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December 10th, 2016
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Turok

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Join Date: 06/08/2010 | Posts: 588

I went to the NYC hotseat and had a pretty cool learning experience afterwards.

One of the last things we went over was working with a girl's conservative side and adventerous side simultaneously to get her home.  THis was probably the part of the seminar I cued in to the most because I had lost a bunch of girls recently coming down the home-stretch.  Tyler talks about how you learn in this game through pain and this is just like that - I had recent pain of not closing a couple cute-ass girls that I had invested a substantial portion of my night in, where it was fully on but I just couldn't finagle them home.

So anyway the idea is that you agree with everything the conservative side says and let it be the surface context while simultaneously IGNORING all that shit and spiking her adventerous self.  So last night right after program I'm talking to this fairly cute brunette.  Its on but she seems conservative and not really the type to have a ONS.  Or so I would have thought.  Instead of doing what I used to do and bailing for a more conspicuously DTF girl or just taking the # (which never really works out for me) I just fully assumed that this chick was down and trusted that ALL girls have ONS sometimes.  This was another thing Tyler stressed - EVERY chick goes home with guys sometimes.

So she's saying all this bullshit about how she's been in relationships her whole life, she doesn't do bad shit, blah blah blah.  I'm just vibing with her and agreeing but intermittently doing playful things like biting her neck, making a forward playful sexual comment, going for the makeout, etc.  This goes on for literally like an hour and I can tell she's slowly getting more and more horny.  I can literally see the adventerous self coming to the surface, as we're making out more passionately, the conversation is lingering on sexual comments more, she's pushing up into me, etc.  However this whole time we're ignoring the fact that things are heating up and still maintaining the surface verbal context of how she's innocent and I'm NOT coming home with her, she's leaving with her friends, etc.  Instead of taking this shit seriously I just interpretted it for what it was - two sides of the same girl.  Its just the way pulling goes down.  Once upon a time I took girls too much at face value because for me, when I say something I try to have integrity to that.  As a man, your word is supposed to be law and I sort of ascribed that to chicks when it is not at all the case.  

THe other part of this is that you LIE CONSTANTLY.  They're white lies, like "Yea I'm gonna leave in a minute" then you just stay there and keep bringing out the adventerous self.  Or, "Yea I'll just walk you outside" but then just keep walking to the cab or whatever.  Essentially this girl resisted every step of the way and I gave some bullshit lie to appease to her conservative self for why what we were doing was OK, then a minute later completely did the opposite.  What's nuts is they don't really call you out on this.  its literally like they forget, or maybe they just WANT me to pull them and know exactlly what's up but need to resist and enjoy pretending like they're being fooled.

Because come on, when I tell her, "just come into my appartment for a second, I want you to check out the interior decorating, you don't even have to come over the threshold" and its 4 AM she knows what the fuck is up, right?  But she needs to hear it.

Essentially, you are verbally appeasing the conservative side for the sole sake of extending the interaction (not giving her reason to bounce) to buy time to keep spiking the adventerous side and get her more and more in state.  you pull bit by bit using lots of BS G-rated excuses, then DO THE EXACT OPPOSITE as if you never said it.  "Lets just go a couple feet over here" then walk 3 blocks.  Its literally like a game within itself where you're balancing this shit while vibing and its really fuckin easy but takes some getting used to.

So ya I thought this was a pretty cool insight for me to see tyler break it down on video then end up in the exact situation an hour or two later.  DEFINITELY wouldn't have pulled this girl 24 hours ago because I would've peaced out instead of just STICKING IT OUT and trusting she's down.

And if she's a slut, disregard all of the above and say "Sko."
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markzor

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 haha, good story

have you realized that guys do the reverse sometimes?

where on the surface, the guy makes sexual comments and appears to want the girl...
... while at the same time, he is not escalating, does not go for the make out, has weak eye-contact.

basically, just as the girl, they guy is just "wishfull thinking".
the girls wants to stay nice... but feels attracted
the guy wants to have sex... but is too scared to act on it

sometimes guys are even overdoing the sexual comments to hide they are too scared to do anything.
at the same time, a girl might really really need to hear she is "nice", when she is really attracted

it's cool when you can pierce trough the surface appearance of things, and understand what actually is going on.
which can be summerized quite neatly:

"actions, not words" 

that is true for both guys and girls
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Thanks, bro!

Very well explained, and I'm sure I will be able to put your golden nuggets of wisdom to good use!
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