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December 6th, 2016
Summit 2010 Notes and Review
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So Tyler started off the seminar, and he went over something that he talked about on his RSD free tour - his new theory about ALL people having multiple personalities, and that the personality that we access the most will be at the surface the most. In terms of pickup you can see which would be the most useful:

Tyler Speech #1

Tyler believes that all humans have multiple personalities, basically that we have different selves that come to the surface, and that schizophrenics are only the extreme of that.  The more we access one self, the more that self will come to the surface. The self that is constantly at the surface becomes the dominant one.

Try not to get stuck in one personality matrix. E.g. narcissism is useful for pickup, but if you are always that self then you are going to become a dick

1) Irreverent versus Conservative self
2) Utilitarian vs. Humanitarian
3) Adventurous vs. Safe self
4) Appreciative/grateful/chilled out self vs. Unsatisfied self
5) Narcissistic vs. humble self

Victim self: taking on a victim identity is useful because it stops them from being exploited again (but is ultimately useless because if you perceive yourself as a victim constantly you will be victimized)

For pickup, Irreverent self is very useful. We need to fuel the irreverent self to get good at PU. That's why by wearing a ridiculous outfit you are forcing yourself to give up acceptance and it fuels your irreverence. E.g. Dennis Rodman wearing a wedding dress

Utilitarian people are very good at getting shit done. Tyler gave the example of BP executives, and how they can be very hard-nosed and business minded versus actors, who, because they are constantly accessing their humanitarian selves through their acting (feeling a range of emotions, feel empathy), tend to want to save the world. The problem with a humanitarians is that they sometimes can't make tough decisions (think NGO in 3r.

The safe self keeps us in check, doesn’t allow us to walk out on the ledge, which is good for our survival. No risk, no death. The adventurous self is more no risk no reward – basically man’s innate desire for more: more experience, sex, money, adventure

Appreciative self vs. unsatisfied self is much like the adventurous vs. safe self. If we feel appreciative of the things we have, we are happy and don’t really need to get more. We are relaxed, feel good, and can recharge our batteries. Dissatisfaction with our current state pushes us to seek out better things for ourselves and create a better future.

Narcissistic self is great for pu. The frames are we are fucking awesome, and all the other guys in here are gay

-If you know how to delay gratification you get the resources in life
-Memory is state-access dependent. Joint smoking example. If you study a test high then you should take the test high as well. I thought of alcohol here and how it puts me into state (sometimes) because most of my best PU’s have been in a somewhat or more than somewhat drunk state
- Law of state transfer

People's compulsive thinking is evolutionary useful - if you have no thoughts running around in your mind you will die. But in pickup, Presence, being fully in the moment is the most useful

-most people at 40 or 50 are lame shitheads, leading cancerous lame lives and they act lame

-you don't exist; you are a figment of your own imagination. We are basically just a conglomeration of chemistry, social conditioning, and other imposed forces

-As you get older you get physically worse off, but if you are living right your paradigms get stronger. Living right means facing your fears constantly, whether that is PU, or hiking a trail that pushes us into our fear zone. To stay young mentally is to constantly do new things - new restaurants, places, trips, day trips, what have you. Don't get stuck in a mold of repetition - an easy trap to fall into that most people do. For instance, on Tyler’s day off, Sunday, he will have a desire to plop down in front of the TV, but he will push himself to do something like day trip to San Diego or new hike

-Most people are walking around in a trance. You’re not even talking to them - you are talking to their social conditioning

-If you have the belief that people will like you just for you it will become a self-fulfilling prophecy

-People that read Eckhart T.’s stuff tend to focus on the humility thing too much. Ignore the woo woo hippie stuff of being in harmony with everything and focus on his message of being present.

-Being present means responding to the moment. So when you see a hot girl you need to be present by accessing that super-narcissistic self

Ozzie's Fear Technology:

Ozzie's was pretty good.  Nothing really that grounbreaking, other than to face your fear to get good at PU.  Still, going over this seemingly small point is important.

90% of the game is dealing with the elements that fear
In a social situation we feel fear, but it is what we do that is important. Do we go to the bathroom instead of make that hard open? Do we go to the bar and get a drink? Or smoke a cigarette ;P? When you feel yourself doing that, like going to the bathroom when you don't even have to piss that bad, man up and go for it. Alcohol is an avoidance mechanism - a guy should be just as good without alcohol, and shouldn't need it to PU. If you go do your avoidance thing, you get short term positive relief, but a long-term negative effect. IOW, face those hard sets, make the tough approaches, and stop making excuses.
He even was talking about taking girls off of guys that are already making out! Don't think I'm there yet, but the tough approaches thing I can relate to.

A lot of our fears come from unrealistic expectations about people - that they expect a lot from us. In reality people don't expect a lot from you. First impressions don’t count.

-Not everyone will like you. That is a fact
- You are more critical towards yourself than most people are

Among Ozzie's students he sees three main problems arise a lot
1) Negative self perception
2) Feeling of incompetence - I'm not good at picking up women
3) A belief that if the girl really knew me she wouldn't like me

A lot of guys get caught up in a mental knot thinking that they have to execute perfectly every time. In reality, most pick-up is a bit sloppy.

Ask yourself three questions and write down the answer to each one:
1) What is your top fear of women?
2) What type of woman are you afraid of? (which one paralyzes you b/c you think she is hot)
3) A situation that scares you? (Like opening a seated mixed 4 set for example)

Physical Escalation hierarchy - everyone's can be different, but in general they will fall close together. Try all of these, if girl reacts bad, take one step back, and then try again later
Handshake
High 5
Spinning them
Hugging
Lifting them
The Claw
Makeout

Yesterday and today were much more intense. Alexander, Ryan, and Tyler’s speech today were off the charts. My head is still reeling. I’ve actually taken the night off to write down these things and recharge.

Alexander Speech #1

Alex's first speech was pretty good, and he also showed a lot of video, so I don't have a lot of notes here.  He was an excellent speaker.  I remember after HotSeat writing up a review that I didn't get his game - that he just seemed drunk.  Now I get it.  :P

“I am enough”

Two zones: success and embarrassment. The guys that are the best at PU have pushed themselves, thereby ending up in both zones much more than the average person. When you do that, you cease to care, and your comfort zone expands.

Alexander’s Speech on SNL game (speech #2)

This speech was trully groundbreaking.  By this point in the seminar I was starting to realize just how good these guys really are.  I even started to think they have a sort of genius, but then I thought that they appear that way because, somewhat like Malcom Gladwell's "Outliers," they have so much experience that it makes them experts.  Plus they have each other to bounce off of - their own private mastermind group.

Girls are basically stimulation junkies

-he will buy drinks to make the pull more easy sometimes – to give that girl that excuse “I was drunk” so she doesn’t have to be blamed. He put out the question to us: “Even in your most fucked up, puking on the floor, can’t walk state, would you allow a guy to fuck you up the ass?” Obviously not, so basically the point must be conceded that if the chick let you in there she wanted it. But don’t be sober and fuck the drunk chick. If a girl is really drunk and you want to fuck her then get as drunk as her. That solves the moral dilemma.

There are two methods for the SNL, Sexual Kamikaze and Slow & Steady
Sexual Kamikaze is basically massive physical escalation and doing all in your power to make the pull go down

For us in LA, the first two hours from 10pm to 12pm don’t mean shit. They are literally worthless for a pu. So feel free to open sets and reopen them later. 12am-2am is when the game is played. There is a rhythm to a club. Girls want to have a good time with their friends (as should we) before they go home, so unless it is some kind of anomaly, the girl is not going to want to be pulled before 12am.  Funny story - Brad will go to the club and stand by himself drinking in the corner before game time.  So much for negative social proof.

Like us, girls are stuck in their head when they first get to the club. As the night wears on, they will be enjoying the energy of the club and they will naturally become more open to interactions and escalation.

Girls generally have three different types of reactions, and by those you can tell what their dating status is.
1) They are nice to you. This means she has a boyfriend. If you are a cool guy, a girl will be nice to you to keep you around. She won’t mention the boyfriend, won’t even bring him up. She is essentially using you for your personality, with no intention of fucking you, even though she is aware that you are talking to her with intent. Alexander was pissed off about this concept and stressed how he hated how girls would use you for your personality.  He employs "The Boyfriend Treatment" on these girls
2) They are bitchy to you. This usually means their boyfriend is IN the club.
3) They are “quietly attentive.” Bingo! These are the single girls. They are in the presence of a cool guy. They are shutting up because they are taken by you/giving you a chance to show yourself

Because girls will not bring up the boyfriend with a cool guy, or will say they have a boyfriend in order to see how it affects you (congruence test), Alex uses a quick barrage of questions and then asks them their boyfriend’s name in order to catch them off guard.

Or another tactic is to notice something she is wearing, such as jewelry, and then ask her “did your sugar daddy buy that for you?”

Don’t be too picky with one night stands. 4 out of 5 star girls are fine. A 4 star girl is still a cute girl. A 5 star girl is the kind you want to bring around your friends.

Screening girls for the SNL: Questions to ask
1) Has she travelled? A girl that has travelled is going to be more emotionally mature, independent, worldly, self-confident, and more likely to make her own decision regarding whether to fuck you or not.
2) How old is she? 21 is the optimum age. 22-24 is not so good. Any amount over that is good. And any amount under 21 is good, but we live in the USA so we aren’t going to see 18 year olds out at the clubs. Alex thinks that girls get serious from 22-24, want to find a good job, have a boyfriend and get their life in alignment, whereas a 21 year old wants to have fun and experiences. The girls who are 25+ are more free in their decision making and have experienced enough of life so they are going to be more open to a pickup.
3) Are you drinking tonight? Partying tonight?
4) What are you doing tomorrow? This is a good logistical question. If she is waking up at 6am to attend church move on. If she is sleeping in, sounds good.
5) Who is she here with?
6) Is she adventurous, a risk-taker?
7) Where are you staying tonight?
8) Are you having a good time?
9) Do you like to party? Are you crazy? I’m crazy

Talk about sex very quickly, promiscuity, dirty things. “I bet you party hard/are promiscuous”

To be good at pickup, you have to be a bit of an asshole. Assholes pull. Nice guys do not pull.

**The single biggest trick to an SNL, so simple it’s ridiculous, is to leave the club when they leave. This reminded me of that guy you talked about from Beauty Bar. Maybe he’s not such an asshole. Just an efficient guy.

Use any kind of lie to facilitate a pull. It is OK to lie in order to solve any logistical issues. A good extraction lie is “Oh shit my ex-girlfriend is on her way. We’d better get out of here she is coming to start trouble” or “Oh that’s my ex-girlfriend with her new boyfriend over there. We should get out of here since he wants to fight and I like to avoid confrontations”

Deliberate illogicality -
I'm very brave I once battled an animal
If I was tiger woods I would have an affair with you
I love you
I want to impregnate you
I want to put a baby in you
I want to name our first daughter chlamydia
Your ass looks like a speed bump, I want to ride my bike over it
I love myself
Do you think were lost in the moment?
How do you know when love takes over?
Do you like beer or do you like me?
Is love always like a battlefield?
Does this drink taste like rufies?
If love was a flavor it would be me
Your lips are like sugar
You hold my hand like my grandma holds my dick
Sit on my face
I like to whack off
I want to pick strawberries with you
Motor boat her, growl at her, bite her, hug and dry hump her
Comebacks - Where do you live? In my moms basement,
- Where are you from? Heaven

A funny opener: How do you know when love takes over?

Emotional faux pas: topics of convo - need to have this clarified by Alex
If love was a flavor…
Guidos
Gstrings
Ovaries
Fallopian tubes
Paris Hilton
Penetration
Haikus
Threesomes

SOE= Statement of empathy – to take note of her feelings
I know what you think but I’m going to do it anyway
“You’re aggressive”
“I know. But that’s how we do it in Boise, Idaho”

Value Inversion Point is when you take the foot off the arousal gas and just look at her and let her respond. Also, at some point you want to shift gears and let her game you. You don’t ever get laid unless the girl games you a bit. Don’t let yourself become a foregone conclusion. There should be an element of her not knowing it’s 100% on. Avoid the predictable and boring to her which is essentially escalating too much. A neck bite yes, a make out no. No point in rushing anything

End game: shock & awe: to be used at the end of the night as the sexual kamikaze. It is a combination of physical escalation combined with you blaming her for it. E.g. “god your dress is driving me crazy.”

Club = temple of relaxation

TODD


-Todd was also very impressive.  He's been in it so long that he has a background in nearly everything pu related.

One of the old G’s from the book the Game. He was the guy that slept in the tent in the backyard.

Like’s Alex’s deliberate illogicality and Ryan’s idiot monologue.

Opinion opener is good to come in under the radar for family sets and for moving sets. “Hey I need your opinion.”

NLP type expressive language while escalating

Common elements of successful styles
Fuck with people
Be genuine
Show penis (have balls – show her that you are a man and not just another guy)

-You have to demonstrate value in some way.
-The game is truly played in comfort
-“Are you a player” If by player you mean awesome cool guy who is going to sweep you off your feet then yes

-if in comfort be genuine
-Anything you do to increase your value decreases comfort and vice versa

Comfort = comfort isn’t really anything. It is essentially the absence of bad emotions.
Comfort =non-discomfort
Comfort is created by time – the more time you spend, the more comfort you have

Wobbly pedestal theory – put the woman on a pedestal, but make it a three legged pedestal that wobbles

I’d love to get into your head, but only for 2 minutes
You’re like a platypus: a great essential part of nature but you have to wonder how it ever came into existence

2 things he asks of girls
1) He is #1 priority
2) Always honest
2 Archetypes of Men
1) Provider
2) Men that women cheat with
A very high percentage of children are the result of seducers (10%?)

A girl wants a guy who she doesn’t deserve but who somehow finds her special and will therefore take care of her.

“You know such things have never concerned me.” A response to her mentioning someone else she is dating as a shit test, or even if it’s real
Girls are illogical, emotion based, but incredibly logical evolutionarily

If I could tell you something about yourself that is very interesting, but that you probably don’t know about, would you want to hear that? I mean it could have a big impact the way you see things…. Open loop/hook

When things are going badly in set, start to word vomit until something hits. Most guys do the opposite; they get quiet when things are going bad when they should be talking more

When things are going well, conversely, let her do the work. Chill back

Book: making people talk by Barry Fisher

Assume the burden of the conversation

Check giving Theory: If your influence on their life is a + value offering then why would be afraid to walk up?

Poker Variance Theory: Don’t focus on results. Focus on process. If you take right action enough times over and over again you can’t help but win.

Deservedness theory: Basically do you feel entitled

Infinite Practice Theory:

Right vs. Easy Theory

List 5 Reasons you are the best decision a girl could possibly make
5 things you are looking for in a girl
5 things you wouldn’t tolerate in a girl
5 things you wouldn’t tolerate from yourself

Hey I really like you but I don’t like that. Don’t do it

What is a relationship?
Emotional Investment
Precedent: be careful what precedents you set. So for example, if you only want to see a girl once or twice a week then it probably wouldn’t be wise to see her 5 days in a row
Girlfriend training from the start

Reward and punish with affection and attention

Love is a verb…a series of actions, what you do on a daily basis

MLTR’s—in favor of disclosure, but without rubbing in the face, but yes if she asks if you are dating other people don’t lie

If you want to diagnose your game ask yourself the following questions
Am I being true to myself?
What would I do in this situation if she was already my gf?
What would I do if she was 4 years old?
What would Brad Pitt do? (Not an excuse to be an elitist and asshole and walk away)
Did I play to win?
Did I show penis?
Did she need more value or more comfort?

Sit on the same side of the table as them when you are on a date
Don’t be a foregone conclusion

Papa:

Retailmenot.com
Connecting flights 1st class and round rip
Couchsurfing.com
Eurorail pass 21 countries 1st class
Priceline – choose your own price
VRBO.com for mansions cheaper than hotel
I work for Microsoft
Be a part of the industry – cars, nightlife, and fashion
RSD nation: pms for lodgings

Call the concierge at a hotel when staying in a new city

Going.com
Pubclub.com
Meetup.com
About.com
private social networking sites ( a smallworld)
Subscribe to local enewsletters for nightlife

Playboy mansion
Ticketstothemansion.com

Party clubs: Xenii, Carbon, Attica, Soho house & Real Member Club
French Tuesdays (cultural events)
Charity (philanthropy galas and clubs)

Country clubs (youth groups)
Summit series & TED
Elite biz clubs (EO, SYP)

Act like you are a major airline-overbook your schedule

Craigslist for Grammys, Emmys, Oscars

Dinner party clubs (La, NYC, and syd)
Pink elephant in London

Appear as a possible VIP JV partner
AMX black card (or fake eBay version)

“I’m from LA”
“I work in clubs”
I’m from x productions

Hotel or card concierge

Text messages: for invites, holidays, and hellos
Organize mobile phone by city
Create forum to act as phone directory

The ultimate tool: blackberry world phones
Sort girls by type: party girls vs. etc.

Dates: private tours of the city
Movies or drinks at my place
Cook a meal
Bring her to an event
Exec. Lounge at my hotel
Museum parties & art showings
City tours
Tasting menus
Culinary schools
Private dinner
Spg.com
Opentable.com
Lingerie shopping
Ooolalashop.com
Travel brokers- make friends with them to get the best coupons
Clubtext.com

Jeffy:

Jeffy has tight verbals and is genuinely funny.  He also says the same stuff over and over - which is not a criticism.  Rather, it reminds me that no matter how long and natural you are, you are going to have mini-routines that you will use again and again.  My criticism would be that Jeffy's presentation was of videos of him gaming very average looking girls, girls that aren't very hard to game.  There was one video of him in Phoenix, which I think they filmed the same night I went to HotSeat.  Three girls, all very hot - straight up Scottsdale hotties, and he got blown out pretty quick.  These are the level of girls I wanted to see video of him gaming, but most of the girls in his videos were 7's or below, with one or two exceptions.  Maybe he is capable of gaming really hot girls but if so he didn't show it. 

Good game:
1) Core confidence
2) Bring value
3) Escalate
I like her more than yesterday but less than tomorrow

Make out if they feel they are lower value



Tyler Speech II

Tylers first speech was very good.  His second speech was awesome.  I had one of those "my brain is melting" feelings by the time he got through, similar to the Blueprint. 

“My religion is intent + freedom of outcome + calling forth attention from the confines of the mind (aka presence) + evolution of paradigms. My goal is to develop an identity that will be purely awesome, to be a concept of awesome, because I don’t believe that I’m actually real.

Tyler spoke a lot about group think. Mobs have a hard time w/
1) Paradox
2) Case by Case
3) Subtleties
4) Grey Areas

A simplistic mob idea: Love conquers all
So unplug from groupthink
Codependence, Interdependence, and Independence (where the playas are)

People are self-obsessed so you can use the following
1)“You just did the thing that I hate most in the entire world."
2) You do something awesome but I don’t want to tell you what it is because it will make you self-conscious
What does that say about me? What is so and so saying about me? How do I look? My opinion is XYZ and I need people to agree with it.
-People want to know who the hell they are and are confused by it.
-Self-obsession doesn’t make you very happy. Ironically taking value doesn’t make you happy. It is the offering of value that makes you happy. Listen to someone and be 100% present.

Approval Seeking:
1) social status
2) validation of roles, beliefs, identity
3) Harmonizing with the environment

Ultimate irony of approval seeking – ?

Do your own thing. Don’t worry about getting approval. Be authentic. People will appreciate you for that

Entitlement: you don’t grab the girl, you don’t get in her grill, you don’t talk without funny rapport breaking tonality, and you don’t venue change. You make excuses for escalating

Meditation helps because it conditions you not to think. You don’t have those “out of my league” thoughts

A problem with entitlement is that you attach your sense of entitlement to your state, or your skills to it. So if you don’t feel entitled you are going to be “in state” or have that easy use of your skills. Things like physical game, EC for instance

Oftentimes people who are the most dark will have a demented sense of humor. That’s fine, it can be super funny

Social interaction w/o any outcome. Tyler often feels like he is trying to convince people, selling, getting things done. This is good because it makes me the ultimate hustler, but it is bad for the brain.

Tyler’s story about game 7 of the NBA playoffs = Kobe’s intent vs. his freedom of outcome

Intelligence in humans is assumed, but generally the average person’s intelligence is as well-developed as the average person’s body: flabby with little muscle, degenerating further as time goes on
Just think how you should think, act how you should act. Learn to simplify. Don’t overcomplicate. Recognize what works and what doesn’t. Getting emotional doesn’t work. Trying to impress people doesn’t work. Caring what people think doesn’t work. Being negative doesn’t work. Having insecurities about your body doesn’t work. Giving your power away by offering too much/being too available doesn’t work.

Brain working properly according to Tyler:
1) Diet – foods, supplements, omega 3’s and Bcomplex vitamin
2) Sleep – totally dark sleep room
3) Cardio
4) Reading (no TV or internet)
5) Meditation – breathing no thinking
6) Lifting weights
7) Getting outdoors

-Caring what other people think is dumb.
-150 healthiest foods by Johnny Bowden
-using humor as the most powerful anti-depressant. The way you look at the world is your anti-depressant
-recommends improv comedy
- when your brain is flooded with good chemicals you are more in control
-social interacting without outcome – go out and have fun

Elements of game
-free association
-vibing
-full intent
-physical escalation
- freedom of outcome
-momentum
- shock humor and eccentricity – the value is that girls ping and find no back ping – opens them up for bathroom pulls, etc..
-extreme unpredictability is useful because if all social norms have been thrown out the window then the girl will be in that frame for a pull, so go full unpredictable
His response to “you’re rich, aren’t you?’ “No I live in my parent’s basement. I lack the qualities to be successful.” Then he lists a bunch of qualities that it takes to be successful

Ryan

Ryan's presentation was very good.  He has some very strong external game, and he had novel material to present

Pure chode is perpetual pinging

Nobody knows what the fuck is going on
There is no such thing as a certainty

How much you emote is directly related to how good you are at PU. Develop your emoting muscles.

Frames are determined almost immediately. Once the frame of a relationship has been set changing it is a huge uphill battle

Cognitive Mastery – being able to maintain your beliefs in the face of counter-evidence

Alex exists in a constant state of output. It is important to be the outputer
The winning reality, I’m a fucking winner and I like you, you seem smart so this is a no-brainer
-shaping/framing the reality – shaping a multiple choice question –“how much do you like me tons or super tons?”
-reality is shaped by what you acknowledge

Open on isolation?

Establish conversational rhythm

One good way to push past the obstacles. “God! I’m so angry…I always date women that are too young for me. I should just date women my own age who are emotionally mature, and don’t just go along with their friends opinions”

Frequency Divergence: social settings have a range of emotions
- disconnect her from the club frequency
- body language
- words

Turn You up
-nothing is set in stone. The world is plastic

Brad

I missed this presentation but here are some borrowed notes:

Break rapport until hook and then be neutral

Guys who are good at pu usually do a lot of roleplays
-gf/bf roleplay
-lets get married
-chode

-as talking to girl poke/tickle
-sexual misinterpretation
-move girl at least once in venue – if you don’t move her at least once you probably won’t pull

-talk about things you are generally interested in: diet, exercise, social stuff, mock chodes in the club

-on nights when you are getting blown out left and right start approaching w/ breaking rapport tonality

-in btwn. Sets, jump up and down, high 5 people, and walk around like you are the owner of the club

-With 9’s and 10’s use breaking rapport tonality like a newscaster or jerk bf, boss

-breaking rapport tonality is the quickest, easiest way to convey high value (acc: brad)

-A good identity to have is “I’m a man of action”

-Read and write field reports regularly

-When you go out fuck around with everyone, talk shit, make fun of chodes, have fun, amuse yourself

Random (some unattributed) stuff:


Tyler: It’s not what you get out of things it’s what you put into them

Tyler or Alex: Don't play not to lose, play to win

It’s not what you do, it’s what you deal with (Tyler?)

Approach girls that resonate with you
Comfort & The Bubble
-create a scenario in which you already know her:
“you were in my kindergarten class..”
“you’re my sister’s friend”
-“minus 10 points”
“shhh…let’s talk about something else”
“She says she’s from CA…”Oh fuck that….”
Spiking emotions with negs.

Overall:

Well worth the money and the week in Vegas is awesome.  I really think RSD is on the cutting edge of a lot of this stuff, and if you've never been to one it's well worth it.  But, like Tyler said, if you just go out for enough time, you will get it handled.
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Thanks man. You just refreshed some of the things I missed in my own notes.

Cool notes and review!
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Awesome notes, feel like I was almost there.  wink
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"My criticism would be that Jeffy's presentation was of videos of him gaming very average looking girls, girls that aren't very hard to game. There was one video of him in Phoenix, which I think they filmed the same night I went to HotSeat. Three girls, all very hot - straight up Scottsdale hotties, and he got blown out pretty quick. These are the level of girls I wanted to see video of him gaming, but most of the girls in his videos were 7's or below"

Just curious

A pickup coach who have done this for a living for like 7 years, why do a guy like that even try to game 6s? Why? Shouldnt a guy like that be so good with so many reference experiences that he would have no problem at all getting hotties?
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SwedishDean wrote:
"My criticism would be that Jeffy's presentation was of videos of him gaming very average looking girls, girls that aren't very hard to game. There was one video of him in Phoenix, which I think they filmed the same night I went to HotSeat. Three girls, all very hot - straight up Scottsdale hotties, and he got blown out pretty quick. These are the level of girls I wanted to see video of him gaming, but most of the girls in his videos were 7's or below"

Just curious

A pickup coach who have done this for a living for like 7 years, why do a guy like that even try to game 6s? Why? Shouldnt a guy like that be so good with so many reference experiences that he would have no problem at all getting hotties?

LOL

will Jeffy reply?
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jlaix

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This doesn't add up. 10 pages of notes on every other guy but me, and his only notes on me are "most of his girls aren't hot and he got blown out in a video." I was the only instructor to even present a substantive amount of video other than alex. The girls presented ran the gamut from fat dummies all the way to turbo cokewhores and I presented each as such. The blowout video was presented to show a specific error and was explained in context. A large percentage of attendees thought my presentation was the best of summit. 

I don't think OP likes me guys. 

*kills self*
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SwedishDean wrote:
Just curious

A pickup coach who have done this for a living for like 7 years, why do a guy like that even try to game 6s? Why? Shouldnt a guy like that be so good with so many reference experiences that he would have no problem at all getting hotties?

These are nerd distinctions which no longer matter to me, or to any real natural I know who is fucking new girls every day. I fuck girls I am attracted to, period. 

Lets put it this way: I've fucked girls most fags on this forum COULDN'T ever dream of fucking, and I have also fucked girls most fags here WOULDN'T dream of fucking. lol
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You must've (unknowingly) AMOG'd him while he was gaming a turbo. 
jlaix wrote:
This doesn't add up. 10 pages of notes on every other guy but me, and his only notes on me are "most of his girls aren't hot and he got blown out in a video." I was the only instructor to even present a substantive amount of video other than alex. The girls presented ran the gamut from fat dummies all the way to turbo cokewhores and I presented each as such. The blowout video was presented to show a specific error and was explained in context. A large percentage of attendees thought my presentation was the best of summit. 

I don't think OP likes me guys. 

*kills self*

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jlaix wrote:
This doesn't add up. 10 pages of notes on every other guy but me, and his only notes on me are "most of his girls aren't hot and he got blown out in a video." I was the only instructor to even present a substantive amount of video other than alex. The girls presented ran the gamut from fat dummies all the way to turbo cokewhores and I presented each as such. The blowout video was presented to show a specific error and was explained in context. A large percentage of attendees thought my presentation was the best of summit. 

I don't think OP likes me guys. 

*kills self*

I actually do like you Jeffy.  I read your book, saw the Jeffy Show, really liked both.  I know you said your blowout video was to show an example of impression vs. expression.  Also, the reason I don't have notes of your presentation was because it was composed of nearly all video (not a criticism).

I was looking for more videos of Jeffy gaming "smokeshows," turbos or whatever.   I don't think you consistently showed video of you gaming that caliber of girl.  No doubt you have game man - I don't think that is in doubt.  But I think I would have learned more if I had seen you gaming Scottsdale 9+'s and seeing it go down.  I'm living in LA now and every night I go out I see SHB's in cocktail dresses.  Those are the girls that I have more trouble hooking so I would have preferred less quantity of videos and seeing more difficult sets.
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improvingame wrote:
Thanks for such a detailed and easy to follow write up. I'm gonna keep referring to it to refresh on what was covered.

I have a friend who felt the same way about the girls in Jeffy's videos.

However I feel that Jeffy did show at least a couple really hot girls.

 I remember two of them that were noticabely very hot. 1) The girl whose dad is rich/famous 2) The tall girl at the park with the friend who is in law school.

I believe that if these two girls dressed up like the scottsdale hotties and had super breakin' rapport mentality/ bitchey attitudes hard wired into them then they would be considered just as hot.

I'm in Scottsdale right now. We went out the last three nights. I have rarely seen girls as hot as the one's in Jeffy's set where he got blown out, except for the girl's who get paid to work in the bar or dance on the platforms--those girls are comparable.  Even here they are like the top 1% of girls in the bars.

I have a feeling that the reason why they aren't any of those types of chicks in Jeffy's pulls is because there aren't many girls with that type of personality in SF as it's not really accepted there.

I also detected that Jeffy showed a couple flashes of undeservingness when he was talking to the Scottsdale hotties. With those type of girls if you are not "in their league" (i.e bouncer/ bartender /pro athlete)  I really believe to have any chance whatsoever you cannot even show a whiff of undeservingness.

 I felt he did amazingly well, especially considering the fact that he's like 5'6 - 5'7.


Yeah I think the girls are definitely easier to game in SF, more dressed down, not as turbo, and a lot of them are too Emo for my taste.  They listen to Billy Holiday on record players, shave their legs once every 2 weeks, and wear too much vintage clothing.  It's like the anti-hot city: girls purposely hide their bodies.  You living in Scotts would know how it is there, but I think it well more than 1% of girls that are that hot.  Have you been to the W?  It's filled with girls like that every weekend.  IME there are a lot of hot girls in Scotts, almost like a mini-LA, it's THAT good.

I saw the same thing in the video - that flash of undeservingness.  In fact it reminded me of myself after you get blown out of that caliber of set.  You look to your friend and you say something like he did: "was that too much?"  The "you are going to have my next abortion" type shock humor will work, but only if you feel 95% - 99% deserving (there is no 100%).  So yeah, Jeffy is human, go figure.  I guess it's time to take his poster down off my wall.

Is that last part a joke?  What's with the self-limiting belief thing?
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Yeah I guess it's also reflective of San francisco culture. I didnt really think about that I guess. Maybe I should move.

Nah
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