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May 24th, 2017
Vipassana Meditation and pickup
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babylonAD

babylonAD

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Join Date: 04/10/2012 | Posts: 486

 Hey guys

I tried meditation for the first time yesterday and it was great while I was meditating, I totally felt present and all that stuff. However after that I felt more in my head then I had before meditating, I started thinking about all the problems I was effected with in my life and just started feeling more paranoid. Is it always like this when you start meditating, any theories?
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blobbie

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Join Date: 01/20/2012 | Posts: 2

I did my vipassana retreat some weeks ago. enough time has passed to give a review with some emotional distance.
First of all: Don't expect wonders! It's not realistic to assume you'll be the uber-seducer after spending 10 days in a meditation hall. You'll learn no social skills. It can change your state of mind, but don't get excited. I read a lot of reviews before my retreat and also had high expectations. In retrospect it wasn't like that. I have two reasons for such enthusiastic review.
1) people writing reviews shortly after the retreat are still of positive energy and enthusiasm. This will go away after a few weeks. This energy is not from the meditation but from the good feeling to have done it, succeeded. It's still a retreat. If you'll go on a retreat without meditation, you'll still get some energy from it. That was not the kind of effect I was looking for.
2) for some people such a retreat may cause a big shift of their perspective on themselves and life in general. That wasn't the case for me. Self improvement, meditation, psychology and Buddhist philosophy are my 'hobbies'. So the retreat was no eye opener for me.
You can read all over the internet what happens at the retreat so I'll focus on the effects on me.
The retreat causes a light sensory deprivation. This can be irritating at first when you come back to a hectic and loud environment (city). Since it lasted only one day it wasn't a problem. Still the deprivation had some nice effects: you're more aware. sounds seem to be louder, colors brighter. I noticed things I did not see before although I was passing them daily. It's like a very soft LSD-trip. This effect lasted one week.
The effects on my mind were more important to me. I felt more calm. It was/is a distinct effect. I walk more slowly outside, noticing people and the environment. I am more present in the here and now.
In the retreat you learn to observe your body sensations. And you learn not to react or to judge these sensations. This is the most useful effect of the retreat regarding pickup and approach anxiety. For me it's now much easier to stop negative thinking and go for the approach. feel the fear and do it anyway. If you see a beautiful girl on the street you notice your heart starts to beat stronger, you may feel heat and restlessness/stress. You learn to acknowledge these feelings, to stay present and to do what you aim for. approach. It's rarely easy but easier than before the retreat.
Anyway, the retreat is hard work and to go on with mediation as required is much harder. The retreat has no everlasting effect.
It's very easy to get soaked into your daily grind. that's why you should meditate one hour in the morning and one hour in the evening, each day! I don't have that much time, but I try it whenever possible. And doing the daily meditation for several days in a row is very beneficial for me. You can't meditate too much.
To sum it up, the retreat was a very special experience and I gained some insights and benefits. But it is only a motivator and a kick off for a serious meditation practice. A continuous mediation routine will improve life in the long run.
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bigdan

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Join Date: 09/20/2006 | Posts: 57

i also went on the 4th. was yours also near barrie, ontario? if so, who are you! we might know each other!

or you can PM me if you prefer :)

btw i also didnt get much awesomeness out of it. im glad its over with, i was really counting down the days. in your case you seem to have still gotten some out of it, i didnt notice those things like noise and colors and all that, but maybe that's because my house is very quiet and im not working these days so dont go out all that much.


blobbie wrote:
I did my vipassana retreat some weeks ago. enough time has passed to give a review with some emotional distance.
First of all: Don't expect wonders! It's not realistic to assume you'll be the uber-seducer after spending 10 days in a meditation hall. You'll learn no social skills. It can change your state of mind, but don't get excited. I read a lot of reviews before my retreat and also had high expectations. In retrospect it wasn't like that. I have two reasons for such enthusiastic review.
1) people writing reviews shortly after the retreat are still of positive energy and enthusiasm. This will go away after a few weeks. This energy is not from the meditation but from the good feeling to have done it, succeeded. It's still a retreat. If you'll go on a retreat without meditation, you'll still get some energy from it. That was not the kind of effect I was looking for.
2) for some people such a retreat may cause a big shift of their perspective on themselves and life in general. That wasn't the case for me. Self improvement, meditation, psychology and Buddhist philosophy are my 'hobbies'. So the retreat was no eye opener for me.
You can read all over the internet what happens at the retreat so I'll focus on the effects on me.
The retreat causes a light sensory deprivation. This can be irritating at first when you come back to a hectic and loud environment (city). Since it lasted only one day it wasn't a problem. Still the deprivation had some nice effects: you're more aware. sounds seem to be louder, colors brighter. I noticed things I did not see before although I was passing them daily. It's like a very soft LSD-trip. This effect lasted one week.
The effects on my mind were more important to me. I felt more calm. It was/is a distinct effect. I walk more slowly outside, noticing people and the environment. I am more present in the here and now.
In the retreat you learn to observe your body sensations. And you learn not to react or to judge these sensations. This is the most useful effect of the retreat regarding pickup and approach anxiety. For me it's now much easier to stop negative thinking and go for the approach. feel the fear and do it anyway. If you see a beautiful girl on the street you notice your heart starts to beat stronger, you may feel heat and restlessness/stress. You learn to acknowledge these feelings, to stay present and to do what you aim for. approach. It's rarely easy but easier than before the retreat.
Anyway, the retreat is hard work and to go on with mediation as required is much harder. The retreat has no everlasting effect.
It's very easy to get soaked into your daily grind. that's why you should meditate one hour in the morning and one hour in the evening, each day! I don't have that much time, but I try it whenever possible. And doing the daily meditation for several days in a row is very beneficial for me. You can't meditate too much.
To sum it up, the retreat was a very special experience and I gained some insights and benefits. But it is only a motivator and a kick off for a serious meditation practice. A continuous mediation routine will improve life in the long run.
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AlexV

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 so, working out for y'all?
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locust12

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What i didnt mention were the bad parts of Vipassana meditation..

It makes you way too sensitive to tension and awkwardness in your body. Making it hard to look people in the eye, and ultimately making you a less social and relaxed person.
You get bad hangovers from it the next day unless you keep it up.
It is NOT good for your game. My game went from good to 0 after meditation.

If i still had access to that account I'd rewrite this thread. Its very biased
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ygbuhn

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Join Date: 10/28/2012 | Posts: 368

Was pretty stoked about it, but it got less when I read the last few pages. For those who have done it, please report back.
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SkinnyLover

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Going to this retreat in the 17th of this Month. I am excited and will report back with what I have learn after the 10 days and then a follow up after a month or so.
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 wow. Soo maybe 20min a day iss goodd and more are counter productive, huh?
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How are you now though, seriously?
I'm open to go to a retreat just as an experience of a lifetime and expansion of my horizons. At the same time I think, after reading your follow-up I think it might be bad to get sucked into meditation AS A DRUG, eg. more than 30min a day or so.

So... how are you now? In another thread I read that you now try only to meditate 10min or so twice a week, otherwise it makes you too self-conscious. Let's just call it as it is: You were addicted to meditation.

The question is, did the vipassana retreat make you addicted or did it spiral out of control afterwards? How did you recover? Essentially, I mean, did vipassana leave any scars on you or would you still recommend it? 
locust12 wrote:
What i didnt mention were the bad parts of Vipassana meditation..

It makes you way too sensitive to tension and awkwardness in your body. Making it hard to look people in the eye, and ultimately making you a less social and relaxed person.
You get bad hangovers from it the next day unless you keep it up.
It is NOT good for your game. My game went from good to 0 after meditation.

If i still had access to that account I'd rewrite this thread. Its very biased
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