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This is random but maybe instead of talking about "it hooking" you'd be better framing it in terms of "I was fucking OWNING" and like, redirecting that 'resposibility of awesomeness' back to yourself.
Also why no fucky fuck w/ her in ze bed?
Also why no fucky fuck w/ her in ze bed?
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This is random but maybe instead of talking about "it hooking" you'd be better framing it in terms of "I was fucking OWNING" and like, redirecting that 'resposibility of awesomeness' back to yourself.
Also why no fucky fuck w/ her in ze bed?
Also why no fucky fuck w/ her in ze bed?
good reframe man. love it.
and ya no fucking was kinda lame. shall be fuel for my fire meow.
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Day 4
Didn't feel like going out, but did it anyway. Me and my dog at copper. He can come into the bar. There's a lot that can be learned from this dog- bigass doberman. He's a true fuckin player. His style is basically- be chillled as fuck, approach set with gangster swagger, cut the space, get physical right away, eye contact, full assumption he's gonna get petted, persistence to get petted, chill there and get loved on until he gets bored and moves to the next one.
There was a handful of girls out last night, which was a pleasant surprise for a monday night in the miniature town.
I talked to all of them, and had a few long interactions. Really just chilled back and hung out. Noticed I have some issues getting physical at this particular place because its so low key, small, and local. Everyone basically knows everyone, so it's like working social circle when you're barely in it. I only know these people from the bar. They work together and come out together.
Last one, I'm talking to this sexy little girl who came here with about ten guys. It's getting late and I'm tired. So i close out and tell her I'm going home. she seems dissapointed.
Lesson: I should have led, isolated, and then escalated.
Goal for tonight: Use this structure- open, hook, lead, isolate, escalate, pull or # close
Didn't feel like going out, but did it anyway. Me and my dog at copper. He can come into the bar. There's a lot that can be learned from this dog- bigass doberman. He's a true fuckin player. His style is basically- be chillled as fuck, approach set with gangster swagger, cut the space, get physical right away, eye contact, full assumption he's gonna get petted, persistence to get petted, chill there and get loved on until he gets bored and moves to the next one.
There was a handful of girls out last night, which was a pleasant surprise for a monday night in the miniature town.
I talked to all of them, and had a few long interactions. Really just chilled back and hung out. Noticed I have some issues getting physical at this particular place because its so low key, small, and local. Everyone basically knows everyone, so it's like working social circle when you're barely in it. I only know these people from the bar. They work together and come out together.
Last one, I'm talking to this sexy little girl who came here with about ten guys. It's getting late and I'm tired. So i close out and tell her I'm going home. she seems dissapointed.
Lesson: I should have led, isolated, and then escalated.
Goal for tonight: Use this structure- open, hook, lead, isolate, escalate, pull or # close
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Day 5
Something of a strange night out. There's a snowboard comp here in town. I figured the competitors would be out getting wild.
I get to the club, and it's weird. The competitor's aren't out, but their parents are. And they are fucked up!
There's these three old ladies GETTNG DOWN on the dance floor. I don't say cougars cause a woman of age must be pretty to be a cougar. These are straight up old mothers who have let themselves go. As they girate on the floor, their rolls and front butts bounce wildly. For some reason this does not turn me on.
Where's all the hotties?? I see one! Approach. Open. Cut the space. Pull her in. The interaction lasts maybe two minutes before she runs away.
I scan the room. All I see is fucked up old people going crazy!
I talk to this one guy who is obviously wasted. His 12 year old daughter is competing. He offers me $100 for a bump.
This whole vibe is too much for me. I fall into spectator mode as I take in this strange strange scene unfolding in front of me.
A young guy is dancing with one of the flabby old ladies. The other two are grinding him from both directions.
An old man is doing the worm on the floor.
An old lady and her husband are screaming at each other in the corner.
It's like some kind of weird nightmare. Club Hell.
I go home.
Something of a strange night out. There's a snowboard comp here in town. I figured the competitors would be out getting wild.
I get to the club, and it's weird. The competitor's aren't out, but their parents are. And they are fucked up!
There's these three old ladies GETTNG DOWN on the dance floor. I don't say cougars cause a woman of age must be pretty to be a cougar. These are straight up old mothers who have let themselves go. As they girate on the floor, their rolls and front butts bounce wildly. For some reason this does not turn me on.
Where's all the hotties?? I see one! Approach. Open. Cut the space. Pull her in. The interaction lasts maybe two minutes before she runs away.
I scan the room. All I see is fucked up old people going crazy!
I talk to this one guy who is obviously wasted. His 12 year old daughter is competing. He offers me $100 for a bump.
This whole vibe is too much for me. I fall into spectator mode as I take in this strange strange scene unfolding in front of me.
A young guy is dancing with one of the flabby old ladies. The other two are grinding him from both directions.
An old man is doing the worm on the floor.
An old lady and her husband are screaming at each other in the corner.
It's like some kind of weird nightmare. Club Hell.
I go home.
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Day 6
Crazy shit happened just getting to the club! I'm picking a couple friends up. They're hammered. I'm on the phone with them, and they're trying to describe to me where they live while I drive. I pull into an apartment complex, but it's the wrong one. I begin to back out. BUMP. oh shit! I look back and theres a headlight shining right at me. I just tapped someones car. I pull back in. Wait for them to come out and say something. Seems like minutes go by. They don't come up. I put it in reverse to signal I'm backing out again. The car pulls around. It's a fucking cop!! I'm thinking oh no! I'm about to get Rodney Kinged. He pulls right past and drives away.
Finally make it to the club. White Trash Wednesday at sandbar in vail.
My club game is in need of some fine tuning. I pretty much have the same experience over and over every time I'm in a loud club where you can't really talk much.
It's something like this:
-On the dance floor.
-Approach. Cut in close. "Dance". Try to say a couple things. She runs off.
or
-Off the dance floor
-Open set. Bring to dance floor. "Dance". She runs off
I never seem to be able to connect with girls in dance clubs.
Here's a few example sets from last night to illustrate:
Spot cutie dancing. Get close. Eye contact. ("dancing"). Pull her in by her waist. Speak into her ear, What's your name?. Spin her. She runs off.
Spot cutie sitting on the edge of the stage. She has like 4 drinks. I tease her about it. She says she's guarding them. I try to pull her up to dance. Nope. Vibe. I manage to pull her up, and sit in her spot. I try to get her to either dance for me or sit on my lap. She stays off to the side. Meet and vibe with her friends a bit. They approve. She's not into it. I realize this set isn't going anywhere. I command her to kiss me. She says she doesn't do that unless she knows a guy better. I leave.
The first example best illustrates my dance club game. I do this to every girl in the club, and at the end of the night, I don't have anything to show for it. No real connections. No girl to take home.
Anybody have any advice?
I remember reading a boot camp post where one of the instructors tells his student "There can be no game at this place, it's just clamp on to the like an alligator at the end of the night, and go home with the girl".
How?
Kinda lost as far as my club game goes. I've been doing this same shit for months.
It's only a stupid man who does the same thing over and over expecting different results. What do I change? What can I do differently?
Crazy shit happened just getting to the club! I'm picking a couple friends up. They're hammered. I'm on the phone with them, and they're trying to describe to me where they live while I drive. I pull into an apartment complex, but it's the wrong one. I begin to back out. BUMP. oh shit! I look back and theres a headlight shining right at me. I just tapped someones car. I pull back in. Wait for them to come out and say something. Seems like minutes go by. They don't come up. I put it in reverse to signal I'm backing out again. The car pulls around. It's a fucking cop!! I'm thinking oh no! I'm about to get Rodney Kinged. He pulls right past and drives away.
Finally make it to the club. White Trash Wednesday at sandbar in vail.
My club game is in need of some fine tuning. I pretty much have the same experience over and over every time I'm in a loud club where you can't really talk much.
It's something like this:
-On the dance floor.
-Approach. Cut in close. "Dance". Try to say a couple things. She runs off.
or
-Off the dance floor
-Open set. Bring to dance floor. "Dance". She runs off
I never seem to be able to connect with girls in dance clubs.
Here's a few example sets from last night to illustrate:
Spot cutie dancing. Get close. Eye contact. ("dancing"). Pull her in by her waist. Speak into her ear, What's your name?. Spin her. She runs off.
Spot cutie sitting on the edge of the stage. She has like 4 drinks. I tease her about it. She says she's guarding them. I try to pull her up to dance. Nope. Vibe. I manage to pull her up, and sit in her spot. I try to get her to either dance for me or sit on my lap. She stays off to the side. Meet and vibe with her friends a bit. They approve. She's not into it. I realize this set isn't going anywhere. I command her to kiss me. She says she doesn't do that unless she knows a guy better. I leave.
The first example best illustrates my dance club game. I do this to every girl in the club, and at the end of the night, I don't have anything to show for it. No real connections. No girl to take home.
Anybody have any advice?
I remember reading a boot camp post where one of the instructors tells his student "There can be no game at this place, it's just clamp on to the like an alligator at the end of the night, and go home with the girl".
How?
Kinda lost as far as my club game goes. I've been doing this same shit for months.
It's only a stupid man who does the same thing over and over expecting different results. What do I change? What can I do differently?
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Day 7
Night time rolls around and I'm stoked to go out. I realize every night, I have an awesome adventure.
Get to a venue, and the first set blows open. It's two hotties from NYC. Both are originally from South America. I'll call them HBA and HBE. There's a live band playing Sweet Home Alabama. We're just vibing. Searing hot ember game ftw. They are 'gaming' me as much as im 'gaming' them, maybe more. We stay at this venue for about 30 minutes. I'm in close and have physical contact, but I'm not pushing any sort of hardcore escalation stack or anything. I venue change them to a dance club.
At the club, there's not too many people. A bunch of chodes lining the walls, and a group of 3 girls dancing.
Anyway, here, I up the physicality and go 100% dominant. I grind both of them. Make them grind me how I want. Make them grind each other. Get in the middle and they both grind me. All eyes on me. I feel like a fucking pimp.
They say they're tired and going home. I say cool, I'll go too.
HBE asks me, who's bed are you going to sleep in? I reply, we can all share, it'll be an adventure. They both laugh.
Get on the bus back to their hotel. Some guy sits a few seats down from HBA and starts talking to her. I don't give a fuck, she's going home with me. HBE goes cold on me. She says she has a boyfriend and they're in love. We talk about this for awhile, and I believe she is not bullshitting me. She says, it's ok, HBA is single.
We're walking around the village and they can't remember where their hotel is. The tension is sooo high, I just stay cool. HBA is eye coding HBE a lot.
Finally get back to their hotel room. It's a double. Two beds right next to each other in a tiny little room. They are trying to get me to go home. HBE goes to the bathroom. I take this as my opportunity to escalate with HBA.
I walk up to her, and we start making out. I pick her up honeymoon style and carry her over to the bed. Lay her down and climb on top of her. Hardcore makeout and dry humping ensues. She's loving it, but she's like you have to go home. I tell her we can be quiet. She really doesn't want to fuck in front of her friend.
HBE comes out of the bathroom. Make out session stops. They are telling me to go home and they'll call me tomorrow.
HBA starts to walk me out, and I push her into the bathroom. She grabs on to the doorway to prevent this. Hardcore make out in the bathroom doorway, I rub her through her pants, feel up her tits. She has AMAZING tits.
In the hallway, we make out for about 5 more minutes and I try to get her to come home with me. She doesn't want to leave her friend because they're waking up early and skiing. I # close lol.
If they had multiple rooms, I would have fucked HBA with no resistance. They're in town for a few more days, so it could still go down. Awesome adventure.
Night time rolls around and I'm stoked to go out. I realize every night, I have an awesome adventure.
Get to a venue, and the first set blows open. It's two hotties from NYC. Both are originally from South America. I'll call them HBA and HBE. There's a live band playing Sweet Home Alabama. We're just vibing. Searing hot ember game ftw. They are 'gaming' me as much as im 'gaming' them, maybe more. We stay at this venue for about 30 minutes. I'm in close and have physical contact, but I'm not pushing any sort of hardcore escalation stack or anything. I venue change them to a dance club.
At the club, there's not too many people. A bunch of chodes lining the walls, and a group of 3 girls dancing.
Anyway, here, I up the physicality and go 100% dominant. I grind both of them. Make them grind me how I want. Make them grind each other. Get in the middle and they both grind me. All eyes on me. I feel like a fucking pimp.
They say they're tired and going home. I say cool, I'll go too.
HBE asks me, who's bed are you going to sleep in? I reply, we can all share, it'll be an adventure. They both laugh.
Get on the bus back to their hotel. Some guy sits a few seats down from HBA and starts talking to her. I don't give a fuck, she's going home with me. HBE goes cold on me. She says she has a boyfriend and they're in love. We talk about this for awhile, and I believe she is not bullshitting me. She says, it's ok, HBA is single.
We're walking around the village and they can't remember where their hotel is. The tension is sooo high, I just stay cool. HBA is eye coding HBE a lot.
Finally get back to their hotel room. It's a double. Two beds right next to each other in a tiny little room. They are trying to get me to go home. HBE goes to the bathroom. I take this as my opportunity to escalate with HBA.
I walk up to her, and we start making out. I pick her up honeymoon style and carry her over to the bed. Lay her down and climb on top of her. Hardcore makeout and dry humping ensues. She's loving it, but she's like you have to go home. I tell her we can be quiet. She really doesn't want to fuck in front of her friend.
HBE comes out of the bathroom. Make out session stops. They are telling me to go home and they'll call me tomorrow.
HBA starts to walk me out, and I push her into the bathroom. She grabs on to the doorway to prevent this. Hardcore make out in the bathroom doorway, I rub her through her pants, feel up her tits. She has AMAZING tits.
In the hallway, we make out for about 5 more minutes and I try to get her to come home with me. She doesn't want to leave her friend because they're waking up early and skiing. I # close lol.
If they had multiple rooms, I would have fucked HBA with no resistance. They're in town for a few more days, so it could still go down. Awesome adventure.
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Day 6
Anybody have any advice?
I have absolutely no clue how to help you with club game since I never do it. Therefore my advice is to try easier venues like bars, cafes, and daygame in general. I find this to be more efficient in terms of my goals: fucking a chick at least 3 times.Anybody have any advice?
At least in a loud bar or music venue you can get momentum, say 3 minutes of bullshit and get a number. If you are solid off the number you're golden, ground yourself as a normal fun dude blah blah etc, I know you're there in that regard.
I think club game is "cool" and "flashy" (for the same night pull) but in terms of consistency, in my reality (which is very narrow) bars + DG > clubs by virtue of being able to hear.
Clubs make people fucking WEIRD. Me included. I front and do weird inauthentic shit at clubs unconsciously. Maybe if you can cut through that bullshit for yourself and the girl you can make something more solid happen. I really dont know, just throwing out ideas.
It kinda seems to me like club game = same night pull, bars = same night pull or phone #s and then day2, and daygame = phone # and day2.
Do you want to be the guy who does the same night pull? If so, keep working on nightgame, and since bootcamps are all about clubs and bars, then maybe hit one of them if you can get the money. If your goals are different, quality girls, multiple relationships, whatever, maybe bars + dg are best.
I'd say just optimize your hunt for your goals, lols.
Whichever way you go, you're fuckign dope man, you sound like a really cool dude. I think that will carry through a lot and get this shit handled for you.
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That really got me thinking. What are my goals for this? Generically, I want to get really good at it. I want to be able to do anything anytime. Like, pull girls from the club or see a hottie during the day and make it happen, and be able to do it all with style. I want choice and abundance. I want to have adventure.
This game is so much fun. I love it.
I would love to take a bootcamp. Someday I probably will.
As far as club game, it is really challenging. I like that about it.
My best times in the club are when I cheat and bring girls from a bar to a club, like last night. While the club probably can be a great place to pick up girls. I KNOW I can use it as a tool to get physical with girls I already know. I think girls see it as more socially acceptable to get physical in a club, so they're more open to it.
On the other hand, at the club, they get grinded on by TONS of weird creepy guys, so their shields are on high to protect themselves.
I like talking about this shit so much, that's why RSD is so cool. If you have conversations like this with 'civilians' they don't get it. It's just too far outside their reality.
At least in a loud bar or music venue you can get momentum, say 3 minutes of bullshit and get a number. If you are solid off the number you're golden, ground yourself as a normal fun dude blah blah etc, I know you're there in that regard.
I think club game is "cool" and "flashy" (for the same night pull) but in terms of consistency, in my reality (which is very narrow) bars + DG > clubs by virtue of being able to hear.
Clubs make people fucking WEIRD. Me included. I front and do weird inauthentic shit at clubs unconsciously. Maybe if you can cut through that bullshit for yourself and the girl you can make something more solid happen. I really dont know, just throwing out ideas.
It kinda seems to me like club game = same night pull, bars = same night pull or phone #s and then day2, and daygame = phone # and day2.
Do you want to be the guy who does the same night pull? If so, keep working on nightgame, and since bootcamps are all about clubs and bars, then maybe hit one of them if you can get the money. If your goals are different, quality girls, multiple relationships, whatever, maybe bars + dg are best.
I'd say just optimize your hunt for your goals, lols.
Whichever way you go, you're fuckign dope man, you sound like a really cool dude. I think that will carry through a lot and get this shit handled for you.
This game is so much fun. I love it.
I would love to take a bootcamp. Someday I probably will.
As far as club game, it is really challenging. I like that about it.
My best times in the club are when I cheat and bring girls from a bar to a club, like last night. While the club probably can be a great place to pick up girls. I KNOW I can use it as a tool to get physical with girls I already know. I think girls see it as more socially acceptable to get physical in a club, so they're more open to it.
On the other hand, at the club, they get grinded on by TONS of weird creepy guys, so their shields are on high to protect themselves.
I like talking about this shit so much, that's why RSD is so cool. If you have conversations like this with 'civilians' they don't get it. It's just too far outside their reality.
Day 6
Anybody have any advice?
I have absolutely no clue how to help you with club game since I never do it. Therefore my advice is to try easier venues like bars, cafes, and daygame in general. I find this to be more efficient in terms of my goals: fucking a chick at least 3 times.Anybody have any advice?
At least in a loud bar or music venue you can get momentum, say 3 minutes of bullshit and get a number. If you are solid off the number you're golden, ground yourself as a normal fun dude blah blah etc, I know you're there in that regard.
I think club game is "cool" and "flashy" (for the same night pull) but in terms of consistency, in my reality (which is very narrow) bars + DG > clubs by virtue of being able to hear.
Clubs make people fucking WEIRD. Me included. I front and do weird inauthentic shit at clubs unconsciously. Maybe if you can cut through that bullshit for yourself and the girl you can make something more solid happen. I really dont know, just throwing out ideas.
It kinda seems to me like club game = same night pull, bars = same night pull or phone #s and then day2, and daygame = phone # and day2.
Do you want to be the guy who does the same night pull? If so, keep working on nightgame, and since bootcamps are all about clubs and bars, then maybe hit one of them if you can get the money. If your goals are different, quality girls, multiple relationships, whatever, maybe bars + dg are best.
I'd say just optimize your hunt for your goals, lols.
Whichever way you go, you're fuckign dope man, you sound like a really cool dude. I think that will carry through a lot and get this shit handled for you.
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Day 8
LR
Have HBA meet me at the bar. Stay for 30 minutes. Pull to my place. Glory times.
LR
Have HBA meet me at the bar. Stay for 30 minutes. Pull to my place. Glory times.
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Get a call from my friend HBfriend. She and her boyfriend are going out, and she's bringin one of her cute friends, HB8. Hell ya, of course I'm down.
Meet up with them at this swanky littly bar with overpriced drinks. HB8, says 'I know you! you were at copper last night weren't you!' yup. im trying to remember her but i can't quite place her. she talks some more and then it clicks. at some point during the night of day2, i was hoolahooping on the dance floor, and since i sucked at it, i used my ingenuity (college degree yo) to catch 2 girls with the hoola hoop. one of them was HB8 and the other was HBparishilton. she must be mad that i didn't pay enough attention to her cause her vibe towards me drops. oh well.
lead the group to venue 2. here, i open a birhtday girl set, a girl guy 2 set, and a single hottie. the first two hooked, but i didn't really take them anywhere, and the last one was immediate blowout. also at this venue, there is an empty dance floor. I pull HBfriend out to it, and since she's kinda tipsy (drunk), she starts getting super physical and sexy with me. I say, ok your boyfriend (who is a friend of mine) is probably jealous by now. she says, no he's fine! dip me again! lol funny girl.
we all get back to hbfriends house, and Hb8 has lost her phone. She drives back to the venue. I steal the only extra bed in the house and pass out. i wake up to HB8 saying something. i yell at her to shut up. she gets in bed with me. i pass back out. wake up in the morning to hbfriend waking the house up, see hot body next to me, spoon with it. awwwwwww
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