to judge better.

I think the reason you didn't take those chances might have been some internal barrier to success, I see this all the time in beginner/ intermediate journals. It's not the first time I read about it in your journal, Paris Boom Boom does it, and I do it sometimes too: Chasing hard after some girl that seems difficult to get with, and then on the other hand missing good chances for petty reasons.

It's like something inside of us says:"You don't deserve that, you shouldn't get that!" Making it concious is the first step to get over it. Other than that, steady raise of entitlement is the answer.

Just do it!

Looking forward to NYE with you!
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 @ Creepy "Dr. Feelgood": True, maybe i should have just take the action and go with her...just assume the best, positivity, self trust (no need for reactions from girls, all you need is "quiet and attentive")

I should just try...Action > no action.

28.12.2011 Date + Night (Shanghai), ChinaBoy almost gets punked by a hooker



Very weird day but still adventure...unpredictable shit :)

Colombian chick replies to my message like 1 day after i text her...then i call her up but doesn´t pickup...today i called her up and she wants to meet up.

She´s over 10 min late so i call her up, she lets me know that she´s also with her friend...so i my mind i am like "omg, but at least it´s a new experience". She needs another 10 min so I get bored and walk around and take pictures.

Got approached during daygame (weird)
So I am walking and a girl leaves a group of people she was previously in...She was cute, i´d fuck her.

"hey, do you know where Zara is?" then bombards me with questions.

Me a bit confused "uhh, maybe over there...do you need anything?"

"I am just travelling, i got here 3 days ago, I don´t know Shanghai, do you know any sights?"

I am a little bit on my head...thinking "WTF is this? she´s very talkative, is standing very close to me"

"I am cold let´s go somewhere drink some coffee"

"I am here waiting for my friends"

She gets impatient and a bit pushy "but i wanna go, it´s cold, let´s just go only us 2"

I am weirded out by her pushiness and how she´s trying to physically lead me there...i am calmly tell her "it´s cool, relax, i am meeting my friends"

The whole time i was thinking is she´s a hooker, or in an organized gang of kidnappers or like if it was some sort of a scam. So i tried to get to know her...asked her about her hobbies, i get vague answers...She doesn´t wanna dive in the personal stuff.

By now the columbian is late by 30 or more mins...so i decided to call up my friend, as i am on the phone, columbian with her mexican friend comes up, the asian girl is confused.

Asian girl gets pissed and says "I thought we are meeting your guy friends not girl friends"

I am relaxed just completely chill, "yea, you wanna join us?"

She didn´t wanted to...so hug and bye,

Date turned into hangout with her and her friend (weird)
So we go to the Bund cuz i need to take pics...Actually her mexican friend (MG) is cuter than my columbian girl (CG). We go chill out, talk, get to know each other. Some light physicality with CG but not too much cuz her friend is there.

Meetup with my wing...the girls are kinda liking him, gets my mood a bit down and when i am saying something like "so is the hotel close, cuz i need to pee" MG would say "dude just don´t worry"...massive durr haha, she sensed the shift in my attitude and mood. I am not super talkative so i just chill, sometimes chip in the conversation.

We go to Zapata´s together. Just chill at a table, with Shisha, tried but smoking is not my thing.

I isolate CG...take some pics of the bar, eskimo kiss, go for the kiss, she pulls away. After another 1-2 min...again, get the cheek...after another 1-2 min...hug, kiss on the cheeks, go for the lips, get the cheek. I pull her downstairs to the dancefloor...smell her, kiss her neck she pulls away fast...so i chill out. Then she needs to go to the toilet so decided to give up and go upstairs to hangout with others.

Said to myself : "fuck this, i am not getting laid, so i don´t really care about them...not receptive to escalation is ok (cuz i can just persist) but the logistics are fucked cuz she needs to wake up early for school"

Really didn´t gave a fuck so i didn´t even bothered to talk...Wow, I am sooo motivated by sex.

My wing tries to help...so he says let´s play a game "passing the smoke by lip to lip contact, one exhales into another ones mouth"...we do it...i am bored and non chalant cuz i knew it has no future (sex).

They leave at cca 1 AM...I am happy that they left cuz i wanted to talk to other girls. Was thinking about how to ditch them, maybe i should be an asshole necxt time and just leave them and go hit on other girls.

Tap some foreigner girls on their way to toilet, full ignore.

My wing introduces me to some girls...then i turn around and see 2 girls, i am choding...after a few minutes i go in.

"You guys look american"
"I am from Brazil"
"I am from Estonia"

Think for half a sec "Terre" (Hi in estonian)
she lights up and i introduce myself.
My wing comes, i introduce him and then push him to the brazilian so i can talk to the estonian.

We´re talking, full range of emotions, hug for 5-10 mins...i shot at her 2-3 questions and the last one "what´s the name of you BF?" she GIGGLES and says some name...Alex says when the girl looks sad then it means BF. But i still gave up cuz they needed to wake up early tommorow and it was kinda tiring trying to chat them up on the dancefloor (aha, i should have isolated her).

I really didn´t wanted to get contacts (has a BF, i am leaving tommorow,...)...but did it just for implementing "the closer mentality". Dude, just take the contacts and you can even delete them immediately. Just get the number everytime, then you don´t have to save it in your phone.

Approach another foreigner girl.

"French"
"No, I am from Germany"
Talk, tell her that i am from Czech Republic...blablabla
 Just talking shit...noticed a bit of the arousal dynamics. "I hate you" her emotions shot through the roof, "You are a nerd" again emotional spike. Also meet her friends...one likes me another one doesn´t. I try to engage her but she doesn´t want to a just wants to steal my girl...
Get the number, FB...chat for a bit. Meetup is kinda difficult cuz she´s with her friends as a tourist...but gonna try. Talked to her for like 10 mins.

We bounce to a loud ass club called 88.

We arrive before 3 AM. We see some hot girls, wing is like go talk to them...me: "durr, excuses....ok fuck it". Go up, tap, something in english they ignore me, i tap, ignore...i leave with a beaming smile.

get to the coat check...approach a girl in front of me...she looks at me and then turns her back saying nothing, i tap her, ignore, i tap her, ignore, tap "i am ivi" and give her my hand...she shakes it and then ignores me...

We get in and my 1st thought "fuck this is awesome!!! so here are the hot chicks of Shanghai" we go around, i am there with my coat on, my dslr camera and a bag of clothes (cuz i still didn´t got time to get home) and still approached girls.

See 2 foreigner girls.
"Russian"
"No swedish"
Her friend interrupts and i immediatelly look at her kinda suprised...i guess she thought that i reacted i was just suprised cuz she came out of nowhere.
"you are gonna be my eskling" (swedish for honey, the spelling is wrong though)
She freaks out and starts to push me away...her friend is blocking me away, motioning "bye"
I persist
A guy comes in and claws them
I persist but the friend goes away while i am still tapping her.
Leave the set amused.

There´s hookers in the club...girls having a good time, being all high energy, guys high energy or just drunk, but then you have thi group of girls standing, just low energy, they are in a group but they are not facing each other to make themselves more approachable. Those are hookers but damn hot, better than shanghainese girls...cuz the hookers looked sexy opposed to shanghainese girls who dress cute not sexy.

I hate hookers (weird)
I see this black chick...who´s in the same mode as those chinese hookers...i just approach. Then my friend goes in so i move on to her friend...who´s actually hotter. Prolonged handshake, she´s rubbing my back, looks interested. Then bouncer pulls her away and talks to her, so i got my 1st red signal.

Pull my friend away and we chat...we don´t really know if they are hookers...so i suggest venue change to a quiet area and get to know them.

"Let´s go sit over there"
"OK" no resistance
I am weirded out in my head...thinking "wow that was smooth, no resistance" red signal.
We sit, she has her hand on my thighs, talk, she´s from Kenya...i claw. Actually i get a hard on cuz her hand is on my thigh and our faces are close. Everytime i look down at her lips she smiles and gives me a little push.
I try to get to know her...she says that she´s a tourist, i try to get to know her, hobbies? none...another red signal.
We talked for like 10-15 mins...my girls gets from flirty to pissed mood "I am tired, i wanna leave"...i am suprised.
Ask her about if she drank a lot..she says she doesn´t drink a lot.
So we leave the club, but she´s not even walking with us, instead just walking really slow....red signal.
We get out "i suggest an after party" we buy some booze.
The vibe is weird...i tell her "where do you guys live, after party"
Vibe is weird, now i know why...cuz she was thinking about "money wasn´t discussed even yet" and maybe she was trying to figure out how to break it down for us that they are hookers.
I repeat myself, she says "but if i am gonna go with you, you´ll have to give me money"
I think of bullshit excuse and bail with my friend.

Go back to the club for beasting...but nothing.

Outside i see the swedish and her friend (french) who blew me off like 30 min ago. I say to the french in a chill authentic way (kinda likey Tyler in some vids or Julien when i met him) "hey do you know where the club M2 is?" she starts to talk to me...

She´s actually with some chinese guys, 2 girls, 2 guys (1 is BF). She asks the guy "can you give me the adress to M2" the guy was just being asshole, didn´t wanted to, then got angry at the french chick for her talking to me. I just observe, amused. Swedish girls comes back crying, i go in...they are like "just go, look the guys"...i get the message and think it´s on that i just need to chill and wait till they sort out their stuff. But nope they get pulled away.

Farewell to my wing. Arrived home at 5 AM realising that i have been out for 12 hours (shopping, date, clubs)

Victories:
-Bought some awesome clothes (including a leather jacket, got some really fitting clothes)
-Tons of lessons cuz tonight experienced a lot of new experiences
-Girl bringing her friend to a date...silly girl
-Trying to get rid of girls from the "date"...
-Meeting this hot estonian girl...recommended me to checkout Tartu
-Blow outs were amusing...always left with a beaming smile, silly girls they don´t know what´s good for them, they don´t know how awesome i am
-Talking to hookers not knowing that they were
-Reapproached from a blow out set and it went well

Conclusion:
-7 hours
-5-8 approaches
-4 fbs, 1 number

Lessons:
-I am very motivated by sex. I am one horny motherfucker.
-Girls approaching me during day is out of my reality...so be empathetic when you approach girls during the day...they are also gonna think "WTF?"
-Impatience, rushing, pushiness is sooooooo fucking yuck. I am sooo turned off by this. By the girl who approached me, then by my grandma who´s pushy, by my mom who´s such an impatient person.
-Persistance vs. Pushiness. Plowing aka persistence works, cuz it´s calibrated, you go for the kiss, don´t get it, chill for a while and then go for it again. But pushiness is just uncalibrated, for example "go for kiss, no go, immediatelly go for kiss again, no go, immediatelly go for kiss again". pushiness is needy and uncalibrated
-Fuck being nice...be an asshole. The girl took her friend with her on a date, then i wanted to get rid of them cuz i knew there´s no sex...i should have just left them and meet other chicks that might have been DTF
-Be more animated with facial expressions. implemented it tonight.
-Just chill, it´s all good. No need to worry. Self trust. No need to get worried when the girls (from the date) seemed to like my wing more than me
-Closer mentality...always go for the number even if you know it´s not worth it/it´s not possible to take it further/...
-Don´t get the kiss, chill out, go for it after 1-2 min...calibration
-Stay in the set. Who cares about distractions like friends, male friends, etc...just stay, wait and then reengage.
-Trust your guts...i knew something was a little bit off...it was, they were hookers
-Use the triangular gaze, makes me horny
-Shanghai sucks for meeting girls

My take and tips on Shanghai

Why Gaming in Shanghai sucks
-Chinese girls aren´t very sexy, they like to be all cute like little kids, they are feminine and submissive
-When chinese girls complain, whine, they also do these squeeky noises that you just want to cut off your penis or kill yourself...so annoying
-Night life is pretty expensive for my standards. Drinks for cca 8-15 dollars, beer is 7 dollars, juice is 7 dollars (this is what i drink), you gotta take the cab which is cheap compated to cabs in other countries but i don´t normally use cabs which is cca 10-15 dollars.
-Hookers in some clubs, which makes you a bit in your head thinking whether she is a normal girl or a hooker
-Meeting chinese girls as a foreigner can be tricky cuz some girls are just using you for the money (from what i have heard)
+only upside is that it´s a huge city and if you are into chinese girls then you can practially  approach a shit ton of sets (daygame/clubs)
+It´s good if you are a foreigner cuz foreigners tend to group together with other foreigners...it´s like how asian people are in communities in the west. So you can meet a lot of expats which are down to fuck

How to be a cheapskate when going out in Shanghai
-Pre drink. Buy beer at those nonstop groceries which is for 1 dollar or buy water which is 50 cents
-Food at street vendors (1,5 dollars) or food in nonstop groceries (2 dollars)
-Go to places with no cover
-Don´t buy drinks in bars/clubs
-You still need to take a cab (5-15 dollars)

Types of venues:
1. less loud bars/clubs (Zapata´s, The Apartment)
-Easy to meet girls
-The chinese girls who go there aren´t really dressed up and all done up so they aren´t very hot
-Lot´s of foreigner girls at Zapata´s and the Apartment

2. Very loud clubs (88)
-Hard to meet girls (you need to yell in their ears)
-Really drunk people
-Hot chinese chicks but there are also hookers

Avoiding scams
-Ignore people approaching you during the day unless it´s a foreigner.
-Deal with the price...bargaining

The hooker radar
-You can see that the energy levels are different. People are there partying and they are just they very chill (standing/sitting)
-They are also making themselves approachable
-They don´t really drink
-No resistance to venue change
-Physical with you right off the bat
-When talking about personal stuff, trying to get to know them they just don´t tell you
-The way they dress

Fucken awesome night...adventure times. A lot of new experiences. Disregard females acquire fun adventures. Nah, just kidding sex is my motivation

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CBAABC

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 @Raygoose: Yea, my bad. Next time I´ll just take action. Even if i wouldn´t fuck it would have been an awesome experience.

Still not very fammiliar with the afterparties...now i start to get it more. Afterparty=high chance of sex.

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To make sure i don´t out...i am gonna approach girls at Dubai´s airport...hope there´s gonna be people abetween 5-10 AM.  

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Resaj

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I love your dedication. Inspiring :)
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Dr Feelgood

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ChinaBoy~ wrote:
Got approached during daygame (weird)
So I am walking and a girl leaves a group of people she was previously in...She was cute, i´d fuck her.

"hey, do you know where Zara is?" then bombards me with questions.

Me a bit confused "uhh, maybe over there...do you need anything?"

"I am just travelling, i got here 3 days ago, I don´t know Shanghai, do you know any sights?"

I am a little bit on my head...thinking "WTF is this? she´s very talkative, is standing very close to me"

"I am cold let´s go somewhere drink some coffee"

"I am here waiting for my friends"

She gets impatient and a bit pushy "but i wanna go, it´s cold, let´s just go only us 2"

I am weirded out by her pushiness and how she´s trying to physically lead me there...i am calmly tell her "it´s cool, relax, i am meeting my friends"

The whole time i was thinking is she´s a hooker, or in an organized gang of kidnappers or like if it was some sort of a scam. So i tried to get to know her...asked her about her hobbies, i get vague answers...She doesn´t wanna dive in the personal stuff.

By now the columbian is late by 30 or more mins...so i decided to call up my friend, as i am on the phone, columbian with her mexican friend comes up, the asian girl is confused.

Asian girl gets pissed and says "I thought we are meeting your guy friends not girl friends"

I am relaxed just completely chill, "yea, you wanna join us?"

She didn´t wanted to...so hug and bye,

Aaaah, did you do it again? Let a good chance slip through your hands? Should have ditched the colombian whore, 30 minutes late means she can go fuck herself anyways.

I have done stupid stuff like that so many times - it's hard to break this pattern! Raise of sense of entitlement is the answer, this comes over time as one gets better. For now it's just good to make it concious to yourself what happened there!

The whole thing sounded a bit unusual, but maybe that's how they roll in Shanghai.
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 holy crap dude, this is seriously epic here
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@resaj: thanks man, so jelous that you live in the coty you live in. Gotta love those scandinavian girls.

@dr feelgood: i consulted this with my wing... He told me it could be those chicks who you pay to hangout with you. Srsly you dont know China, chinese people have this saying "if you have the chance to rip someone off/cheat, do it"

I am 90% sure that it wasnt a regular girl.

I tried to leadvthe chinese girl to a clothes store but she would insist on going to some place, a lot of red flags.

@wtfjusthappened: its gonna be more epic with time, i am just 4,5 months in PU.

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