THE FORUMS
This might help with some of the shit flying around here lately... Keep your eye on the ball, dudes. FUCK FIRST, then deal with all the other crap.
Yup. Whole different dynamic post-sex 
Totally agree man.
1st, 2nd or 3rd date should be sex, otherwise you are indeed doing something wrong.
Sometimes it actually pays off not fucking on day1 and postponing it, this is imo the best way to set up a FB or GF attitude.
1st, 2nd or 3rd date should be sex, otherwise you are indeed doing something wrong.
Sometimes it actually pays off not fucking on day1 and postponing it, this is imo the best way to set up a FB or GF attitude.
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1. Fuck
2. Get to know
3. Take for supper and never hear from her again....
2. Get to know
3. Take for supper and never hear from her again....
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Awesome thread. 
+1
+1 
I'm bumping this old thing because more than just what I wrote, it has some good stuff in it by other people. If you haven't, please read the entire thing.
The original thread has a back-and-forth between me and some other guy who isn't here anymore, and I'm sad that the whole conflict was chopped out of it, because it shows how full-on RESISTANT people can be to these concepts. Man this guy wanted to decapitate my mother; he was so livid and insistent that getting to know a girl is the MAIN point and that fucking is a by-product of that effort.
Because it's not like the mantra "Fuck then get to know" is perfectly in line with our society's warped sense of values! It's totally countercultural to everything we are taught to believe about cherishing women, building relationships, hell even the sanctity of sex itself. Driving hard toward fucking at the earliest possible point makes most people feel all "eeeeewwwwww" inside. Like, what are we? a bunch of fucking MONKEYS?!?!?!
Well, yes. And my EXPERIENCE and the experiences of a LOT OF OTHER GUYS I'VE TALKED WITH ABOUT THIS FOR YEARS, tells me that the spirit of this thread is correct. If you want results.
If you want to be normal in society, or just a flavor of normal, ignore this advice. If you want to fuck lots of girls and HAVE YOUR PICK FROM AMONG THEM, then you're going to have to adopt an attitude something like what's written here. You can come up with your own catchy phrase for it. But the attitudes are all similar, to flip the value equation on its head. You stop cherishing too soon, starting acting like a monkey, and then let the acculturated human being seep back in.
That is, if you want to be in charge. If you want to remain passive, that's your fucking choice.
The original thread has a back-and-forth between me and some other guy who isn't here anymore, and I'm sad that the whole conflict was chopped out of it, because it shows how full-on RESISTANT people can be to these concepts. Man this guy wanted to decapitate my mother; he was so livid and insistent that getting to know a girl is the MAIN point and that fucking is a by-product of that effort.
Because it's not like the mantra "Fuck then get to know" is perfectly in line with our society's warped sense of values! It's totally countercultural to everything we are taught to believe about cherishing women, building relationships, hell even the sanctity of sex itself. Driving hard toward fucking at the earliest possible point makes most people feel all "eeeeewwwwww" inside. Like, what are we? a bunch of fucking MONKEYS?!?!?!
Well, yes. And my EXPERIENCE and the experiences of a LOT OF OTHER GUYS I'VE TALKED WITH ABOUT THIS FOR YEARS, tells me that the spirit of this thread is correct. If you want results.
If you want to be normal in society, or just a flavor of normal, ignore this advice. If you want to fuck lots of girls and HAVE YOUR PICK FROM AMONG THEM, then you're going to have to adopt an attitude something like what's written here. You can come up with your own catchy phrase for it. But the attitudes are all similar, to flip the value equation on its head. You stop cherishing too soon, starting acting like a monkey, and then let the acculturated human being seep back in.
That is, if you want to be in charge. If you want to remain passive, that's your fucking choice.
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The only people for me are the mad ones,
the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk,
mad to be saved, desirous of everything
at the same time, the ones who never yawn
or say a commonplace thing, but
burn, burn, burn,
like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding
like spiders ac r o s s the stars.
-Kerouac
The only people for me are the mad ones,
the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk,
mad to be saved, desirous of everything
at the same time, the ones who never yawn
or say a commonplace thing, but
burn, burn, burn,
like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding
like spiders ac r o s s the stars.
-Kerouac
There is a MAJOR problem with this. First of all it's 100% correct. But it's leaving out the reality of MEN. Doesn't even mention it. For 2 million years 20% of women died during childbirth. The risks of fucking are life and death. The little 60 year exception where rubbers exist and compulsive little boys are allowed ( totally against nature ) to fuck and have families isn't included in the formula. The whole "get to know" part, front middle and back end is totally wrong. Women are generally fucking in a compulsive deal...tribal dynamics are GONE. Community. Mentoring. Balance. Empathy. Sexuality. Masculinity. Fuck first doesn't give a RATS ASS about that.
Fuck first is true...if a man loaded with character. Getting to know "one on one" cut away from the tribe doesn't work at any level. Well. If we're talking compulsion and isolation as what a man is, fuck first works. Because the "getting to know" is BULLSHIT. Call it what it is.
Fuck first is true...if a man loaded with character. Getting to know "one on one" cut away from the tribe doesn't work at any level. Well. If we're talking compulsion and isolation as what a man is, fuck first works. Because the "getting to know" is BULLSHIT. Call it what it is.
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- African Proverb
- African Proverb
There is a MAJOR problem with this. First of all it's 100% correct. But it's leaving out the reality of MEN. Doesn't even mention it.
I didn't leave anything out:"Women, for their part, also have as a huge portion of their innermost fantasies a tendency towards being "swept off their feet." By a guy who says very little and rips her fucking clothes off and ravishes her. Guys fantasize, typically, about being that aggressor."
That is the reality of being a man, distilled down into its essence. Being the aggressor. But a true, solid and wise man knows how to channel it into controlled aggression as an expression of his man-ness..
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The only people for me are the mad ones,
the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk,
mad to be saved, desirous of everything
at the same time, the ones who never yawn
or say a commonplace thing, but
burn, burn, burn,
like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding
like spiders ac r o s s the stars.
-Kerouac
The only people for me are the mad ones,
the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk,
mad to be saved, desirous of everything
at the same time, the ones who never yawn
or say a commonplace thing, but
burn, burn, burn,
like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding
like spiders ac r o s s the stars.
-Kerouac
actually i have this fantasy.. ok, it's like I'm the captain of a space ship and we're traversing the universe and all of a sudden we get into this spaceship dog fight with a mysterious vessel. The vessel is like waaay better than ours and we're about to be blasted into space and then a voice comes over the voice thing that they have on spaceships in sci fi films/carttons, and it says - "we will let you live if you hand over your captain!"
So, me being the brave captain, allow myself to be captures by the spaceship, and i'm teleported on board and it turns out that the enemy spaceship is controlled by a race of women. So they chain me up and take me to their dungeon *gulp*.
In their dungeon i'm tired to a pole with my hands above my head stripped totally naked. Then these women come start massaging me and oiling me up *blush*. Of course my penis gets hard and these three women start paying special attention to it. Well, you can imagine what happens! Over the course of a month these women use me as their private sex toy and i'm helpless to do anything about it! gosh!
Also - felching
So, me being the brave captain, allow myself to be captures by the spaceship, and i'm teleported on board and it turns out that the enemy spaceship is controlled by a race of women. So they chain me up and take me to their dungeon *gulp*.
In their dungeon i'm tired to a pole with my hands above my head stripped totally naked. Then these women come start massaging me and oiling me up *blush*. Of course my penis gets hard and these three women start paying special attention to it. Well, you can imagine what happens! Over the course of a month these women use me as their private sex toy and i'm helpless to do anything about it! gosh!
Also - felching
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Hai!!!
Haha. Reminds me of the movie Sex and Zen.
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The only people for me are the mad ones,
the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk,
mad to be saved, desirous of everything
at the same time, the ones who never yawn
or say a commonplace thing, but
burn, burn, burn,
like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding
like spiders ac r o s s the stars.
-Kerouac
The only people for me are the mad ones,
the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk,
mad to be saved, desirous of everything
at the same time, the ones who never yawn
or say a commonplace thing, but
burn, burn, burn,
like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding
like spiders ac r o s s the stars.
-Kerouac
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The only people for me are the mad ones,
the ones who are mad to live, mad to talk,
mad to be saved, desirous of everything
at the same time, the ones who never yawn
or say a commonplace thing, but
burn, burn, burn,
like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding
like spiders ac r o s s the stars.
-Kerouac