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December 8th, 2016
LR: Real Social Dynamics with a Psycho
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This is definitely the hardest lay I've ever gotten. Shit tests from out this world that I thought I'd never have to deal with, a girl crying for an hour and telling me she doesn't want to have sex because she doesn't want me to turn out like all the other guys. FUCKING INSANE. If it were months ago theres no chance in hell I would have pulled this one off. This lay didn't really teach me anything but it was reassuring and a huge experience. All of the beliefs and mindsets that RSD teaches prevailed and were the sole reason I'm now posting this lay report. So lets begin...

Like many of my recent lays, the interaction started online. My initial message was my default "you're totally cute. we should flee to paris, fall in love, and buy a puppy! :D" She responded saying I was cute too and so I asked for her facebook only to find out she doesn't use facebook and end up with her number instead.

The texting was honestly rather boring. I continued with initial message, talking about us falling in love and parading through the streets of Paris hand in hand. etc. She never really gave into the roleplay fully but she chimed in here and there. She suggested we talk on the phone as opposed to texting but I told her I had to be up early and that we'll talk the next night. --If this had been before, I would have jumped on that opportunity because I'm really solid on the phone, irregardless of having to be up early...but now I'm less outcome dependent, I trust the process, and have more of an abundance mentality soooooo she can wait.-- The next night we speak on the phone, I was rather dissapointed with the conversation. She was watching some show as we talked and clearly not giving the conversation much effort. I could have stepped up here and told her something but I didn't, I began talking about setting up a D2 instead (or a D1 really? who knows). We didn't really have many options due to several factors.

1. Her car is fucked so she can't drive it.
2. I don't have a valid liscense so I don't drive either.
3. We live moderately far apart (only 30mins by driving but on a bus that can take forever).
4. She isn't 21 so no bars and she doesn't really drink anyway.
5. I don't even have a cell phone to call her from in case I get there and can't find her place or something else happens.


Bad logistics eh? I've dealt with worse before :p But, TRUTH BE TOLD, these logistics turned out in my favor later on. Keep reading...

The only option was for me to meet up with her at her place. I generally aim to meet girls from online in a public place so they will feel safe about meeting up but there was no other resonable options here. Nonetheless, she attested saying my idea of watching a movie and making some drinks sounded boring. (I probably should have hyped it up a bit more and actually sounded excited) I told her that its not so much about what you do, but rather the company you're with. She then dropped the bomb "so are you just trying to get laid?" and I told her straight up "listen, if you're going to be weird about all of this then maybe we shouldn't meet up." --Freedom from outcome-- She responded saying she was just kidding (And they say shit tests don't exist. pfft) We got off the phone shortly after. I texted her some more afterwards. She continued on with her bullshit..."we don't have anything in common"..."there's nothing to do at her place anyway"..."its just complicated". Yada yada, whatever. I barge through all that shit. The entire text message log is attached so you can see exactly what went down. She finally starts giving into the idea of watching a movie. I tell her that I tend to cause trouble when I'm watching a movie.

"Trouble?"
"its hard for me to keep my hands to myself when im watching a movie with a girl. im always kissing, caressing"
" Lol. Well its not like i wouldn't wanna make out with u....as long as u actually are hott. :)"

Its apparent I'm dealing with an 18 year old. The texting flips around after that and we end the night on a good note.

The very next day she texts me saying that shes bored and that I should come over. I had some stuff to do the next morning and I was sort of tired but I've always been the spontaneous type. The idea of a possible adventure excites me....so I told her sure. This is all going on over text and shes responding rather slow. I'm trying to make sure shes not going to stand me up at the last minute when I'm already on the bus headed there. I'm also trying to get her address and figure out a time frame. The time is approaching for me to go out to the bus stop and I'm still trying to work out some of the kinks but as I said, she's responding slow. I finally get all the details and run out to the bus stop to see the bus already passing. Oh well...I had stuff to do in the morning anyway. I go home and heres the text messages that follow:

Me: ya...its uhhh not happening tonight. missed that bus =( 9:45 PM
Me: we'll try this again another night 10:13 PM
Janaya POF: No. We won't. I gave u ur chance tonight and u decided not to take it 10:23 PM
Me: okay. i tried. but if you want to be a about it im sure i can find another girl thats interested 10:25 PM
Janaya POF: U didn't try. U missed the bus for wat reason? 10:26 PM
Me: i did miss the buss. i actually went out there and it was passing just as i was coming up the street. 10:27 PM
Me: i wouldnt have missed it if you wouldnt have taken 15mins to respond to my texts when i was figuring out how i was gonna get there 10:28 PM
Janaya POF: yea. Well i thought it would be a good idea to take a shower and look good if i had a hott guy coming over to my place. But fuck it 10:29 PM
Me: it would have....but you would have had like a solid hour and a half to do all that from the time i left 10:32 PM
Janaya POF: Yea. Well u didn't. See ya 10:33 PM
Me: lets just plan this shit out a little better next time or if you really think we shouldnt bother then its whatever 10:33 PM
Janaya POF: No. Don't bother 10:34 PM
Me: kk 10:34 PM
Me: good luck trying to find a guy that you can be a to for no reaoson and he will still chase you, it sure as hell won't be me 10:37 PM
Janaya POF: Um i don't want u to chase me. Thanks 10:38 PM
Me: how's this for not chasing 10:40 PM
Janaya POF: Wtf. Whatever. I don't want u to. I invited u over and u flaked. After that shit happens i just don't care anymore. 10:41 PM
Me: listen, im the same way. i dont tolerate flaking at all, it shows a total lack for respect. but i didnt fucking flake. it was a genuine mistake but if youre not going to be understanding and be a total about it when it was partially YOUR FAULT then just stop texting me 10:51 PM
Janaya POF: ok. Fine then 10:51 PM
Janaya POF: I understand. But i can't stand when shit like that happens 11:26 PM
Janaya POF: Like u said yourself. You can't stand it either right? 11:37 PM
Janaya POF: Sorry for being mean. 11:42 PM

As you can see, she tried to be a and dismiss me because I missed the bus. I remained unapologetic and didn't put up with it. End result= her apologizing and trying to get me to sympathize. lol. --Honestly, in that past I wouldnt have handled this situation like a total chode. I would have been over reactive and apologetic and ultimately I probably wouldn't have ended up ever seeing her.-- I want to mention here though that at one point I felt like I shouldn't put up with this shit at all (hence the 'hows this for not chasing' to which i intended to not even reply to her again) but then I gave it some thought and a bunch of my natural friends have been telling me that sometimes you have to give in a little bit and so I decided that I would text her again and give her a chance to apologize. It worked out perfectly. !!!Very interested in seeing some input on this from you guys.

After thinking about it some that conversation was huge. It changed the entire dynamic of our relationship. She was now more invested than I was, she was now chasing me. A few days later I texted her and told her we should meet up that night. She was more receptive to my plans and ideas now that I'm the prize. She did question my intentions though...once again with the "so you're just trying to get laid?" thing.

Janaya POF: Lol. Why do u wanna hang out with me 5:33 PM
Me: the same reason you want to hang out with me :p you're cute 5:34 PM
Janaya POF: Just tryin to get laid 5:34 PM
Me: i dont have any expectations, what happens happens. 5:34 PM
Me: what about you, what are you intentions with me? 5:36 PM
Janaya POF: Ok....cuz i was lookin at ur head line. And u seem outta my league. So its kinda confusing 5:36 PM
*my headline on plentyoffish reads: 'I put out on the first date :p' oh and did i mention i'm the prize?
Janaya POF: My intentions? To get to know u 5:37 PM
Me: my headline is sort of true. i do love sex, but like i said, i dont have any expectations. and ultimately im looking for more than sex but i take things one step at a time 5:37 PM
Janaya POF: Wat are u ultimatly looking for? So...u dont have any stds right? 5:39 PM
*in sales we call that a 'buying question' lol
Me: what? is that a serious question? no i dont have stds. ultimately id much rather have a girlfriend then a girl i just hook up with 5:42 PM
Janaya POF: Lol. Ha ha. Ok 5:42 PM
Me: do you have stds? 5:43 PM
Janaya POF: fuck no. 5:44 PM
Me: do you have any ice cream? lol 5:46 PM

8:30 PM rolls around and I'm finally there at her house. Here we are, in flesh. The interwebz just became real. I chill out on the couch, she finnishes getting ready then comes and sits down.....on the other couch. I start off being playful, saying ridiculous shit, move over and sit by her on the other couch. Shes being really giggly but also shes disagreeing with a lot of stuff, sort of like shit tests but I later found out it was actually a game for her. She was being kind of standoffish too, and I needed to change that. I tell her we're doing shots of tequilla, she says no, I physically pick her up and bring her to the kitchen so she can grab shot glasses. We take a shot, chat some, take another, shes finally actually beginning to exhibit the ability to hold a conversation. I get the makeout, actually some pretty serious makeouts. Then she asks when I'm planning on going home. "Tommorrow morning." "What!?!" "Ya...the busses stop running at 9 silly, I can't go home till tomorrow." Its on.

We decide that we'll watch a movie. She says the TVs in her room and that she'll bring it out here, I tell her we're going to watch it in her room, she says but that means we'll have to watch it in her bed, and I say mhmmm. She tells me we're not watching it in her room, I pick her up and carry her to her room and tell her thats where we're watching it. Hop in bed, turn the movie on, flick off the lights, make out some more, I let her get on top of me and try to turn me on, alot of kissing, alot of biting. I was cool with the tension, I maintained my self. I became the guy who could chill and watch the movie for a little bit and not be trying to get in her pants the entire time, this turned her on even more.

The movie ended. I figured it was go time. I started amping it up. Buttttt I noticed she was becoming unreceptive. I was kissing her but she wasn't kissing back, she wasn't into it. And then it happened..... No, not sex. She broke down. She told me that if I wanted sex that shes not the girl, that all the guys try to do this. She told me sex doesn't lead anywhere and that nothing will come from it. She told me that she didn't want me to be like all the other guys. I remained rather cool about this, but I had no good things to say. She finally said "WHATEVER! JUST DO WHATEVER YOU WANT TO ME. YOU WANT TO FUCK ME SO JUST FUCK ME, I'LL JUST LIE HERE." lollllllllllllllllllllllllllllll. There was no way I was going to fuck her under those terms. I told her I only have sex with girls if they want to have sex with me. She walked out of the room and I could hear her crying in the living room. I was thinking to myself "haha what a psycho, omg this is awesome." It now became a challenge.

I went in to the living room, tried to get her to calm down, that wasn't really working. Then it hit me like POW! 'change her mood not her mind' so I slapped that into a role with "You know what!?!? I'm on to you! You love challenging me, you love trying to make everything difficult for me and disagreeing with everything I say and do. This is a game to you, I know it is" AND IT WORKED. She fell into the role and everything that previously happened became a game. Her mood swinged dramatically. Once again, we went back to being playful and making out. I brought her back into the bedroom.

Something inside me told me I should do some comfort building. She was receptive to my escalation but I feel like If I would have pushed it further she would have flipped out again. So instead, I laid there on the bed with her and just started telling her stories. I told her about how I used to be this needy guy, how I was a virgin until I was 19, how I have all these ambitions. I tried to keep my stories sexual yet personal at the same time. I asked her how old she was when she lost her virginity, she told me she was 13 (wouldn't be suprised if she was raped...shes a psycho). I got her telling me a few stories, we chatted for like a solid hour. The conversation was actually really good. I think this is when I became a fuckworthy guy. I showed her how dynamic I am. I can be the playful high energy guy, I can be the intentful guy, and now I can be the chill-vibing guy.

Needless to say...not too long after the conversation we fucked. She gave really good head (which I expect from a psycho). I made sure to wrap up and fucked her for a whole 2 minutes! LOL. All that foreplay and teasing really got to me. I couldn't hold back. (but its not really about the destination its about the journey, right? RIGHT!?!?) I was going to chill out for a second, get hard again, and then really turn her out properly but I was very hungry. I Went to the kitchen, made some Ramen noodles, threw some grilled chicken breast in it that she had in the fridge, snagged some mountain dew and returned to the room only to find her fast asleep.

I couldn't sleep, the night was so crazy for me. So many realizations. It doesn't help that I have insomnia. I finally drifted off to sleep around 5AM. We woke up and fooled around some more at like 9. Always on the morning after I'm ridiculous as fuck. I think I still get like a state rush or something from getting the lay (lol I totally sound like a fucking noob for saying that). But ya, I start saying off the wall bat shit crazy stuff. Shes amused. We finally go our seperate ways around 1030.

I thought about all the shit I battled through on my way home. Although I don't really care to see her again...for various reasons...I decided I would go ahead and text her something nice so she doesn't hate herself for sleeping with me. Here's the final texts:

Me: hey missy, i dont want you to feel regretful about last night in any way. (other than the fact that the sex wasnt that great lol) but ill make up for it eventually. we're going to see each other again and i think you're a cool ass chick. have a great day :p 1:25 PM
Janaya POF: Lol. That was nice. U just get home? 1:27 PM
Me: ya like 30mins ago 1:30 PM
Janaya POF: Idk if we are eventually gonna see each other again 1:33 PM
Me: for why? 1:33 PM
Janaya POF: Wat? For why? 1:34 PM
Me: why do you say that? 1:34 PM
Janaya POF: Cuz. Idk. 1:35 PM
Me: be upfront with me. 1:35 PM
Janaya POF: Idk wat to say 4:00 PM

Lol. I just left it at that. I'm not too thrilled to see her again and if the feelings mutual then thats even better. I just felt like being nice....but I guess it was unnecessary. Who knows what thats all about...maybe another one of her games. ;)

Wow, what an experience. Once again, its not about the destination, it's about the journey.

Toodles.

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Bobby K

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She walked out of the room and I could hear her crying in the living room. I was thinking to myself "haha what a psycho, omg this is awesome." It now became a challenge.

Are you the Man? :)

Great report.
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Halffull

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Good shit man.  Does that combatative text stuff work for you a lot? I think maybe I'm being too "ignore the bullshit" instead of fight back.
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 Flawless text game man. Good shit
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Colours

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 I like how you navigated through this one. Good stuff.
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Halffull wrote:
Good shit man.  Does that combatative text stuff work for you a lot? I think maybe I'm being too "ignore the bullshit" instead of fight back.
Thats a good question. When I read through the text messages I think that I invested too much but it just felt right at the time. With everything, its semi-situational and requires a degree of calibration. Ultimately, I feel that when you text the way I was OR when you ignore it delivers the same message: I'm not putting up with your bullshit. Buttttttttttttt combative texting allows her the opportunity to invest more and apologize, like she did in this LR.

Edit:

I want to add that a while ago this used to fuck me. I'd try to argue with the girl, make her see my point, etc. and it would always result in the girl losing interest and most often not meeting up with me. But, back then I wasn't expressing a freedom from outcome. I was doing it from a needy standpoint.  (Please hear my logic out so we can come to an agreement and can meet up again.) Now, its entirely different.
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damn son, i just loved how you PUSHED through her bullshit and not take any psycho behaviour.
I on the other hand just tell them to fuck off and end the conversation thinking this aint worth my time/walk off.

Very insightful, cheers!
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insertusernamehere wrote:
 (And they say shit tests don't exist. pfft)

lol

I wouldn't get in to a relationship with her; DTF though.
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Great report!

"Needless to say...not too long after the conversation we fucked. She gave really good head (which I expect from a psycho). I made sure to wrap up and fucked her for a whole 2 minutes! LOL. All that foreplay and teasing really got to me. I couldn't hold back. (but its not really about the destination its about the journey, right? RIGHT!?!?) I was going to chill out for a second, get hard again, and then really turn her out properly but I was very hungry. I Went to the kitchen, made some Ramen noodles, threw some grilled chicken breast in it that she had in the fridge, snagged some mountain dew and returned to the room only to find her fast asleep."

Fucking funny :)
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Thanks for taking the time to write this, some really good pushing despite the bullshit :D
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Lolz. Your reports are money.
insertusernamehere wrote:
 She walked out of the room and I could hear her crying in the living room. I was thinking to myself "haha what a psycho, omg this is awesome." It now became a challenge.
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