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October 16th, 2017
Are Our Thoughts Really Ours?
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IvánPérez

IvánPérez

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What I see:

- People following blindly
- People not in charge of their mental state
- Non-critical thinking
- Confidence obtained via someone else's authority (I follow Thisguru's method, I support Churchill and whathaveyou)
- People basing their reality on those external things that give them that false sense of security
- People fearing themselves (and thus not trusting their authority)

This is making me think, a lot. I would like to here your thoughts on:
- The Illusion of Control, can we be really in control of our minds or is it like when a ex-smoker cheats on weekends and tells him/herself that he's in control?
- What is internal authority?
- If you don't seek external guidance (you can seek advice outside, though), what do you base your reality on (values, emotions, etc)?
- Why is easier to follow than to lead?
- How do you come to trust your authority? (asking powerful questions, standing on, going against the grain, developing a personal ego on purpose...)

Cheers guys, give it a thought.
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Some principles that have been getting me some success:
- When I'm out: it's me-time. I focus on expressing myself and doing what's fun for me, I don't care about girls. Self-absorbedness.
- 'It's all good, it's going to be fine, I am enough'. No worries or concerns. Let the dynamics work for me.
- Nobody is going to pull girls home for me. Self-image will stop you, take action regardless.
- Focus on finding a girl DTF vs. trying to game/arouse/whatever girl after girl.

IvánPérez.
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NewMan

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very interesting thread, i could sit and talk about this for DAYS

its like talking to a non-community guy about why he doesn't get the hot girls, he will never admit that there's possibly something wrong with his way of thinking, it could never be him, so they chose to ignore it, pretend
like it never existed, turn 25 and settle with some ugly girl for THE REEEEST OF YOUR LIFE. Wake up to next to that third rate girl, always wondering how things could have been different, feeling the need to cheat on her
with some stripper, get caught cheating when you have 3 kids, get divorced and pay child support for the rest of your life. Chodes will go through this instead of addressing the problem.

As for me i know that  I WILL NEVER SETTLE

why would you have kids, being fully incompetent of raising them to be mature adult men/women, why would you get married to a women, being a insecure man, with self-doubts, knowing that she will never really get to
experiance the you, you know you can be

as for the illusion of control...i think its definetly becoming a reality for some people. they cant stop eating the junk food. they go out and buy clothes when they're angry/depressed.

i know for me its hard to keep a continous exercise habit, even though i lost 20lbs in 1 years....it was doing minimal work....why dont we push ourselves to get that sixpack!?!

Expending that energy, we dont feel is worth the things that can come out of it...

those that push past that will reap the rewards...this is extremely evident on this forum

Why is it easier to follow than lead?

It comes down to who you feel entitled to be.
If you look to others to declare your sense of entitlement you will be an unhappy chode for all enternity.
I have friends who follow other guys around like baby ducks follow their moms



and i just wanna SCREAM DUDE STOP SUPLICATING THEYRE JUST USING YOU SNAP DA FUCK OUT OF IT THEY WONT BE YOUR FRIEND...but its no use they wont believe you...

All in favor of going to spend 30 days in a cabin in the middle of the forest like Henry David Thoreau, say I
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Superman2003

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great post man
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@ Superman2003 - DUDE, I have been going at it for a while now, meeting lots of guys in the community and nobody has as much core belief in themselves as you. In all seriousness you have the strongest core confidence I have ever been around. I was thinking about that.
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Halffull

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I come from the foundation that I make choices, and those choices are base on my own logic, instinct, and feelings.

From this foundation everything else becomes clear...
who's better authority to trust than what you've experienced and felt to be true? 
It doesn't matter if I have control, I still make choices... whether or not these choices were predestined, I'm still the one making them.
Internal authority is the ability to accept that you're the one making choices.

Your last question is still a tricky one...  if I accept that I make choices, based on my own faculties, that means I accept responsiblity for the consequences.  Like Stephen Covey says, you can't pick up one end of the stick without picking up the other.  Responsiblity is scary, but it's also exhilirating... it means you can shape the world the way you see fit.
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DjShorty89

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I've 'thought' about this a lot in the past, and wondered where my thoughts come from.

It seems to me that they come out of nowhere in the very same way that my heart beats, or that I breathe. That is to say, I think they're involuntary... control is therefore an illusion. Here's a better question.

Is the you, you think you are, just a thought?
If so, doesn't that mean thoughts just happen and there is no actual entity that thinks. This would mean you are an illusion...just a thought feedback loop.
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IvánPérez

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- The Illusion of Control, can we be really in control of our minds or
is it like when a ex-smoker cheats on weekends and tells him/herself
that he's in control?

I think EVERYONE of us, myself included, tell ourselves that we have some control. We need to feel in control to be sane, most of the time that control is delusional. For some people, that feeling of control has to grow (control-junkies) and they start acting paranoic IRL.


- What is internal authority?

Knowing that no one else knows you better than yourself and you know what's better for you. "Advertising has us chasing cars and clothes, working jobs we hate so we can buy sh!t we don't need." This is also true for other stuff, not just consumerism. For example (CAUTION, BIG MINDFUCK): why do you want to improve with women? Really, think about it, most people do it because they think that's their definition of success. When they have the emotional leverage it's true, but then they are at their level of success they keep telling themselves that they need to improve. That's RSDNation conditioning.

There are people who won't get into a LTR because that means stopping their improvements.

Thoughts?


- If you don't seek external guidance (you can seek advice outside,
though), what do you base your reality on (values, emotions, etc)?

For me: knowing your values, having your ideas clear and, ultimately, knowing what fuels you.


- Why is easier to follow than to lead?

If we follow and something goes wrong we always have someone or something to blame (a guru, a method, a lifestyle...). However, if we standout and we fail we are forced to accept than who we really are is a failure and we have to move on. It takes a lot of maturity to do that.


- How do you come to trust your authority? (asking powerful questions,
standing on, going against the grain, developing a personal ego on
purpose...)


Powerful questions: WHY?, what do I want?, what do I want to do?, what would I do if I died tomorrow?
Purposefully going against what you believe and seeing what happens.
Not throwing out possibilities without using our real criteria to choose.
Isolating ourselves from external influence from time to time (solitude)
Questioning how we think intensilly once a year, for example.

More thoughts, please.
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Some principles that have been getting me some success:
- When I'm out: it's me-time. I focus on expressing myself and doing what's fun for me, I don't care about girls. Self-absorbedness.
- 'It's all good, it's going to be fine, I am enough'. No worries or concerns. Let the dynamics work for me.
- Nobody is going to pull girls home for me. Self-image will stop you, take action regardless.
- Focus on finding a girl DTF vs. trying to game/arouse/whatever girl after girl.

IvánPérez.
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Koolaid

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Yes, it's definitely possible to have your thoughts be your own.
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http://www.rsdnation.com/node/138865

Life changing self-esteem article by Tyler
http://www.rsdnation.com/showthread.php?t=12471

Excellent post about practice and consistency by Ozzie. Really hits home.
http://www.rsdnation.com/showthread.php?t=13223

Field report thread.
http://rsdnation.com/node/127554
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IvánPérez

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Koolaid wrote:
Yes, it's definitely possible to have your thoughts be your own.
how and why?
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Some principles that have been getting me some success:
- When I'm out: it's me-time. I focus on expressing myself and doing what's fun for me, I don't care about girls. Self-absorbedness.
- 'It's all good, it's going to be fine, I am enough'. No worries or concerns. Let the dynamics work for me.
- Nobody is going to pull girls home for me. Self-image will stop you, take action regardless.
- Focus on finding a girl DTF vs. trying to game/arouse/whatever girl after girl.

IvánPérez.
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AÎM HÎGH

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Ha, I love these kind of topics...

 When the mind's eye rests on objects illuminated by truth and reality, it understands and comprehends them, and functions intelligently; but when it turns to the twilight world of change and decay, it can only form opinions, its vision is confused and its beliefs shifting, and it seems to lack intelligence. (Plato, Republic)

My opinion...it depends what the aim of your thoughts are!
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 "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit." - Aristotle
"That which is done out of love is always beyond good and evil" - Nietzsche
"It is better to do one's own duty, however defective it may be, than to follow the duty of another, however well one may perform it. He who does his duty as his own nature reveals it, never sins." - Lao Tzu
"Experience without theory is blind, but theory without experience is mere intellectual play." - Kant

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