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January 21st, 2017
What Are Your Thoughts On Feminism?
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Caligula

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*********Try to keep politics out of this discussion*********

Last semester I took a Women's Studies course. It was, erm, interesting smile

The course obviously made feminism out to be the greatest thing since sliced bread, and there were a lot of good points made.

That said, I think we can all agree that there have been drawbacks to the rise of feminism in Western culture. I would like to have a discussion here about what you think the positives and negatives of feminism have been in male/female dynamics, and how we as men can move forward.

In particular, I'd like to hear your thoughts on...
- Women's sexual liberation. Casual sex being less stigmitized
- Women in the workplace
- The stigmitization of masculinity
- The weakening of relationships
- How feminism has changed what it means to be a successful woman, and whether that new definition is the ideal?

Look forward to the discussion!

-Caligula
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Manwhore

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It was just a natural consequence of how things used to be.  As far as "pros" and "cons"... nothing has been lost, only new information gained. 

Women are simply saying "Hey if you claim to be a man, you better BE one, not just pretend."  
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Calavera

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Caligula wrote:
*********Try to keep politics out of this discussion*********

Last semester I took a Women's Studies course. It was, erm, interesting smile

The course obviously made feminism out to be the greatest thing since sliced bread, and there were a lot of good points made.

That said, I think we can all agree that there have been drawbacks to the rise of feminism in Western culture. I would like to have a discussion here about what you think the positives and negatives of feminism have been in male/female dynamics, and how we as men can move forward.

In particular, I'd like to hear your thoughts on...
- Women's sexual liberation. Casual sex being less stigmitized
- Women in the workplace
- The stigmitization of masculinity
- The weakening of relationships
- How feminism has changed what it means to be a successful woman, and whether that new definition is the ideal?

Look forward to the discussion!

-Caligula
Well it's a good thing liberation happend, BC pills, condoms, etc. Though it's not completely de-stigmatized but it's a LOT better.. However, I really do feel that men are PORTRAYED to be the 'pigs' that abuse women but there are DEFINITELY women out there that are of the same profile, that fuck w/ men, use them for sex/money/prestige, etc.

Women in the workplace is a GOOD THING, we are now utilizing 50% of the population to get more INCOME... it's good. Though pay is not eqaul still but its' getting better...

Women are kindof given get out of jail free card just cause of the way they were born at times though.. reverse sexism.

That's the tthing.. in these gender courses they talk about NEW definition of ideal women, but there are MULTIPLE NARRATIVES for this in the real world. There are remnants of the old 'ideal' women in some people's conditioning, while some people adopt (yes, adopt they choose) to take in MORE OF THE NEWER definitions...

Weakening of relationships? Probably not women's fault.. probably just individualism in general.

Ideal? Whose to really say that right.. (maybe too easy of an answer here.) But yeah... Things are better, the main value I think of it was: question social conditioning.

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Feminism isn't a cohesive perspective but a set of perspectives with little logical cohesion from one to the next. For example, there are feminist models that claim all differences between men and women are cultural. Men and women are not only equal but would also be equivalent if it wasn't for the "oppressive patriarchy" culture that partitions society into gender roles. On the other side of the coin you have feminist models that embrace femininity as core to the female sex. They see women as equal to men but qualitatively different. Being barefoot in the kitchen, dancing naked in the forest, being a good mother IS feminism. From this perspective the point of feminism is to bring the feminine values into traditionally masculine contexts as well as embrace the traditional roles. And you have pretty much everything in between.

The problem feminism presents society today is the lack of logical cohesion used in applying feminist thinking. People just pick and choose whichever perspective benefits them most for argument and even policy decision. For example, if a man somehow kills a 4 week old fetus it's infanticide. If a woman aborts your 6 month old baby it's just an abortion...

The analytical framework of gender studies is valid but the political movement of feminism has gone from being about equality for all humanity to just another demographic pursuing their own personal interests at the expense of others. You're not going to find many feminist organizations fighting for father's rights, or the over-representation of men in volatile, dangerous, low-paying jobs.
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Talking about feminism usually gets me laid or slapped.

The interesting thing is: what has happened to men since the rise of feminism? Empowering women is all good but a knock-on effect has been that the traditional role of the man as the provider has become obsolete. So guys don't really know their place. Don't know their value to society. Hence metrosexuality, chodery, and similar shit.

Z@n talks about this in this video from 3:00 onwards.

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Hamlet wrote:
The interesting thing is: what has happened to men since the rise of feminism? Empowering women is all good but a knock-on effect has been that the traditional role of the man as the provider has become obsolete. So guys don't really know their place. Don't know their value to society. Hence metrosexuality, chodery, and similar shit.
The traditional role of man in is in limbo.  On one hand you got the stigmatization of masculinity and the rise of the new age pussy.  On the other hand, you are legally bound to the role of provider if you ever have a baby and you're a "deadbeat dad".  Socialization is complete shit in this regard without an internal compass.
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Manwhore wrote:
It was just a natural consequence of how things used to be.  As far as "pros" and "cons"... nothing has been lost, only new information gained. 

Women are simply saying "Hey if you claim to be a man, you better BE one, not just pretend."  
Pretty much. I mean women being equal which is what feminism is, yeah, I cool with that. As for women whoring around, whatever. I mean, I'll fuck her, I'll let her suck me dry but, I wont wife it. Why? Thhat is nasty.

Look back at our grandpa. The fucker fought in WWII, our grandpapi fought in WWI. They were nails. They came up and survived a great depression. They had no time to and cry about a disease or take anti-depressants. They manned up. These days, men are bitching about body image issues. The men are pathetic in a lot of cases.
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Go to Russia to see what a world with less feminism looks like. interesting.
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Manwhore

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It's pretty hilarious to blame Russia's problems on a lack of feminism.
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Manwhore wrote:
It's pretty hilarious to blame Russia's problems on a lack of feminism.
lol it s not at all what i meant at all. I love Russia, i meant it s interesting cause it s really refreshing to see girls being that feminine there... (i dont think there is any correlation between lack of feminism and economic problems in russia. lool that d be hilarious if i meant that indeed)
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