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May 24th, 2017
Girls aren't meant to be yours.
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#21

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Awesome post!

My fav parts:

"Memories are clutter and garbage"

&

"I'm dead to peoples opinions of me as a person"

Good stuff.

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#22
crusher~

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Ummm, interesting discussion. Like U5 said, I think that a lot of what the OP wrote is open to interpretation.

To crunch it all down, what I hear the OP saying is "This is who I am, take it or leave it." and I don't find that particularly different from "You are enough." or being polarizing ala jlaix. He's just making a stronger, live your own life statement that usual.

Well, at least that's what I got out of it.

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#23

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I am reading Atlas Shrugged actually. You guys come off to me as a bunch of immature little kids. "Fuck what anyone else thinks, I'm going to have it my way every time," is not the mark of a leader or an attractive person.

I didn't say to compromise your own values and beliefs, or to go around supplicating to everyone. I said that it's unreasonable for you to expect the girl to do everything for you, and for you not to do anything for her. By that I mean, if she makes an honest effort to be her best self for you, why should you send her packing because she did something you don't like, or you two disagree over something?

Further, Oasis, I've heard it said many times before on these forums, what you're saying. "Fuck compassion and empathy???!" Are you serious? Ok then. Have fun. If you can't learn to consider OTHER PEOPLES emotions, views, wants/dislikes, needs, etc. then you are bound to step on everyone's toes needlessly and repeatedly. Now, I am not here to tell you that you can't do that. It isn't a crime to offend someone, nor is it a crime to not give a damn what other people think. However, don't expect others to treat you like a king, or for girls to be attracted to you, if your unwilling to care about THEM. You become just some random, obnoxious douche bag.

And again, make the distinction here between social calibration-knowing what other people want and giving it to them in order to get WHAT YOU WANT-and compromising yourself. If you honest to god don't like something, you have the right to say so. You have the right to speak your truths, to hold your opinions, to do what YOU WANT in life regardless of what other people think about that. And people will respect you if you do so. The key, however, is in how you do it. If you don't like something, it would be assertive of you to speak your mind without attacking the other person's beliefs, identity, etc. It would be aggressive for you to speak your mind while attempting to control another person and take possession of them and their beliefs (you tell them their comment sucks and belittle them, vs stating that you don't appreciate that) and it would be passive for you not to speak your mind at all and go along with what the other person is doing because you value their opinion more than your own.


Basically, my point here is that you guys don't come across as assertive. You come across as angry, as if you don't care about anyone, and as if you don't want to understand others. If you want to get along with other people, one of the most fundamental steps is to understand them and where they are coming from. Simple as that.

And as far as society: You can say whatever you want about society and your philosophies on the individual. That doesn't change the REALITY that you LIVE IN CIVILIZATION! Every day you go to bed in a soft bed manufactured by OTHERS, get up and brush your teeth, clean yourself, shower, eat food-all manufactured by OTHERS-go to work/school/etc. and must deal with OTHER PEOPLE. There are almost 7 billion people on this planet. Like it or not, if you live in society, you will invariably have to deal with them. And it happens often that just because you want something you will not get it.  Sometimes in life you will find yourself at the mercy of another. You must abide by the laws set forth by MEN or MEN WITH GUNS will drag you away and lock you up. That is the REALITY of our society. You can speak your mind freely and state that you have a right to do so....and then get fired from your job as a consequence. This is a lesson my parents have taught me. As long as you live in Society, learn to play by Societies rules. Learn to navigate them. Social calibration IS all about knowing how to assert yourself and get what you want within the context of whatever situation you are in. Yes, you can say whatever the hell you want and tell your boss to hit the high way, but then you get fired. Unless that is what you want, you know to keep your mouth shut. Delayed gratification. You know the consequences of your actions and can foresee what will happen because you understand others and where they are coming from. It is of course something that comes with time and experience. An instinct that you develop. You learn when to do what to get what you want and assert yourself without pissing everyone off.

Now, why is this important? Because there are consequences to everything you do. You can choose to blindly proceed forward like a steam roller and not give a damn, but the consequences of your actions WILL catch up to you. And whether or not you want to deal with them is entirely in your hands, because you CHOOSE what to do in life. If you don't want to get fired (and consequently, lose your source of income, end up out on the street, etc.) then you play by the rules at work. You don't get to set those rules, but you can choose whether or not you want to submit yourself to them in order to get payed.

Same goes for relationships. You can CHOOSE to steamroll over the other person and tell them to hit the highway if they don't act as your personal slave and do everything YOUR WAY. But then you will alienate people. Now, I'm sure there are some people out there in the world willing to be your slave, but good luck finding them.

As a final thought on society, you always have the ultimate choice. You can always choose to LEAVE SOCIETY. You can always choose to go live as a hermit, or find yourself a piece of land unclaimed by others and create your own kingdom where you get to set the rules. But as long as you're here, you're still bound by the laws of physics. You're still bound by the laws of more powerful Men. And you're still bound by your own limitations. You can overcome all of these things to achieve what you want if you know how to navigate them. Thus the saying: "Be like water." It doesn't matter what obstacle you put in front of it, water always manages to seep through the cracks and get to it's destination. Put a wall in front of it, it bends around the side and keeps going; leaving the wall in it's wake.

That's an empowering thought, isn't it? To know that you can achieve whatever the hell you want in life despite other people trying to stop you or bring you down. That you don't HAVE to compromise your values. That you CAN assert yourself and your viewpoints and expect others to respect them. Even though there are laws, there are more powerful Men with guns, you can get around them. You can befriend them, get them on your side, make allies.

Oh and I do appreciate your comment about me being a drone. I am unafraid to state my truths, but because they don't line up with your view of reality, I am now a drone. Because any individual, given the same resources as you, will ALWAYS come to the same conclusions, right?


-oasis- wrote:
Good post OP
"I'm the one with the dick."   hahahah that says so many things.
PillowFire wrote:
So you are advocating a lack of compassion and empathy.
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No one likes a person who is unwilling to meet them half way.
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Those girls have their needs and wants just as you have yours.
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Actually, here is a brilliant idea. If you want to get everything YOUR WAY then why not GTFO of society and go live on your own.
Fuck compassion and empathy, that's what their girlfriends are for.. at least in the sense that you're reffering to.
That shit is to be earned, no one is entitled to it
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If you've hung out with a girl or two in the past, you would know that meeting them half-way is shooting yourself in the foot. Girls are extremely undecisive and don't know what they want. That's where you come in.
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Men and women have polar opsite needs. As much as a girl may like to think otherwise, what every single girl really wants is to be bent over and fucked sideways.. in more than one sense.
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"GTFO of society" haha its not some sort exclusive clique... there's no need for this negativity. Society is nothing without the individual. OP is an individual, you are a drone.

I highly recommend you check out the fountainhead and/or atlas shrugged

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#24
ComeAgain

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It's funny how some people will read one thing and get something out of it, while others will just get mad and flame away lol. Maybe they already know
everything? Hahaha.

Lol @ Pillowfire. You just wrote all that and it was all from misunderstanding. The anger in the post is from seeing guys suffer needlessly when they can just have it
how they want it. 

Slothfulpizza is another one. He's funny because of many reasons. One of them being that he has no clue who this is. lol. Another one is that he misinterprets what
I write in the most creative way I've seen yet. Any talk of death disturbs him, and he assumes that I don't know what I'm talking about. Shame on him.

As for keeping a girl...this is the problem right here. You people think you OWN or keep something. You don't own shit. It can all be taken away or go away at any time. Shut
the fuck up, enjoy what you have and when it goes away then let it go and get something else. You're not keeping shit for real, it's an illusion.
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ComeAgain wrote:
It's funny how some people will read one thing and get something out of it, while others will just get mad and flame away lol. Maybe they already know
everything? Hahaha.

Lol @ Pillowfire. You just wrote all that and it was all from misunderstanding. The anger in the post is from seeing guys suffer needlessly when they can just have it
how they want it. 

Slothfulpizza is another one. He's funny because of many reasons. One of them being that he has no clue who this is. lol. Another one is that he misinterprets what
I write in the most creative way I've seen yet. Any talk of death disturbs him, and he assumes that I don't know what I'm talking about. Shame on him.

As for keeping a girl...this is the problem right here. You people think you OWN or keep something. You don't own shit. It can all be taken away or go away at any time. Shut
the fuck up, enjoy what you have and when it goes away then let it go and get something else. You're not keeping shit for real, it's an illusion.

lollolol.

do you think i give a fuck who you are? ohhhhhhhhhh the mysterious natureeeeeeeeeee of thisssssssssss dudeeeeeeeeee. you must be a real pimp!

i take strong offence from anyone who generalizes women as being some sort of public property. poor poor choice of words. have some respect. you came out of one.

Ive been in the game because i truly and genuinely enjoy women and their femininity. i play the game with grace and elegance and treat women as well or as badly as they deserve. i don't like judging them and putting ALL of them under the same umbrella.

i play so i can experience all aspects of the game. one night stands, fuck buddies, relationships and everything else including long term relationships. i play with no boundaries.

you need to open your mind and realize that there are keepers out there and women who deserve respect. which means you have to learn how to keep her. even if you want a FB you've got to know how to keep her around. i don't really care what you think about the rest of what you wrote, i understand fully not always will two people share the same views, but the the way you degrade women from your post is something that i will just not accept.


just as much as you don't like seeing other guys suffer, i wouldn't like to see them suffer because of a belief they got from a post written down in a fit of anger. your post could have been written when you calmed down and understood the entirety of your emotions.

you're giving advice here, be a little responsible.
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ComeAgain

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slothfulpizza wrote:

ComeAgain wrote:
It's funny how some people will read one thing and get something out of it, while others will just get mad and flame away lol. Maybe they already know
everything? Hahaha.

Lol @ Pillowfire. You just wrote all that and it was all from misunderstanding. The anger in the post is from seeing guys suffer needlessly when they can just have it
how they want it. 

Slothfulpizza is another one. He's funny because of many reasons. One of them being that he has no clue who this is. lol. Another one is that he misinterprets what
I write in the most creative way I've seen yet. Any talk of death disturbs him, and he assumes that I don't know what I'm talking about. Shame on him.

As for keeping a girl...this is the problem right here. You people think you OWN or keep something. You don't own shit. It can all be taken away or go away at any time. Shut
the fuck up, enjoy what you have and when it goes away then let it go and get something else. You're not keeping shit for real, it's an illusion.

lollolol.

do you think i give a fuck who you are? ohhhhhhhhhh the mysterious natureeeeeeeeeee of thisssssssssss dudeeeeeeeeee. you must be a real pimp!

i take strong offence from anyone who generalizes women as being some sort of public property. poor poor choice of words. have some respect. you came out of one.

Ive been in the game because i truly and genuinely enjoy women and their femininity. i play the game with grace and elegance and treat women as well or as badly as they deserve. i don't like judging them and putting ALL of them under the same umbrella.

i play so i can experience all aspects of the game. one night stands, fuck buddies, relationships and everything else including long term relationships. i play with no boundaries.

you need to open your mind and realize that there are keepers out there and women who deserve respect. which means you have to learn how to keep her. even if you want a FB you've got to know how to keep her around. i don't really care what you think about the rest of what you wrote, i understand fully not always will two people share the same views, but the the way you degrade women from your post is something that i will just not accept.


just as much as you don't like seeing other guys suffer, i wouldn't like to see them suffer because of a belief they got from a post written down in a fit of anger. your post could have been written when you calmed down and understood the entirety of your emotions.

you're giving advice here, be a little responsible.






You make 1,000 assumptions but you're a chode. That's the long and the short of it. You misinterpret what I write to be a recommendation
of being a miscalibrated asshole, when all  I'm saying is focus on what you want and only care about what you think.

The public property analogy is great, because it's amazing. You see it as disrespectful or degrading. I don't and it isn't. I'm saying that women are
public property because I don't see women as anything to own or posses or try to keep in any fashion. If she wants to stay, she'll stay, the question is if I
still want her there or not. Can you take a park bench home and paint it a different color and put it in your backyard? No. Why? Because it's public property.
Everyone should get to sit on it and take it for what it is...a bench!  You can visit the bench though and sit on it anytime if it's a nice day. If someone is
sitting on it already you can share the bench or you can find another bench and go back to that bench, or maybe you can go to another park altogether!

A woman is not a bench obviously, but she's a human being and she doesn't belong to you. She has full rights to flutter off to whereever she wants. She's not
yours and will never be completely yours, and I happen to believe thats a good thing! I don't want her forever. It works out perfectly for me!
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I like disilusionally believe that I own my girl. Its a bullshit, I'm aware of the fact that we actualy own nothing, but I like rolling like that.

Anyways I see lots of good in this post. The death is there to make you realize you only have one chance at life and people's opinions dnt mean shit, because you will die anyway.

Sloth ffs how old are you? Name calling? Writing in caps? Stretching your words out like a todler? Throwing hissy fits and such. For someone with 10 years experience, your acting very immature. Theres lots of value to be found here, and I don't see this man as negative or degrading women at all. He's actualy respecting them as people, and himself. Just my 2 cents. You fellas have fun.

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ComeAgain wrote:
You make 1,000 assumptions but you're a chode. That's the long and the short of it. You misinterpret what I write to be a recommendation
of being a miscalibrated asshole, when all  I'm saying is focus on what you want and only care about what you think.

The public property analogy is great, because it's amazing. You see it as disrespectful or degrading. I don't and it isn't. I'm saying that women are
public property because I don't see women as anything to own or posses or try to keep in any fashion. If she wants to stay, she'll stay, the question is if I
still want her there or not. Can you take a park bench home and paint it a different color and put it in your backyard? No. Why? Because it's public property.
Everyone should get to sit on it and take it for what it is...a bench!  You can visit the bench though and sit on it anytime if it's a nice day. If someone is
sitting on it already you can share the bench or you can find another bench and go back to that bench, or maybe you can go to another park altogether!

A woman is not a bench obviously, but she's a human being and she doesn't belong to you. She has full rights to flutter off to whereever she wants. She's not
yours and will never be completely yours, and I happen to believe thats a good thing! I don't want her forever. It works out perfectly for me!




there,you see. how difficult was that? elaborate on your points or youre going to be highly misunderstood. but ill still disagree that a woman cant be yours forever. i know loads of people whove been married for years, or are in long term relationships for 8+ years where even though the women could cheat she hasnt. i learnt first hand from these guys how to keep your woman.relationships might not be of importance for you but it is for many, and i think it should largely be covered here rather than brushing it off saying OH WHATS THE POINT WOMEN ARE GOING TO LEAVE YOU ANYWAY. i tend to see it as relationship maintainance rather than possesion or owning someone.

my whole beef is with people objectifying women. anyways you have clarified. thats all i wanted. and am not so butt hurt anymore.
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slothfulpizza wrote:

ComeAgain wrote:
You make 1,000 assumptions but you're a chode. That's the long and the short of it. You misinterpret what I write to be a recommendation
of being a miscalibrated asshole, when all  I'm saying is focus on what you want and only care about what you think.

The public property analogy is great, because it's amazing. You see it as disrespectful or degrading. I don't and it isn't. I'm saying that women are
public property because I don't see women as anything to own or posses or try to keep in any fashion. If she wants to stay, she'll stay, the question is if I
still want her there or not. Can you take a park bench home and paint it a different color and put it in your backyard? No. Why? Because it's public property.
Everyone should get to sit on it and take it for what it is...a bench!  You can visit the bench though and sit on it anytime if it's a nice day. If someone is
sitting on it already you can share the bench or you can find another bench and go back to that bench, or maybe you can go to another park altogether!

A woman is not a bench obviously, but she's a human being and she doesn't belong to you. She has full rights to flutter off to whereever she wants. She's not
yours and will never be completely yours, and I happen to believe thats a good thing! I don't want her forever. It works out perfectly for me!




there,you see. how difficult was that? elaborate on your points or youre going to be highly misunderstood. but ill still disagree that a woman cant be yours forever. i know loads of people whove been married for years, or are in long term relationships for 8+ years where even though the women could cheat she hasnt. i learnt first hand from these guys how to keep your woman.relationships might not be of importance for you but it is for many, and i think it should largely be covered here rather than brushing it off saying OH WHATS THE POINT WOMEN ARE GOING TO LEAVE YOU ANYWAY. i tend to see it as relationship maintainance rather than possesion or owning someone.

my whole beef is with people objectifying women. anyways you have clarified. thats all i wanted. and am not so butt hurt anymore.


Oh alright, I can get how that idea could make a man angry. He's messing with your reality, your beliefs. I also believe you can be with a woman forever, but you cant own her, or control her. If she is with you forever, its out of free choice. Women can vote now yo

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