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October 21st, 2017
Astral Projection?
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slothfulpizza

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android since youre interested in psychoactive substances and ingredients here one,i havent tried it but if i ever get a chance to,i wont think twice about it!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayahuasca












i would love to try this out.i have a thing for psychedelic things,even more with a chick that is into it!
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 Funny you brought that up. I really considered talking about this in this thread but honestly, the experience is SO FAR REMOVED that I thought maybe it would be better to keep quiet. considering im bored as fuck right now though (and i drank a large coffee), and you brought it up... I will talk about it.

It puts everything ive done in my life to shame, mindshattering-wise. .. it makes astral projection as scary as a coloring book... that is why its SO. FAR. out of the reality of most people, they will get 1/100th of 1% of what its like. its interesting to hear about though, i think.

One time I smoked DMT, which is the short acting form of ayahuasca. That above what you wrote about lasts forever, and I heard from someone who did it its way too long. 

Everything following this text is all hypothetical (of course). It is for entertainment purposes only. I hold no responsibility for what I'm about to say. I don't admit to doing anything.

if you didnt know DMT is made in your brain, its released when you are born and when you die. its the strongest psychedelic known to man. Far more than acid, far more than shrooms... 

there was an entire study written on it (look up the book: DMT The Spirit Molecule). basically that is what they think a lot of near death experiences came from, as the dmt is flooded into your brain at the point of death, and is believed to 'transition the soul' to the next place, giving it a soft pillow to float on as the body is crushed or killed or whatever happens during death, and the soul makes its abrasive transition into WHEREVER.

the following story is purely fiction and for your entertainment -only-.
in college i brewed DMT in my friends kitchen. i got mimosa hostilis root bark from africa which was a deep purple, and saturated with the chemical compound that yields dmt. I went to the hardware store and got all the necessary ingredients, lye, ammonia, test tubes, beakers, wine, naptha. In his kitchen i did a polar extraction, basification with sodium hydroxide, then nonpolar extraction with naptha, followed by a freeze precipitation and an ammonia wash. 
I was left with a handful of white dmt crystals worth several hundred dollars.

i do not under any circumstances recommend you do this...

I sat on the couch, ready to experience one of the most psychedelic substances (perhaps besides datura, which is so bad that its not even really a recreational drug, it just completely destroys your reality in a very bad way. every trip report explains how its the worst experience of the persons life). 

My friend had to help me because the trip comes on SO quickly that often by the first breath you are already tripping balls, and you trip so hard you arent even able to smoke anymore.

The first time I got 2 deep breaths in and instantly the entire room looked super alien, and my hands looked like hooves. I felt completely like I was in an alien world, but i didnt understand what the pipe was infront of me so i couldnt continue. I came back to earth shortly after thinking what the FUCK was that. i didnt break through, so i thought i would try again in a week.

This time, a week later my goal was to break through. that is the point of NO return. when you smoke weed, drink alcohol, do cocaine, take shrooms, do acid.. theres always a thick (or thin) thread of THIS reality to grasp onto, in varying degrees. When you break through, that thread is completely SNAPPED, and -nothing- of this world exists any more.. il explain that in a sec. it is literally complete ego loss to the point where you thik you are dead (literally dead... you cease to become you).

so, this time i made a huge effort to smoke deeply and quickly. first hit, second hit i was insanely gone.. third hit my friend had to hold it for me and kept telling me over and over to breathe.. i managed that somehow. the 4th breath i dont even remember taking, just some core primal instinct told me to INHALE and that was it. 

at that point, i broke through, and it was the equivalent of someone coming into your room right now, kicking down your door while youre sitting here reading this faggot post on rsd, maybe post lay.. checking your phone, reading threads... he holds a gun to your head and says "you have 15 seconds to live....". then cocks his gun. all that fear that bubbles up in you, all the things you havent accomplished, all the goodbyes you havent said, all the parts of your life you havent experienced yet, all the places you never travelled, all the people you never said sorry to.. ALL of that came up and i was confronted with it. ALl this work that I have done on my own personality at the age of 25... my self which i love so much.ALL GONE. Ceasing to exist. No more, my time on earth is done son. My ego, quite literally, was shattered apart so hard that it was FORCED to let go with the power of a billion nuclear bombs.
Thats the best i can compare the moment I broke through too, it literally was THE scariest moment of my entire life, and hoenstly now, i dont' give a shit about death after that. i dont want to die, as i have a lot left to do... but it doesnt cause anxiety for me,  i have nothing to fear of it anymore. when im lying on my death bed at 80, if i last that long, i will think back of my life and how great its been, i will be nostalgic, but i wont be afraid.

anyway enuff of that mushy shit,
what i saw post breakthrough was just as amazing. I saw infinite colors, i saw colors that didnt exist. Imagine there is a heaven and a hell.... or some OTHER place, that is an afterlife. THAT is where it felt like i was (whether i really was or not is not the point). EVERY part of this reality ceased to exist. Even primal instincts of fear, love, sex, hunger, hot, cold.. NONE of that existed after breaking through. it was replaced with a whole new paradigm where there was no duality, no emotions even existed. ive broken through on shrooms before, and it was much more than that.. i wish i could explain how but i just cant. im cracking up now actually thinking how much words just turn it into something its not, but thats the best tool i got.

because the primal insticts dont exist where i was, i no longer felt fear, just ... a connection with my environment .. i floated around these infinitely complex rooms for what seemed like 100 or 500 years (in reality, it was 5 minutes i was lying on the bed). you can say all you want to, of me simply being 'in my head' and no actual spiritual PLACE. to me, though... being once a firm person of doubt and suspicion and a skeptic... i believe i was not just 'in my head'. it was so incredibly profound (even 4 years later), that I cant really believe a random chemical or 'dopamine' or seratonin release or wahtever else other drugs do could be responsible for what i saw and felt.  i would expect most people to think its silly, but those few who have tried it should know what im talkin about. i was lucky enough to see 'machine gnomes' my first time, which Dr. Strassman describes as very rare among people, but they all see the same things. theyre basically entities that appear in your vision... like .. i dont know. fuck. they gave off the very strong vibe like they were the operators of my soul, and gave the vibe "you are okay, you are safe here but... what the HELL are you doing here this early??". i cant really say if i really think i was talking to them or not, that specific part has faded from my mind too much, but, i find it rather peculiar so many people experience the exact same thing which is very specific. Not just a 'hallucination' but the exact same hallucination, the same vibe, and the same experience, when in the world of psychedelics experiences are generally very radically different.

i came to like... 5 minutes later as i reassembeled myself... "where am i? what is that sound in my head? (my own language)? I'm... human.. im .. a gender.. male... i have a name.. im in a room.. its a dorm room, etc". 

i think that was the weirdest meal i ever ate. i sat in the corner of the cafeteria away from everyone eating soggy enchiladas trying to assemble what just happened...

overall... life-changingly insane. that was the moment i gave up shrooms and all other drugs (except alcohol) and decided i was goign to use fear and personal action to shape my life, not substances. 

cliffnotes:
1. acquire dmt
2. breakthrough
3. profit 
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 holy shit android that is fucking crazy man. this thread is blowing my mind right now. i'm really glad someone posted this. i've been meditating probably 20 minutes a day for about a month or two.. on and off sometimes I take a day or two off in between, but i've sometimes gotten to a point where my body just feels still and heavy and it sounds like the way the dude in that book you described is talking about. i always thought, i want to push it, but i've only done it maybe 3 times, but i didn't know you could do more with it. 

machine gnomes, that is so crazy. 

actually, today, i lucid dreamed for the first time in a while, which is why i actually read this thread. i was actually dreaming and i begun to think about this thread and being spritual, and i was. in my lucid dream i imagined some hot girl in front of me and she appeared there, but then i was thinking, wait i'm lucid dreaming, is this really happening right now, then she disappeared. then i was like, i need to wake up, but i couldnt wake up and i was stuck in my dream lol. but then i thought of myself like transporting myself back to my body and i woke up.... that was the first time i really lucid dreamed. now i'm going to try this stuff, sounds nuts!!! thanks for the book post android, been reading it on and off with this thread. '

when was the last time you astral projected? do you do it weekly or usually or what?
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 do you guys think that when you do shrooms or acid, this is actually the reality that is being put in place? you are just astral projecting to an extent while still awake? it sounds like it based off androids story.. what other things are there like the machine gnomes?? 
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so basically you can learn how to trip balls?
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 what do you guys think about the negative effects of this? this book is saying some sketchy things regarding not being able to move when you wake up, or being careful not to call out negative entities.. its saying dont have an open invitiation for entities because the wildlife in astral projection could be dangerous and cause psychological damage??? 
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sabster wrote:
 holy shit android that is fucking crazy man. this thread is blowing my mind right now. i'm really glad someone posted this. i've been meditating probably 20 minutes a day for about a month or two.. on and off sometimes I take a day or two off in between, but i've sometimes gotten to a point where my body just feels still and heavy and it sounds like the way the dude in that book you described is talking about. i always thought, i want to push it, but i've only done it maybe 3 times, but i didn't know you could do more with it. 

machine gnomes, that is so crazy. 

actually, today, i lucid dreamed for the first time in a while, which is why i actually read this thread. i was actually dreaming and i begun to think about this thread and being spritual, and i was. in my lucid dream i imagined some hot girl in front of me and she appeared there, but then i was thinking, wait i'm lucid dreaming, is this really happening right now, then she disappeared. then i was like, i need to wake up, but i couldnt wake up and i was stuck in my dream lol. but then i thought of myself like transporting myself back to my body and i woke up.... that was the first time i really lucid dreamed. now i'm going to try this stuff, sounds nuts!!! thanks for the book post android, been reading it on and off with this thread. '

when was the last time you astral projected? do you do it weekly or usually or what?
I have only successfully and completely done it one single time.  I can get very close fairly easily, ive done that probably 30 times, but I always get too excited and the process stops. I have a lot of friends who can regularly, though.
I havent tried lately because every night i go to bed very tired, and you cant be worn out or you will fall right to sleep, its too hard to keep your mind focused. in the morning is an even better time, except my blinds go halfway down and my room turns brighter than the surface of the sun at like 10am and wakes me up instantly. easily fixable problems, just havent gotten around to it.
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 good story
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nice story android.ive never had an experience so vivid or as amazing as yours.words are actually useless to describe that kind of experience but you described it pretty well.i read some other stories on psychedelic experiences on erowid and they are quiet similar to yours.saw some videos on youtube too that seem very close to what you experienced.

as for lucid dreaming i can do it regulary,not kidding,almost each time i get a dream i can explore it very easily.i can remember them well in the mornign too.i really havent practiced it,its just been that way ever since i was a kid.the only problem being when after a while in the dream i try to take total control of it i just seem to snap out of it.its very rare that i have been able to control waking up.

try this,you can take some melatonin and head to bed,it makes sure youre knocked out and gives you more vivid dreams,the more you get excited about this the more you will be aware of being in the dream,itll take some time,slowly you will learn to control your dreams.for instance if you have ever had a dream in which you are trying to avoid something bad,thats usually just you trying to take control of the dream.i once had a whole pride of lions chasing me and i was very well aware of what i was doing,logically thinking and acting as if i were awake to stay away from them!even knowing that it was just a dream.thats usually where you need to be careful or youll lose it and wake up.

somethings i have done in dreams,

flying,
sex.which is my favourite!,
walk around from one place to some other place some where else,
dream in a dream!,
touch and feel objects.this is probably whats going to freak you out,touching and feeling in a dream is MUCH MUCH MUCH much reaslistic than even in real life,making out seems so much more real and arousing in a dream its ridiculous!,
sometimes i have smelled things that i havent smelled for a really long time i mean like years!,i dont control this,but when i wake up i am ridiculously aware of that smell.
ride horses.
violence as sad as it sounds.i have beaten many people up and killed a few.i knew what i wanted to do and did it very systematically.
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Hahaha @ andriod seems like we both have felt that similar connection to the whole...

I don't do drugs an barely drink BUT when a friend told me about his experiences doing saliva an then when I heard about DMT I began curious to explore it. Before, I could even attempt I was strongly advised not to do it because it would slow my progress doing it on my own AND since those type of drugs launch you from 0-60 it can take you anywhere. Worst case scenario, you have a traumatic experience but more commonly you end up experiencing something without any idea of whats going on.

Your experience was interesting especially the aspect about "fear, love, sex, hunger" no longer existing because my first experience of point consciousness sitting in the void was groundbreaking. It was like a fish realizing the existence of water, in this moment I understood that we as humans were actually hallicinating a physical experience. At first I was abit pissed an spent about a month questioning and challenging everything because I wanted it to be WRONG but as I went further I realized how much better this actually was. Consciousness is just a digital media that perceives the data and interprets it, our body is essentially a prop just like everything in this reality. This started taking my experiences to the next level because now when I launched into other realities I forgot 100% about this life. (One time I guess I was so into whatever was going on that when I cameback I had to take a minute to remember THIS reality as if I had amnesia)

Sabster: Lucid Dreaming & Astal Projection are very similar. Behind many of its cultural metaphors its essentially just changing the frequency of your "Consciousness" and getting a different data. However, lucid dreaming could be seen as you using your consciousness to create your own reality where you can experience and learn in. Astral Projection could be seen as you using your consciousness to enter different realities exactly like "earth", to a being in another reality EARTH REALITY seems mystical. Physical realtiy and non-physical reality is based on perspective. If you ever read "Astral Dynamics" by robert bruce he talks about the structure of the "Astral Plane" an he mentions a structure forget the exact structure but think of it as 7 dimensions, each dimension has many universes, in each universe has many planets, on those planets have different continents, different cities, towns, villages. Also what you said about drugs possibly an "Astral Projection" experience, yes. Drugs changes your perception so the data is different, this also explains people who are considered "Crazy" or having autism. Ever wonder why you see a crazy man on the train BUT he isn't really bothering anyone or going on a mass killing spree? His "Virtual Body" has a few kinks that causes the data to be perceived differently which creates a whole different reality. Quick example I once was playing around experimenting an somehow there was a bright green circle that I was seeing, when I opened my eyes that same green circle remained there for about 5mins. I could walk around an still see the green circle an I asked my brother if he see's anything but he couldn't.

Overall this whole area of consciousness is a touchy one which is why I tend to not talk about it because its a doorway that can't be closed once you opened it. You will be forced to face your own ignorance an it will be traumatic because you will have many deep changes. However, once you reach a certain point of understanding it becomes so much fun and its much better than NOT KNOWING and just keeping your head in the sand.

At the end of the day what I've got out of this in terms of LIFE is the understanding of the game and the ability to sorta use cheat codes to help optimize my lifetime package. The more I understand is the more ability I have to make the most out of this life...
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