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May 21st, 2013
1. Fuck 2. Get to know
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FoodBuddha~

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I wanted to mention something that only became clear the further I developed myself.  Dates are not for getting to know the girl.  A lot of guys get stuck in this trap, and I've spent my fair share of life believing this bullshit.  This whole mystique around getting comfortable, "comfort game", etc etc, as if the GOAL is to get to know her so that she'll fuck you as a result.

This is precisely backwards.

Dates are for fucking.  If you can't do it on the first meeting, you do it on the second.  If you can't manage it on the second, you go for it on the third.  If you can't do it on the third, you're probably doing something wrong and you need to decide to keep trying or try someone else or something else....  But none of it should have the goal as "getting to know her."  

Getting to know her will happen as a natural result of fucking her.  There is no try.  Fuck first, questions later.

Think of your deepest fantasies.  Do they include long drawn out conversations and an incredibly rich tapestry of verbal commingling and sharing?  Right, didn't think so.  I bet that most of your deepest fantasies revolve around sex, good hard fucking.  And your best sexual dreams revolve around epic escapades with a flavor of "suddenness" where you find yourself surprise, inside a hot girl bareback.  Women, for their part, also have as a huge portion of their innermost fantasies a tendency towards being "swept off their feet."  By a guy who says very little and rips her fucking clothes off and ravishes her.  Guys fantasize, typically, about being that aggressor.

The non-verbal component is what is at play here.  Not the talk.  Not the connecting.  Not the relationship.   All of that comes later, and it is the result of fucking.  All the comfort and connection is wonderful.  Don't get me wrong.  It is something to strive for... eventually.  It's really good good stuff when you find someone worthy to share it with.

If fucking is not your first goal, you are going to have a hell of a time getting good results for yourself.  
When the priorities are straight, it's
1. Fuck
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Pilgrimage2012

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yeah i find it so much easier to connect with a girl AFTER i fucked her. and right after fucking is the best, you just chill and enjoy the afterfuck glow. total relaxation, satisfaction. no need to say anything and at the same time you can talk about everything (especially when you just did things so intimate to her even her exboyfriends never dared). its the perfect vibe and i had some of the best and intimate connections right after fucking (she knows what you say is real now, she can be sure now its not about impressing her to get her into bed hehe). and you just made her really happy, your value is higher than ever.

(--> all this only if the chemistry in bed works out together, but thats a must to stay interested in a girl anyway, so its good to find that out as soon as possible)
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I agree Buddha but what do you do on dates that move things forward.having a drinking, rock climbing, water polo.  is that not getting to know the girl?
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Steve-0! wrote:
I agree Buddha but what do you do on dates that move things forward.having a drinking, rock climbing, water polo.  is that not getting to know the girl?
he is not saying you cant or shouldnt...he is just saying its easier after sex

But at the same time, getting to know a girl can lead to better sex
PROVIDED you are genuienly intrested in getting to know her and are not doing it because you wanna bang, as she will trust you more etc blah blah

If you wanna bang......banag
If you want to get to know the girl...then get to know her
its as simple as that
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+1

I can't remember who said it, but it's so true ---> "you'll never truly know a girl until after you've fucked her."

Some girls change into completely different animals after sex - some get clingy, some get distant, some get very sweet and kind, some get vulnerable, etc...

Girls I thought I knew and had spent a lot of time with revealed their bitchy sides after we fucked, others dropped their guard and became a lot more loving/relaxed... too many examples to even think of how things can change after sex. I'm not saying that there's always some drastic change, but everything seems a lot more real after sex. It's almost like the relationship/connection is more mature and genuine.

I used to think it had nothing to do with sex, because it was hard for me to accept that the girls I had been on tons of dates with and spent hours and hours talking to were less authentic with me than the 'badass' guys that they were having sex with. 3+ years ago I was the epitome of friend zone/comfort/connection with girls before ANYTHING, even making out, and so I really noticed (and appreciated) the different type of connection that I now share with girls after sex.

These days I connect/communicate authentically VERY quickly with girls, and I have a similar mindset to brad's 'I fall in love with every girl' mentality.. That being said, sex is a prerequisite to putting in the time/effort to getting to know a girl, because it's such a big part of truly knowing a girl.
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Not to go off on a tangent but you're dead on Souten...

Last girl I banged defriended me from facebook, blocked me from gchat, and stopped responding to me lol.  Girls are crazy.
Souteneur wrote:
+1

I can't remember who said it, but it's so true ---> "you'll never truly know a girl until after you've fucked her."

Some girls change into completely different animals after sex - some get clingy, some get distant, some get very sweet and kind, some get vulnerable, etc...

Girls I thought I knew and had spent a lot of time with revealed their bitchy sides after we fucked, others dropped their guard and became a lot more loving/relaxed... too many examples to even think of how things can change after sex. I'm not saying that there's always some drastic change, but everything seems a lot more real after sex. It's almost like the relationship/connection is more mature and genuine.

I used to think it had nothing to do with sex, because it was hard to realize that the girls I had been on tons of dates with and spent hours and hours talking to were less authentic with me than the 'badass' guys that they were having sex with. 3+ years ago I was the epitome of friend zone/comfort before ANYTHING, even making out, and so I really noticed (and appreciated) the different type of connection that we shared after sex.


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Souteneur wrote:
+1

I can't remember who said it, but it's so true ---> "you'll never truly know a girl until after you've fucked her."
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Also its really easy for most guys to get to know a girl after sex because their empathy bubbles to the surface of their communication.....they have no alterior motive to get know her after they shag her and so the girl usually has all her defences down and lets you in when you knock (ohh look at me with my metaphors....i.e when you get to know her after sex she KNOWS its authentic)
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I wrote a girl a facebook message today (yeah I know, lame, but the only way to continue the banter). And I noticed... That I had no interest whatsoever in asking her questions about her life. And, TADAA, I didn't feel bad about it!

Because if I'm honest, it's not important to me at this point. Why am I writing her? Because it's a fun thing to do. Why is it a fun thing? Because it allows me to revive the great vibe we had the evening we met.
AND: She, too, has absolutely no benefit from me asking her these questions. She knows me because of our banter and making out, she is attracted to me because of that, why should I suddenly change that?

There is one reason, and it's fear. Fear "ooh it's daytime now, I have to behave more serious and I have to care for her more serious sides. Because only then she will allow me to fuck her."....what a nonsense. Why should I drop out of a game that's fun for me and her.
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Steve-0! wrote:
I agree Buddha but what do you do on dates that move things forward.having a drinking, rock climbing, water polo.  is that not getting to know the girl?
Right, I'm not saying you can't do these things.  Dude, do them, do whatever you want, whatever turns you on.  What I am saying is always keep in mind your priorities.  Is your priority to learn to rock climb?  If so, then DO IT.  But don't think rock climbing is going to get you laid.  Don't think that rock climbing is going to help you get to know a girl.

So take rock climbing out of the equation.  What is the purpose of your first or second meeting with a new chick?  To make an intellectual connection?  You can go to Borders for an intellectual connection with a barrista.  I'm saying, unwire that tendency that our culture has so ingrained in us, movies, the way we are brought up to respect chicks and serve up our balls on a platter, etc... fuck all that.  That complicates things so much, when the reality is farrrrrrr simpler.  Your goal when you're with a girl that turns you on is extremely simple.  Recognize it:

1. Fuck

and THEN

2 Get to know her
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burn, burn, burn,
like fabulous yellow roman candles exploding
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