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May 19th, 2013
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Matt281

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Cat wrote:
Thursday

Free tour, bootcamp.

Highlights:
-- open and get girl w/ boyfriends number in front of fatty cockblock --> tell her "hey turn towards me, okay cool now your friend wont get mad when I get your number". 
-- open stunner 10 (according to Owen) who is with a dude at the bar SOLO (aka owen is outside) --> Walk up and put out hand and say "will you dance with me" and pull her to the dancefloor.  shes on my face.  then owen comes in and tries to steal her.  he doesnt but i lose her, then he sends me in a 3 set to wing, grabs her, then i come back and kiss the stunner while own is holding her hands moving her, then he grabs her number and i open her friend who is imo hotter (personal opinion here, first girl could be model, second girl has the body I like).  Lose her to an incoming phone call.  Owen tells me later that he was sad she didnt stick because that would've been our best two set pull of the weekend.  I agree.  Sadface
-- open 9 who apparently knows me because i fucked her bestie (K) for two months.  immediately pull her around the corner, makeout, all over her ear and neck, shes moaning, finger her, pull her into the photobooth, shes all over my cock, makeout more, go for the condom to fuck her in the bar (my first bar fuck) but fail i dont have it, fuck my life, logistics are shit, number close, she tells me to call her "when can I see you, call me". 
-- open some girl on the street by eating her hotdog.  i get ketchup on my lips and the only sensible thing that comes to mind is that shes kissing it off of me.  makeout.  shes bad.  she asks if im gay.  makeout.  are you sure? makeout.  lose her to her 4 dude friends but its good, went for the pull HARD OVER AND OVER.  went back in 4 times after being blown out.  each time i went back in i was less and less reactive.  awesome strategy that i will use again and again.
-- 20+ sets

Will prob post up an audio FR + Lessons learned because I dont want to write it all out and already recorded that for my own notes.

Go to bed at 430am.
Nice man, didn't realize you had such a good night. Hopefully see you out tonight.
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Jimbiz wrote:
Yo Cat, you've been getting good results recently. Noticed tonight I hit state and the girls were all over me till I lost state and they lost interest. I know initially you are just an emotion to them. How do I balance this out to give them the full range of emotions and not just entertainer positive emotions?
Hey dude, I don't think you should be taking Julians advice here as literal.  He's using "you are just an emotion in the flow of emotions of the night to her" as a metaphor.

His point is that to be a REAL HUMAN BEING you need to demonstrate more than just 1 emotion.  You can't "just be really funny".  You can't "just be really real and serious" with her.

But even that being said, dude, its not ALWAYS TRUE.  You CAN just be funny and sincere and it can work.  

The point is that MOST OFTEN you need to be PERSONALLY GOING THROUGH A DYNAMIC RANGE OF EMOTIONS.  This makes you a REAL HUMAN BEING.  And by expressing those emotions freely and without restraint she can actually get a REAL FEELING OF WHO YOU ARE.  This creates real comfort because she literally KNOWS YOU.  And this is because EVERYONE you meet gets to know you faster than the normal chode.  

Because you are expressive.

You are willing to put your personality on the line every night.  You don't hold back.  

So if you are "just being entertaining" then you should go out and specifically "just be sincere and real" for two weeks.  FEEL HOW YOU COMMUNICATE DIFFERENTLY.  And then go out and "just be a huge douchebag asshole" for two weeks and feel the difference.

When you learn to stop hiding all your personality (whereas you are just showing the "cool funny guy" because you WANT something from her, you WANT her to LIKE YOU) and actually put yourself out there, two amazing things are going to happen for you:

1) You relax.  You are no longer hiding who you are around people and trying to "show one side of yourself" as a protection mechanicism because you are afraid that she might not like all sides of you.

2) You communicate authentically.  The people who meet you get a REAL TASTE of you who are.  This is awesome because it polarizes people quickly --> they like you or they dont.  

Stop trying to get everyone to like you by being the entertainer chode.  Instead just BE WHO YOU ARE by going out adn practicing opening up different aspects of your personality.  Once you let go of that fear of being the real you, you'll find out that you relax and that people really appreciate it.  

Hope this helps man.  
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Cat wrote:
Thursday

-- open some girl on the street by eating her hotdog.  i get ketchup on my lips and the only sensible thing that comes to mind is that shes kissing it off of me.  makeout.  shes bad.  she asks if im gay.  makeout.  are you sure? makeout.  lose her to her 4 dude friends but its good, went for the pull HARD OVER AND OVER.  went back in 4 times after being blown out.  each time i went back in i was less and less reactive.  awesome strategy that i will use again and again.

This is amazing to read. Blows my reality at the idea that you can sleep with a girls best friend after having already been intimate with the best friend. 
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muzzi17 wrote:

Cat wrote:
Thursday

-- open some girl on the street by eating her hotdog.  i get ketchup on my lips and the only sensible thing that comes to mind is that shes kissing it off of me.  makeout.  shes bad.  she asks if im gay.  makeout.  are you sure? makeout.  lose her to her 4 dude friends but its good, went for the pull HARD OVER AND OVER.  went back in 4 times after being blown out.  each time i went back in i was less and less reactive.  awesome strategy that i will use again and again.

This is amazing to read. Blows my reality at the idea that you can sleep with a girls best friend after having already been intimate with the best friend. 
I even mentioned it I was like "god I'm so bad for doing this, K would be so mad" and shes like "no she wouldnt dont worry about it" to mouthrape me.

I think I might've gotten "good reviews" when it comes to fucking as well, maybe not, I dunno.

One thing I've noticed is my ability to "be as sexual as I truly am" has become better and better.  It's easy to stiffle your own sexuality.  I don't do it as much.  

Like to the degree that my blondie girl told me that shes always felt more experienced than the guys shes been with.. except me and that it intimidates her.  

This whole game is about PEELING BACK RESISTANCE, TAPPING INTO YOUR AUTHENTIC / HONEST SELF, and simultaneously IMPROVING YOUR SELF.  

It's so cool.

And one last thing: these girls are very very hot and they understand that sex is just fun.  I think a 7 would not be comfortable with this sort of thing but with girls like this who have had a fair amount of really passionate sex, the point is the enjoyment.  These girls tend to "feed into the social matrix" a lot less than uglier girls, ime.

Love it
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I demand a detailed report of your bootcamp experience. 
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Jimbiz

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Cheers dude. Knew I'd get sound advice as always. I'll keep you guys posted on progress!
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And Then There Was Bootcamp

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Friday:

Highlights:
-- first set is two set, open well, its good, four dudes come in, i pull my girl away immediately and insult the dude immediately (WORKING ON BLOWING DUDES OUT) he insults me back, i insult him back, he pulls the girl who is his friend away saying boyfriend white knight shit, i tell them to make out, they DO, then he blows me the fuck out.

I AM A LIVING GOD FOR PUSHING THIS EDGE. Seriously “I am proud of myself” for this one.

-- jeff points out another one, run some gamey shit but cool it down because i can tell this girl is responding to real shit, i am super physical, loud and aggressive, then real with her. move her a few times, numbers, tell her i want to see her later, that i want to kiss her, she says she wont kiss here and to find other girls, i tell her i will but i still want to kiss her, i move her farther away, number close, logistics for later. i can tell this girl isnt down for same night but is a solid one. she implies she will kiss me at the dance spot later in the night, cool.

i hit up chicks in front of her after on jeffs request → she tells me “go make out with her”. i ask owen about this during hot seat, they both say the same thing :

ITS YOUR MOVIE, YOU MAKE THE RULES, META FRAME, YOU ARE ABOVE THIS SOCIAL CONDITIONING BULLSHIT, IF ANYTHING IT SHOWS YOU ARE HOT

i go up after and “apologize for being such a huge dick”. she texts me the name of the dance spot later in the night.  proof that i make the fucking rules and these girls love me for it

-- jeff throws me in a “tough one” as he calls it, a seated 7 set, mostly chicks and some dudes. i walk up, grab the empty chair and sit down, eye contact, normal real shit, smile, girl is giving me those big eyes on the open, huge smile, tell the whole group “yeah i’m blatantly hitting on your friend, i’m going to steal her now” and pull her out of the chair around the corner (all of this in 30 seconds).

game game game its good we have some shit in common, shes 20, cute, whatever. numbers.

// note: i need to follow up with all these numbers, i really only follow up with super high quality chicks these days but fuck it, reference experience is reference experience

-- open a two set and pull the friend away fast, very physical, she lets me arm-rape her even though she has a boyfriend (i see photo of them on her phone), whatever. chat chat. bring her back, look at the other girl who i had opened and jeffy is occupying. jeff turns his back to grab a beer, i stare into this girls eyes, know its fucking on, instant makeout. the kind where you stare at her, begin to lean in, she begins to lean in, and you mouth fuck each other.

pull this girl 20 minutes later. pull excuse was “lets go”. cab it. tell the cabbie mine and then shes like lets go to mine its closer. cool

fingering her in her room and then she gets a text from her friends “WE ARE HERE!!!” FUCKKKKKKK

fuuuuuuuucukkkkk

no dice, ruined a very easy one for me

// obvious lesson: always cab to my house

// will not lose this one next time, and the girl will probably be hotter (by virtue of my progression in this shit)

hang with them for an hour and get a free meal. make plans to meetup another time but i have yet to call back (wtf am i thinking this girl is hot -- seriously so many girls and numbers to follow up with shit just gets lost).

cab it home at 4am

// feels like a more normal night for me, didnt do the hit hit hit hit as much because my momentum is high as fuck from … however many days in a row of major social contact. did a few sets, 3 numbers, pulled. solid

jeff’s advice for me was to CHILL OUT. thats why i got that pull so easily. i didnt pull so hard and didnt push hard either (didnt need to). the other thing he said is to tone down my physical game a bit and maybe use a smoother escalation stack (like they mention on BC), will play with this. part of my style is that cuddly grabby dude (dont ask for permission, apologize afterwards) but its good to switch shit up and become more dynamic

one point owen made on hot seat day2 was that YOU SEE/ADMIRE WHAT YOU NEED TO IMPROVE UPON.

one student saw how expressive owen was in set late night on saturday. i saw how chill he was. need to let these girls game me way more. very good feedback, and a strange way to get it.

best parts of my night were pushing on my edge to blow that chode out, calming down. hooked everything except that first one, almost fucked, so results were pretty damn good.

biggest thing i’m changing because of bootcamp is my effort.

i am at A-game effort.

I want this shit fucking bad. BAD.

Man of action +1

inspired
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Yeah that was really interesting what tyler said. When I've seen tyler get blown out and then he LAUGHS about it I'm like holy shit, how did he just laugh after that. Really interesting way to learn more about yourself. 
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one point owen made on hot seat day2 was that YOU SEE/ADMIRE WHAT YOU NEED TO IMPROVE UPON.

one student saw how expressive owen was in set late night on saturday. i saw how chill he was. need to let these girls game me way more. very good feedback, and a strange way to get it.


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Saturday

Highlights

hahah edit: forgot about our hot seat break beast session: 
-- street approach that doesnt stick, some dude who is with us decides to chase this girl across the street.  bad idea buddy, that was just sorta lacking social calibration, but whatever, you learn that by doing it i guess
-- 3 set while ordering food, run after them, my girl is lisa, suddenly a barrage of 5 dudes behind me swarm these three girls like flies hahahahah.  they go to a piano bar and invite us but yeah, cant
-- girls in a line to the club at 10.  open it up, big test but only one test, pass, then its fucking onnnn.  im hugging her in line, get inside, kiss, pull her to a different part of the club after she loudly introduces me to 6 of her friends, makeout with her, numbers, pull her to a booth, makeout, see her panties, comment, this was a fuck-me set but yeah .. it was before we did the second part of hot seat.  fun though, 45 minutes for food, manage to get into a club, makeout and number close 

out at bars later:
-- hit on bar girl accidentally solid
-- two set, nice to meet you-ed --> i reapproach 3x.  the last time i approach (on the street) i "give up" internally and am just normal and cool.  COMPLETELY FLIPS AROUND.  crazy.  girl "had a boyfriend" before.  yeah.  
-- two set, get immediately cockblocked by fatty.  immediately calibrate and own it completely.  ask permission to get number (calibrated this are "good girls" aka they dont go out a lot).  super solid, dont follow up, getting loose
-- open two black girls, pull dave in.  eventually realize my girl is a fucking hooker after numbe close.  the other girl steals dave7's cash later in the evening.  #onlyhappensinfield
-- peruvian girl, open, chase down, she loves me.  pull her out of the bar in five minutes.  makeout.  walking around the block.  she doesnt have purse.  fuck.  seed food, shes down.  bring her back, get masssssssively cockblocked by guy.  i am polite to guy, ask name etc, tell the group i will call her tomorrow, he is like "it doesnt matter".  i try to look him in the eyes to communicate how much of a fucking chode piece of shit he is but he is simply too much of a pussy to look at me.  fuck you bitch.  i tell my girl "your friend was sorta rude to me..." and fucking destroy him.  she apologizes for him.  i'm like "yeah i just want to grab a bite and keep talking, you're fun".  she agrees and tries to pull us both again, and again she gets cockblocked.  i have the numbe from way before so im like okay, lets hang another time.  she texts me at the end of the night to meetup and i tell her where but its too far i guess, fuck.  this was the fuck me set.  sadly the bootcamp also leaves the area about five minutes after i pull so i lose them for the rest of the night :/
-- street sets, pushing hard, so hard that.. a dude pulls a knife on me.  #destroyingMyEdge
-- head to debrief spot thinking ill meetup w/ the BC.  nope.  instead i beast a three set outside, wait with them, numbers.  laugh at how fucking crazy this shit can get when you put in 100% effort
-- run to the afterhours club.  not much sticks but i burn the whole venue down.  bullshit with jeffy, listen in a bit on owen throwing mad sexual verbal game at this ho.  asked about it later, doesnt happen often, good to know.  
-- afterhours debrief with jeffy.  bunch of shit about game, day2s etc.  have learned that jeffy and owen think SNLs are gimmicky but they were down to help me out.  cant say i got very specific advice on how to improve that besides just be fucking persistent at the end of the night, that's what i saw owen do successfully.  lot of it is luck.  
-- as we leave the afterhours spot at 5:15am theres a two set.  i mean i have to.  they are from out of town and fucking into it.  their place to stay isnt picking up the phone.  i calmly offer my couch.. not in a creepy way at all, even though its hard to imagine anything otherwise.  swap numbers... and damn.  crazy

while beasting do not get to thank jeff which i regret.  was great to work with him and learn from him.  i'll have to blast down to SF to chill with those guys and enjoy that city.  

solid night.  didnt get to spend time with the instructors for basically any of it except afterhours and debrief.  think im gonna see if stewart can hook me up with a free pass to denver hot seat because i kinda missed my last day of bootcamp (through no fault of anyones, i just pulled too fast and communication was bad).  

overeall was a hellavua weekend.

i walk home at 6am with the birds chirping and the sun waking up the sky.  i think to myself...

Damn.  This is what I've become.

Cheers
-Cat
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