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March 30th, 2017
The Ego - is it this bad thing we must get rid of ...
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Dulak

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Ive been thinking about this lately  ...

the ego isnt this big bad thing that we have and need to get rid of ... the ego is us - it is the combination of what we have taught our subconscious and is actually there to protect us and guide us
IMO instead of trying to banish this so called ego (which again is us) embrace whom we are and why it is speaking to us in this way ...

Ill give you an example - pretty girl is doing some shopping at the supermarket. Our inner core desires us to talk to her ... but then our ego in self preservation starts speaking about how we shouldnt and the longer we do not do what we desire and the more we want too - the higher the perceived value we give for this event ... the more our ego seeks to protect us from harm.

So what do we do? ... do we tell ourselves our ego is bad for trying to protect ourself? and look for ways to ignore it (ourself)
OR ... do we teach it (us) to start reacting differently to the world and to change our perceptions of the world.

Thus our ego starts to talk to us in motivating ways when we are given the opportunity to express our desires.

want a more specific example? ... (without getting into discussions about the following look at the example and how the ego deals with this):

I came to the conclusion recently that there are only 2 things in this world we can control - our perceptions and our expressions
With this being true - the artifical value of the event of; talking to the pretty girl in the supermarket, is not about if she will accept us but one of self expression and an opportunity to be whom we were meant to be.

where is the ego now? ... he is there smiling ... coaxing you to be - You
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Getupa

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 this is amazing.
well said.
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theuprising

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VisionsDivine wrote:




Dulak wrote:
Ive been thinking about this lately  ...

the ego isnt this big bad thing that we have and need to get rid of ... the ego is us -

I only read until here. Just to clarify the concepts in hand, when you do meditation you find out that you are not your ego.

You are your self esteem (different than confidence), your self esteem is your authentic will to take action and to decide things in life. You always have it.

However I believe that in this manner, ego can also be a positive thing because sometimes your self esteem may use your ego to achieve things you want in life. Which even though is pure Machiavellianism in action, it does produce the results.

An example of the results that you can achieve with this process is confidence, like confidence in speaking in public, approaching, investing, etc..
This, though you can use your ego to help you along the way I guess, changing its goals and priorities, so it pushes you towards action. But yeah the ideal is to cut out as much of the ego as possible when its unneeded (when you no longer need protection from life threatening situations, ie. most social situations). Remember you have an ego and you have a mind, but YOU are neither (if you are a spiritual nut, then in a weird way you are, because you are essentially everything and everything is an expression of you)
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Janbert

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 Ego has it's benefits, I suppose, but it's not like you need ego for anything.

At least when ego starts talking shit about you, you better give it a timeout.
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The ego is a metaphor for something we don't quite understand about the margin between conscious thoughts and the subconscious.  Consciousness and the subconscious are also, in turn, metaphors for processes we don't fully understand.  We cannot see consciousness vs. subconscious on an MRI.  We do have evidence through hundreds of years of psychological inquiry that the subconscious, conscious, ego, etc., all these symbols exist.  But there is no direct scientific way to observe those parts separate from the other parts, like the liver or the kidneys or substructures within those organs.

So, what I'm saying, is that we have our understandings.  BUT, they are metaphors.  And because of this, there is nothing that we could kill or get rid of, even if we thought we could.  Just as I cannot remove my duodenal anticuspid.  We don't have duodenal anticuspids to remove.

So take these metaphors, and your realizations, with a grain of salt.  They are good realizations, but they have limitations on their explanatory power.
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Francisco dAnconia

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Themodernmystic genius talked about the ego yesterday:



 


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Koolaid

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Er according to your definitions what's the difference between ego and your mind then?
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Tyler

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Nobody ever said to get rid of the go.  Don't IDENTIFY with the ego -- ie: believe that your AUTOPILOT THOUGHTS are YOU.  This allows you to avoid issues like approach anxiety, fishing for validation, etc.

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Eckhart Tolle wrote:
“One day I will be free of the ego.” Who is talking? The ego. To become free of the ego is not really a big job but a very small one. All you need to do is be aware of your thoughts and emotions – as they happen. This is not really a “doing,” but an alert “seeing.” In that sense, it is true that there is nothing you can do to become free of the ego.
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Given the choice, I'd prefer to keep my ego! 

Sure.....being present can anchor you in a big storm........but then your not really moving anywhere! 

If you can bring your ego in harmony with being present, then you essentially have some control of what direction you would like to go. Or to use another metaphor, you stop being the builder and become the architect!
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Tyler wrote:
Nobody ever said to get rid of the go.  Don't IDENTIFY with the ego -- ie: believe that your AUTOPILOT THOUGHTS are YOU.  This allows you to avoid issues like approach anxiety, fishing for validation, etc.

Tyler

Tyler, who is this you that is seperate from the auto pilot thoughts?

Is it also created out of thought?

And if it is, then is it not also conditioned?

For example if one has the thought "I must not talk to her because she might reject me" and then you say "wait, that was my auto pilot response, i don't want to listen to that, i will talk to her anyway" - is that not just another auto pilot response, which has stemed from watching PUA videos?

If this is so, then they are actually the same process that is going on in the brain - that is, judging a situation.

Now one may come up with more "motivating" judgements for a given situation - but if we are really concerned with being free from conditioning - it seems like taking the road of having a "better" perception is simply a modified form of conditioning - and therefore will never allow one to see things as they truly are.

Therefore, my question is that to be truly present, wouldn't the mind have to be completely silent, and therefore the judger, the analyser, the one who says "i'm not going to identify with my autopilot responses" - must cease to be?
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