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Dr Feelgood

Dr Feelgood

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ChinaBoy wrote:
Lessons:
-Being intense, supper ballsy, Tyler style is not for me...I end up being fake, all pull pull pull...I better focus on Natural instincts method
This is what I wanted to tell you in Vienna. From the little that I have seen and read of you, I think your problem is you are coming across a bit too "gamey" while at the same time being pretty intense. Operating a bit too much behind a "mask" of PU to get over those many blowouts you are taking - ironically that "mask" makes you getting blown out more. Just my 2 cents.

I don't know what exactly "Natural Instincts Method" means though.
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CBAABC

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 pffffffff...In Vienna I wasn´t super intense...

I was just an approach mashine, you haven´t seen super intense me:D :D :D

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CBAABC

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Natural instincts method rock!!!!!

Having so much fun, being so relaxed.

Just writing this from a club in Prague. So many hotties and stunners.

EDIT: it´s all about realising that it´s all good. The girls will come, you do not need to be stressed and sarge the venue.

Tonight i was feeling good, yesterday i felt really down and tired from being fake.

Just play out the time frames of the night and trust yourself

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CBAABC

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 @Mayhem: Yes, thx for a good tip. Gonna keep it in my mind.

25.11.2011 daygame

I see this cutie and i am all curous about her...I am like i don´t wanna approach but i started automatically going up to her, go up to her "excuse me, do you know where ...is? "no" "I love photogrtaphy, i am Ivi"...she goes away.

25.11.2011 Night (pulled but no fuck)

So went out with my friend Ralf PR (btw: check out his journal). We went to infinity like at 0:30.

When i arrived i was sooo stifled, so chodey and nervous...I looked around, so many stunners, people dressed up, high class, older crowd (23+)...And then me, being underdressed, young and loíoking even younger.

So for the first 45 min i didn´t approach...just unwinded, moved my shoulders, had my weight on my heels, tapped my feet...After those 45 min i started to feel relaxed and unwinded. Started to have fun and enjoyed the music.

Very hot slovakian
Approach her. Intro, shake hands, hug, 3 kisses...talk some random shit, being positive and negative...she´s at the bar ordering stuff so the flow of the conversation is a bit off...but i remembered to trust myself and persist...So then talked to her more...she gets the drinks and is like meet my friends...go with her but her friends are at the dancefloor...i leave her (WTF? mistake). Later see her making out with a dude, sitting in his lap.

Later I approach her, brush n lead her to talk...Talk a bit. Then she´s like i need to go to my BF...So i let her go.

2 fucking model looking stunners
Brunnete and a blond...fucking tall. They are walking by...i approach them, ignore, again, ignore...i give up.

Later see the brunnette alone...go up to her, say my name to her, ignore, repeat, ignore, repeat, ignore...after like repeating myself 5-6 times, tapping her shoulders and she just ignoring me...i go away...she was also drunk as hell, blank stare in her eyes.


Also approached a chick..she says her name and tells me that she´s here alone...Hahahaha. But she was all dancing and stuff...also tall as hell. So talking to her was tiring and she was all drifting away...so i didn´t pushed it.

27yo brunnette and 28 yo blonde sister pull
So i approach the blonde...then immediatelly a guy comes in and is touching the blonde, blonde says that this is the BF. OK, so i approach the brunnette in a were friendly way. She´s all into me, touching me, kinda lacking shittests also she says that a dude is her BF. I am kinda thinking that it´s true. So after being arousing to her for a while...i go away.

Later I am chilling with my friend Ralf PR...she comes up to me...we started talking. Me being relaxed and arousing...i introduce my friend to her and her blonde friend...my girl gets pulled away by this dude (i thought it was the BF) so i do nothing...my friend is talking to the blonde and she likes him.

At like 3:30 i see the brunette and go talk to her...she has her jacket in her hand...i ask her with who she came here with...only her and her sister. I my mind i am like "fuuuuuck, she doesn´t have a BF"...They are leaving, i get the idea of leaving with them. So i tell my friend that we are leaving. Also hugged her and gave her a peck on the lips and got the number. We get the coats.

Immediatelly when we get out of the club, my girl starts to be all annoyed...testing me super hard. She´s testing me verbally hard...i just laught it off or say it´s fine, or ignore it and keep going...the whole time i am also talking bullshit so they are all aroused, saying that i am funny, how do i come up with that shit, etc.

We are walking for already like 20 minutes and i remember the Moment of realness by Julien. That i need to be chill, start to connect with her. So i asked her "do you read books?" she and the blonde crack up...not my intention to make them laugh...so just some questions n shit. Try to hold her hand but no go, then she´s like stop touching me...the whole way she´s telling me: here´s the metro bye, what do you wanna achieve by this, you are not going to our place, i don´t like anything, i don´t even like sex.

Like she stopped me and said "seriously, here´s the metro, go there, you guys are not comming to our place"...i start talking shit to make her forget it and start walking...

We get to her door, "you guys are not comming in". I need to piss, she´s closing the door, but i put my hand on the door...i repeat myself that i need to piss...so we go inside, they are like were walking to dogs now...she needs to get up at 9 AM for some horse riding. So we leave the appartment, I started being real chill, asking personal questions about her, letting her talk more, then went hand in hands...this time she wasn´t resisting physicality.

They walked us to the metro, i said something about us going sightseeing tommorow but she was kinda hesitant...but i´ll go for it today anyways. hug, kiss the cheeks, want to get a peck on the lips but she pulls away...do it once more and get a weak avoidant peck on the lips. And part ways...texted her: "enjoy the horses ;)". BTW: my friend actually made out with his girl, she was all cheerfull, touching my friend n stuff. Right on Ralf PR!!!

random things from this interaction:
-i had to lie about my age, saying 23
-I had to lie about my job...this lieing didn´t felt good
-they said how funny i am
-she tested me: insults, giving me shit, teasing me, your not comming to my place, heres the metro,...
-said our goodbyes at 5:20. So we spent total of over 2 hours together


We go to Václavské náměstí for some street beasting hahaha. He approaches 2x but nothing...I approach 3 times and nothing. Oh, i need to tone it down on the street fuck BR tonality...i am doing it too much on the streets

We get back at 6 AM hahaha.

Victories
-Went from all chodey, nervous to having fun, being relaxed and expressive
-Got blown out by a lot of stunners, like 5
-Approached a lot of stunners
-Pulled, dealt with a lot of tests (verbal tests are so easy to endure, harder is to deal with all the bullshit in club, distractions n stuff)
-Learnt soooo fucking much from this pull
-soo happy that i basically made the pull happen for both of us

Conclusion:
-6 hours out
-15+ approaches
-1 solid number

Lessons:
-I love natural instincts method (NIM)...it´s the shit, beware of using advice from other intructors cuz it usually doesn´t suit me
-Self trust, even if you arrive at a venue all nervous...trust that you will get relaxed after some time
-Club is a temple of relaxation
-Girls can actually like me for me
-WTF is this demontrate value? WTF is this: "oh, you need to be dominant, you need to be physical" fuck that. Just relax.
-It´s not that my game is bad...it´s me intimidating girls by me being too intense. But tonight i wasn´t intense...so this is like a lesson from yesteday
-If she tells you it´s her BF, it may not be true...
-Leave when the girl leaves(leave with them). Eventually they will have to go sleep
-Screen more...She´s like i gotta wake up early, i went for the pull anyways
-Tests: i love them. Verbal tests are soo ease to endure, especially if you just walking to her place (in my head i was thinking that this is on so enduring tests was even easier)
-"You´re not coming to my place", "here´s the metro, go home"....just tests, endure them
-Chill the fuck out more...don´t be too arousing. Also let her game you. Especially when walking home, keep some emotions but also connect with her...I felt like i was overgaming her...then she´d just freak out and think: "he´s actually not cool, because why is he doing so much? ahh, he doesn´t trust himself"
-From energy arousal to relaxed arousal towards the end of the night
-I am actually really disciplined and take a lot of action, but i have too high expectations of myself to even see it. Thx Ralf PR
-4 times rule (wasn´t really persistent tonight...usually persisted only 2-3 times)


Game plan: approach, be arousing for a while, brush n lead her to a place where it´s less loud, chill the fuck out an let her game you.

The biggest lesson: This is fun. You never know what can happen. So just approach, persist.

Fuck it´s 7:30 AM...time to sleep.

ChinaBoy
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CBAABC

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I think that i have progressrd a lot lately.

Sure i am not getting so many make outs like before (when i was 1 month in and being this hardcore psychopath)

But i have from time to time (1-2x a week a long solid interaction) and also going out became fun.

Before i was motivated by getting laid/losing my virginity and viewed going out as hard work where i needed to push hard. Now going out is fun.

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Tezer

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Nice to see your progress.

Wait, so did you actually have sex with this Slovakian girl or just go to her place and nothing happened?
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CBAABC

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 The slovakian girl had a BF...

Me and my friend Ralf PR double pulled from another set (27yo,28yo). We went to their place to pee, my girl had to get up early...then they walked us to the metro station.

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 26.11.2011 Night

So went out with Ralf PR and S.

Went to Lucerna...kinda dead at 11:15 PM. Also not the best night of the club, not many hotties, old chicks like 24+, but i didn´t felt intimidate as in Infinity where you had stunners, dressed up hotties,...

S is just a funny guy...does some dancing in front of girl...i am amused.

I go approach a mixed set...They were dismissing me..after pesisting like 5-6 times i left.

15yo blonde + 16 yo brunette
Approach them...they are loving me. Me being arousing...then i lead my blonde a bit (brush n lead)...then the brunette wants to dance as a good song comes up...So they are like let´s dance n shit. I get the number.

Later talk to them...they are just loving me.

Even when i am talking to some girls, they are like close to me and giving me jealous looks. I figure out that she has a BF but the brunette doesn´t.

I also lead them to sit down...I also implemented the "value inversion point"...i just said it verbally: "I am tired of talking, now it´s time for you to start asking questions about me"

When we were chilling and the table...the brunnette ran off...i took this opportunity for a makeout...got a one...but i broke it like after 2 sec. The logistics were like that they have to leave at 3:15 for a cab...so i was like, nah...Also my girl was a virgin and religious. After i heard this i was like...she´s 15 (making me almost a pedophile), she´s a virgin (pain in the ass when going for sex), religious...so i let her go.

But the interaction was really good...we spent at least like 15-30 minutes on and off.

Slovakian blondie + brunnette that i wanted to pull
I approach the blonde...don´t remember in which situation but i always approach "hey, i am ivi" shake hands, hug, 3 kisses. Also S goes in and the brunnette likes him.

So we talk to them..then go chill with them at the tables. A song comes up...my girl gives me her purse and they go dance...so we chill. After like 3-5 minutes brunette comes back...says: "let´s go dance"...she leads us to where they are dancing...so i dance with my girl and he with his...i go for the makeout...but i just gave her a peck on the lips, she grabs my head and makes out with me.

Later chill with her...also let her game me..."i am done talking, you ask me questions". Did this also pre makeout when were chilling.

They were drunk, wanted to party hard, said to me that they are staying till the end of the night...so i had no worries.

Welp, they must have left around 3 AM and i never found them again...juck.


I see community guys that were at the Julien´s speech...they are in a chode crystal...i wanted to help them...so i told them to follow me. I started approaching.

Teacher
Approach her...she´s with some dudes that are nearby...but i ignore them. I brush n lead her a few feet away...talk. Then do it again. Also i am arousing but then i verbalise the value inversion point...let her talk.

I try to kiss her neck, but no go...then i try to kiss her on the lips but no go. I try to lead her somewhere to sit but no go...i fucked up but by lack of self trust and by "oh, this is not going anywhere, so i´ll make it go somewhere" and bringing the retard out of me. Also I was rushing so i fucked it up by that.

Quiet and attentive (really awesome set)
Approach this very cute girl with her friend. Intro, try to hug her but i sense resistance so i don´t push it (yay! calibration), say something, ask her to introduce us, shake hands with her friend and claw my girl and ask her if we look like the worst couple and then if we look like a perfect couple.

I am being arousing as usual, talk, her friend is laughing, she´s kinda shy, doesn´t talk much. Gets distracted by her friend, I say her name, she snaps her attention back to me in a split second. I know it´s on.

Then her another drunk blonde friend comes in, distracts the girl in attempt to blow me off (this is my spidey sense). So say something to the girls. The drunk girl says something to blow me away, but i stay and know it´s on and the girls like me. She pushes me away pretty hard, I didn´t react and came back in. She pushes me away again hard (i almost felt down if i hadn´t learnt from Krav Maga how to withstand a push), I come back in and say something to my girl. Her original friend and my girl tells the drunk girl that i am cool and clearly the drunk girl knows that i am cool.

So i start talking again to my girl, she´s not talking, I have a little trouble to keep amusing myself. She says that she´s leaving soon and that she wants to sleep...i conclude that this is not where i want to stay and I see the 15yo blonde giving me jealous looks so i go talk to her instead.


I was pretty persistent...I approach the hottest girl in the club...they wanted to leave but i hold their hand so they couldn´t leave...and basivally just was really persisting.

Got a lot of blowouts but didn´t really cared. And from some of then i just ejected because it was a bit tiring and i wanted to relax.

At cca 3 AM...i am just looking around the club, not really approaching...i am looking for the slovakian blonde (didn´t found her, she left), looking for Seth (he left), looking for Ralf PR (found him after like 45 min of searching). Ralf PR has been talking to this chick for sooo long. So i have no girl to pull so i go to the dancefloor, kinda out of state, tired, a bit anxious. Didn´t wanted to approach. Then i heard the word "pain of discipline"

So i started approaching...Blowout, blowout, blowout from a wam approach, go up to a girl...she´s super friendly, like her face is all cheerfull, I am suprised by this, she´s like: "do you wanna dance?" I brush n lead her away from friends. Talk to her, she´s asking me questions...but she´s too friendly...so i ask her "what´s the name of your BF" she says the name...then she wanted to leave so i tried to make her stay...but she runs off.

I walk...a girl grabs my shirt...i say: "hey i am ivi" she introduces me...then she says "fuck off" pushes me away, i am amused and decided to stay just to deal with bullshit, so i stay, she´s fucking pissed and pushes me away...so i leave...hahaha drunk girls

Then I am just focusing on not losing Ralf PR...cuz i am crashing at his place. His girl is with 3 friends. So we leave the club, the tram station is just in front of it...the girls all go to the tram, one is like should i go with them? Ralf´s girl tells her to go. Haha, it´s on.

So then we all walk to his place...now i guess they are fooling around in his room as i am typing this...fuark, kinda disturbing my writing hahaha. This dude is on fire, yesterday we pulled, and tonight he pulled. Hahaha.

Seeing him pulling and me not pulling i kinda felt butthurt...but then i though of what i´d become in 3 years and that cheered me up. I am gonna become a beast at this...like pulling a lot.

Victories:
-Applied the 4 times rule
-Applied the value inversion point and being chill and doing less- aka letting her game you
-Had sooo much fun, especially in the beginning of the night
-Approached a lot
-Pushed myself,  at the end of the night i was feeling kinda down but i still approached
-2 makeouts
-3 longer interactions
-Was basically on my own for 1-2 hours...so no emotional support from wings, like blowout oh, so i´ll fall back to my friends
-Approached even the tallest chicks, like 20 cm taller than me haha.

Conclusion:
-6 hours out
-cca 15-20 approaches
-3-4 numbers
-2 makeouts

Lessons:
-You are enough
-Just relax, it´s all good. Doesn´t matter if you enter the club kinda nervous, you´ll eventually unwind
-Brush n lead without saying anything is sooo awesome...before i just lacked entitelment for it...now i just go for it.
-Started focusing more on isolation
-You can just chill around the girls, you don´t need to always be talking or having her talking to you
-I need to do less, trust myself, let her game me.
-Never let the girls you wanna pull out of your sight...i just simply lost them
-Self trust, no need to make it go somewhere
-Screen hard, so you do not end up wasting too much time on a girl you´re not gonna fuck
-Game is fun
-A night can be a rollercoaster...i went from chilled, having fun to butthurt, feeling kinda down...WTF? why am i always feeling butthurt at the end of the night? because i just care too much about pulling, i feel butthurt cuz i am not pulling and see all the girls paired up and near the end of the night.

What i applied lately:
-Brush n lead (sometimes with no reason, sometimes: so people do not bump into you,...)
-Letting the girl game you by being more chill and verbalising the value inversion point
-Being more persistent (4 times rule)


I guess i´ll have trouble falling asleep, hearing the sounds from the other room...hahaha, just heard the girl says: "You are not getting any tonight". I hope they´ll fuck and that i won´t have trouble falling and staying asleep.

ChinaBoy
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Dr Feelgood

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Nice... I'm writing my field report like a maniac at 6 am, then I see another maniac has posted 22 min before me - that would be you!

Sounds like you had a tight night, and even more importantly, you are progressing!

Value inversion point, never heard this, have to use it.

"What's the name of your boyfriend?", ha ha, tight calibration!
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CBAABC

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Haha...

Also learned from my friend S about calibration, if you go in and scare them off then take a half step back. Empathy.


So date with the girl we pulled on friday night and then i am off to Brno

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