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To the fitness dudes: get rid of a belly
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#61
ambiguity

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Drama wrote:
You hit your core hard when you do squats, deadlift, overhead press, etc... I only do planks to work out my abs now
Good stuff man. That is awesome for your core. There are so many exercises and variety of things you can do for your abs and core. I heard it said, "abs are made in the kitchen not the gym." lol
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Kirra

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ambiguity wrote:

Kirra wrote:
ambiguity wrote:

I'm kinda tired so I'll just make a few quick points.

"Mixing things up" is not a good idea for a novice. The good old "confusing your body" shit is broscience at it's best and it's a nice way to never get anywhere with your training. Consistency is the key here.

I was actually just being curious about your squats. I've been training for less than a year so I doubt that I'm in a position to enter any real cock measuring contest.

An argument can be made that cardio is not needed. http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?p=551933333#post551933333

I already get a pretty good "core workout". Squats, deadlifts, overhead presses and power snatches all work your core. No need for bosu ball squats and all that other faggotry. Again, an argument can be made that spesific "core" training is useless for novices.  http://startingstrength.com/articles/abs_rippetoe.pdf
Bro, you know a lot of the bodybuilding articles can be good but, a referenced source is ideal. Anyone can post stuff and again, there is a differences in being healthy and fit. A lot of guys who are fit are not healthy. The whole thing about cycling shakes got you all bent and the same with balance/core exercises man. I am not sure why all that gets you so frustrated. The post pretty much went over your head man. Mixing it up is ideal vs. doing the samething for the whole year. I mean, this is just logical. I am still questioning the whole point of the squats question in general. It seemed you were more or less questioning whether I do them or not or so it seemed.

I got no haterade man so, I will leave it at, why not be open minded to stuff? I mean, if you by your own account haven't got abs or the shape you want, why not give something new a try or at least, agree to disagree with something? With consistency, you can grow a but, not as much once the body gets use to the workout which is again why I recommend switching it up. To each their own. As for references, there is so much contradicting info online which again is why reference sources are ideal. Tons of good stuff on naturalnew.ca, t-nation, and a variety of others.

Check them out if you really want the whole abs thing going for you man.

I got a month or two before Spring break. At 7% body fat. Just going hard and ripping it.

IMO, a VAST majority of the studies that are done on strength training are bullshit. I'd listen to an experienced coach over a scientist any day simply because the former has lots and lots of PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE and the latter is often lacking exactly that. To get the right answers you need to ask the right questions, so how do you do that without pactical experience?

The OP didn't ask "how to be healthy" he asked "how to get rid of my belly". Those are two different things. I'm willing to say that there is nothing "healthy" about sitting at 7% bodyfat. It has no real health benefit over being at say 12-15%.

God damn I love how you say "it's just logical" and then say something borderline retarded. Do you know what progressive overload is? Focusing on progression of your main lifts is WAY more important than confusing your muscles or whatever the fuck it is people do. Your body will not get used to your workouts if you are constantly adding weight to the bar. I asked you how much you squat to make sure that you weren't some myspace ripped faggot talking about how to get dem dere ripped abs. How long have you been training?
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ambiguity

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According to the majority of studies, 14-20% body fat is okay but, that is typically trying to make people feeling better when the majority of North America is full of fat ass slobs who stuff themselves full of crap. I have beeen training since I started high school throughout college and now. At most, I have never stopped training more then a week. As for 7% body fat, most people will look at me and think its a case of "good genetics" but, it takes hard work. I agree with you that there is a lot of contradicting info on science but, again, this is why I recommend referenced sources. As for health, if someone wants to look shredded and forget health, why not start injecting with roids? If you want to go to a lesser extent, why not take hot rocks or abs + or caffeine pills? Again, there are slobs who can lift fucking heavy but, they lack form, technqique, proper training. With my experience, my interest isn't so much on how much I lift which is a lot but, more about the health which again supports fitness level. There is a cause and effect but, thats okay. We differ here.

As for OP: he asked how to get rid of his belly which has to do with health. It has to do with what he is eating. I seen your original post when I first came on here wanting to drop weight. If you eat shit (not insinuating, talking hypothically) or party hard, it makes it practically impossible to get ripped. If you are at 10% body fat, your abs will show. If you drop down past 10%, you will have significant definition like I do. If you are 5% or lower, you will have insane vascularity, definition, and crack like veins running through your abs. Again, at a certain point, it becomes unhealthy. I cam maintain where I am at pretty simply but, again, being fucking huge isn't what I am after. Are you body building? Looking to compete? I practically never use bb.com for info especially the forums cause, 99% of the stuff on there that gets posted is trolling and idiots saying, "brah" every 2nd word. Kira, are you eating healthy? As of now, I am cutting carbs out and heading down south for Spring Break. I put on a bit of size over the winter during my bulk session but, again, guys eat fucking donuts and twinkies during their winter session and excuse it with "I am bulkking." No man, your a slob.
Kirra wrote:

ambiguity wrote:

Kirra wrote:
ambiguity wrote:

I'm kinda tired so I'll just make a few quick points.

"Mixing things up" is not a good idea for a novice. The good old "confusing your body" shit is broscience at it's best and it's a nice way to never get anywhere with your training. Consistency is the key here.

I was actually just being curious about your squats. I've been training for less than a year so I doubt that I'm in a position to enter any real cock measuring contest.

An argument can be made that cardio is not needed. http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?p=551933333#post551933333

I already get a pretty good "core workout". Squats, deadlifts, overhead presses and power snatches all work your core. No need for bosu ball squats and all that other faggotry. Again, an argument can be made that spesific "core" training is useless for novices.  http://startingstrength.com/articles/abs_rippetoe.pdf
Bro, you know a lot of the bodybuilding articles can be good but, a referenced source is ideal. Anyone can post stuff and again, there is a differences in being healthy and fit. A lot of guys who are fit are not healthy. The whole thing about cycling shakes got you all bent and the same with balance/core exercises man. I am not sure why all that gets you so frustrated. The post pretty much went over your head man. Mixing it up is ideal vs. doing the samething for the whole year. I mean, this is just logical. I am still questioning the whole point of the squats question in general. It seemed you were more or less questioning whether I do them or not or so it seemed.

I got no haterade man so, I will leave it at, why not be open minded to stuff? I mean, if you by your own account haven't got abs or the shape you want, why not give something new a try or at least, agree to disagree with something? With consistency, you can grow a but, not as much once the body gets use to the workout which is again why I recommend switching it up. To each their own. As for references, there is so much contradicting info online which again is why reference sources are ideal. Tons of good stuff on naturalnew.ca, t-nation, and a variety of others.

Check them out if you really want the whole abs thing going for you man.

I got a month or two before Spring break. At 7% body fat. Just going hard and ripping it.

IMO, a VAST majority of the studies that are done on strength training are bullshit. I'd listen to an experienced coach over a scientist any day simply because the former has lots and lots of PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE and the latter is often lacking exactly that. To get the right answers you need to ask the right questions, so how do you do that without pactical experience?

The OP didn't ask "how to be healthy" he asked "how to get rid of my belly". Those are two different things. I'm willing to say that there is nothing "healthy" about sitting at 7% bodyfat. It has no real health benefit over being at say 12-15%.

God damn I love how you say "it's just logical" and then say something borderline retarded. Do you know what progressive overload is? Focusing on progression of your main lifts is WAY more important than confusing your muscles or whatever the fuck it is people do. Your body will not get used to your workouts if you are constantly adding weight to the bar. I asked you how much you squat to make sure that you weren't some myspace ripped faggot talking about how to get dem dere ripped abs. How long have you been training?


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brad:This thread got Ambiguity banned, you can thank me later. Zack G: Ambiguity is becoming the Howard Roark of RSD!
Alex: "The famous ambiguity!" + "This is what happens when your naturally attractive; cheekyinnit#! Ambiguity: I don't chase, I replace.


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#64

elektrobank

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Join Date: 01/03/2010 | Posts: 225

 I did P90X a few years ago. It worked wonders, I got jacked in a very short amount of time and it was easier and more fun than what I've done in the past. But it was a lot of work, about 1-1.5 hours a day, 6 days a week. People were asking me all the time if I was on juice. Then I was getting too big and wanted to slim down so I tried south beach diet, which was insanely effective and easy. I lost 30lbs in a month! But I was looking kinda skinny and was missing my size. These days I don't have as much time for weights, so I do a slimmed down version of P90x, which allows me to maintain a decent build. I looked at the primal blueprint and it looks very similar to south beach diet, but seems to cut more junk out that SB allows.  So I just ordered the books and am going to give that a shot. SB literally melted the pounds away, so I'm sure this is going to be as effective if not more. This time I want to lose fat but still keep my muscles.
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#65
Kirra

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Drama wrote:
I'm going to write a massive fitness thread about everything I've learned through experience and my opinion on it (plus references). Then we can all debate and offer our own fitness advice based ON EXPERIENCE.
That would be pretty cool actually.
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Kirra

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ambiguity wrote:
According to the majority of studies, 14-20% body fat is okay but, that is typically trying to make people feeling better when the majority of North America is full of fat ass slobs who stuff themselves full of crap. I have beeen training since I started high school throughout college and now. At most, I have never stopped training more then a week. As for 7% body fat, most people will look at me and think its a case of "good genetics" but, it takes hard work. I agree with you that there is a lot of contradicting info on science but, again, this is why I recommend referenced sources. As for health, if someone wants to look shredded and forget health, why not start injecting with roids? If you want to go to a lesser extent, why not take hot rocks or abs + or caffeine pills? Again, there are slobs who can lift fucking heavy but, they lack form, technqique, proper training. With my experience, my interest isn't so much on how much I lift which is a lot but, more about the health which again supports fitness level. There is a cause and effect but, thats okay. We differ here.

As for OP: he asked how to get rid of his belly which has to do with health. It has to do with what he is eating. I seen your original post when I first came on here wanting to drop weight. If you eat shit (not insinuating, talking hypothically) or party hard, it makes it practically impossible to get ripped. If you are at 10% body fat, your abs will show. If you drop down past 10%, you will have significant definition like I do. If you are 5% or lower, you will have insane vascularity, definition, and crack like veins running through your abs. Again, at a certain point, it becomes unhealthy. I cam maintain where I am at pretty simply but, again, being fucking huge isn't what I am after. Are you body building? Looking to compete? I practically never use bb.com for info especially the forums cause, 99% of the stuff on there that gets posted is trolling and idiots saying, "brah" every 2nd word. Kira, are you eating healthy? As of now, I am cutting carbs out and heading down south for Spring Break. I put on a bit of size over the winter during my bulk session but, again, guys eat fucking donuts and twinkies during their winter session and excuse it with "I am bulkking." No man, your a slob.
Kirra wrote:

ambiguity wrote:

Kirra wrote:
ambiguity wrote:

I'm kinda tired so I'll just make a few quick points.

"Mixing things up" is not a good idea for a novice. The good old "confusing your body" shit is broscience at it's best and it's a nice way to never get anywhere with your training. Consistency is the key here.

I was actually just being curious about your squats. I've been training for less than a year so I doubt that I'm in a position to enter any real cock measuring contest.

An argument can be made that cardio is not needed. http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php?p=551933333#post551933333

I already get a pretty good "core workout". Squats, deadlifts, overhead presses and power snatches all work your core. No need for bosu ball squats and all that other faggotry. Again, an argument can be made that spesific "core" training is useless for novices.  http://startingstrength.com/articles/abs_rippetoe.pdf
Bro, you know a lot of the bodybuilding articles can be good but, a referenced source is ideal. Anyone can post stuff and again, there is a differences in being healthy and fit. A lot of guys who are fit are not healthy. The whole thing about cycling shakes got you all bent and the same with balance/core exercises man. I am not sure why all that gets you so frustrated. The post pretty much went over your head man. Mixing it up is ideal vs. doing the samething for the whole year. I mean, this is just logical. I am still questioning the whole point of the squats question in general. It seemed you were more or less questioning whether I do them or not or so it seemed.

I got no haterade man so, I will leave it at, why not be open minded to stuff? I mean, if you by your own account haven't got abs or the shape you want, why not give something new a try or at least, agree to disagree with something? With consistency, you can grow a but, not as much once the body gets use to the workout which is again why I recommend switching it up. To each their own. As for references, there is so much contradicting info online which again is why reference sources are ideal. Tons of good stuff on naturalnew.ca, t-nation, and a variety of others.

Check them out if you really want the whole abs thing going for you man.

I got a month or two before Spring break. At 7% body fat. Just going hard and ripping it.

IMO, a VAST majority of the studies that are done on strength training are bullshit. I'd listen to an experienced coach over a scientist any day simply because the former has lots and lots of PRACTICAL EXPERIENCE and the latter is often lacking exactly that. To get the right answers you need to ask the right questions, so how do you do that without pactical experience?

The OP didn't ask "how to be healthy" he asked "how to get rid of my belly". Those are two different things. I'm willing to say that there is nothing "healthy" about sitting at 7% bodyfat. It has no real health benefit over being at say 12-15%.

God damn I love how you say "it's just logical" and then say something borderline retarded. Do you know what progressive overload is? Focusing on progression of your main lifts is WAY more important than confusing your muscles or whatever the fuck it is people do. Your body will not get used to your workouts if you are constantly adding weight to the bar. I asked you how much you squat to make sure that you weren't some myspace ripped faggot talking about how to get dem dere ripped abs. How long have you been training?



I'm not particularly concerned with eating healthy right now, mostly because I'm a pretty broke student and cannot afford organic food and all that crap. I just eat meat, pasta, potatoes some veggies, fish and plenty of whole milk. So it is a relatively healthy diet.

In a week or so I'm planning on getting on a cyclical keto diet cos I'm planning on getting my abs to show before the summer.

Not that any of that matters when it comes to how low your bodyfat is. From what I've read from Alan Aragon it seems like what you eat doesn't really matter, it's the macros and total calorie count that makes the difference.
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#67
rottenflesh

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Im eating a chocolate chip muffin while reading this thread....FML
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#68
ambiguity

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Kirra wrote:
I'm not particularly concerned with eating healthy right now, mostly because I'm a pretty broke student and cannot afford organic food and all that crap. I just eat meat, pasta, potatoes some veggies, fish and plenty of whole milk. So it is a relatively healthy diet.

In a week or so I'm planning on getting on a cyclical keto diet cos I'm planning on getting my abs to show before the summer.

Not that any of that matters when it comes to how low your bodyfat is. From what I've read from Alan Aragon it seems like what you eat doesn't really matter, it's the macros and total calorie count that makes the difference.
Give the healthy eating a try man. Despite being a student, you can always do what you can, and avoid unnecessary carbs & calories. Bro macros & calorie count is what you eat which contradicts that statement but, any way, good luck with your workout.
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#69

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Im lazy and I enjoy good food. I just feel like its not worth it, cos looks dont matter anyways. 7% bodyfat dont matter... or does it?
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#70

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 body fat concentrates the most in the gut cuz its close to your liver which is what turns fat into energy when u need it.

your hormones affect your belly fat more than anything else..

cortisol and insulin make u store fat...

when you eat simple carbs your blood sugar peaks and vally's.. high blood sugar (after you eat sugar or starch) causes an insulin spike which is a hormone responsible for fat storage.. and when your blood sugar drops (an hour after eating sugar or starch) you get a cortisol spike.. which is another fat storage hormone..

complex carbs (veggies n wheat breads) are slow release so your blood sugar is more normalized when ur eating them vs simple carbs.. 

if u wanna loose your gut u gotta change you gotta cut the simple carbs and go hard with the complex ones.. + lots of protein.. 
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