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ValentineS

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Ok, time to write my ass off. I took quite a long break from the forum, but it's time to get back. Why? Cuz shit started to get nasty.

Good news is that I finally "arrived". I finally can get some "special attention" from girls. Meaning that they (and me too) finally see me as a sexworthy attractive guy.
Bad news is that I rarely approach. Plus, because I've met a lot of people during my "Madventures" I kinda started to feel social pressure again (cause the city I live in is kinda small, there are a lot of familiar faces).

So I think it's time to get back on track and get my gears moving. In other words I wanna get "chode" again. Because in my chode times I was the most active. I had nothing to lose. I want to get this groove back.

Now, enough with this, time to get down to business and start posting FR's. I'll start with the latest one.

Saturday / 13 February / 2010

Valentine's day party! Woo! This evening I went down to my buddies place, to play some poker. Long story short I won the tournament and got myself a bunch of cash to spend for the night. Happy times ;)
While I was on Facebook, an old female aquaintance of mine chatted me up. She's a one hot cookie. She asked me if I was going out, and said that she had no friends to go out with, so she thought about me. How sweet. I told her that usually I don't take girls to club, but since she were so nice to me, I would make an exception.

Anyway, I met her at a club. Straight up firm hug. Walked around with her, leading constantly. I probably said "let's go" 15 times diring the night. Anyway, everything was cool. I had some friends at the club, she had hers. We met all of them. Sometimes we got separated. I chatted up some random chicks. Pimped some of them to my buddies. All good.

From time to time I was looking for my girl, danced with her, waked around, hit the bar. She were doing lot's of little girlie things for me, like backing up her cute little butt on me. Grinding me on the dancefloor. She even cupped my dick once ;) Hawt shit.
Didn't kiss her tho. Don't think that I pussied around, no. I was building anticipation. I thought that club makeout with her wouldn't be such a good idea, so I decided to leave it for sex-timezz. Other then that, the whole interaction was very physical. I was carrying her around the dancefloor over my shoulder "caveman style". Lifting her up the air a lot. Teasing her with the eskimo-kiss. Stealing her from her friends. etc. All and all we had some MASSIVE fun. It was great.

When it was close to pul i started mentioning that I'm hungry and bored with the club, and that we should leave to get some hot-dogs. She were down to it, eventually. So we left the club together. Went to local 24h store and I bought a piece of cheese cake, which I shared with her .. while having a fight over the big piece.

Now, logistically I was up to go to her place, because my place wasn't an option. It was a total mess, plus I have an occasional roomie who I give a hand to, cause he has trouble finding a place to live this month. Anyway, I knew she were living alone, so I was up for her place. But it turned out that she moved to other area and now living with her friend at the same room, before she's able to find herself a separate appartement. DAMN! So I had nowhere to pull. Even tho she were totally ready for it.

So we get to the bus stop and here comes her bus. But we still have some time before it leaves, so she lights up a cigarette (note: I'm a non smoker and I don't like this shit, I hate the smell, I find it extremely disguisting). While we were clubbing she were smoking once, and I let her know that I find it lame. Anyway, she smokes her ciggie before the bus, turns around to me and looks at me with those "kiss me" eyes. I kinda go in a little but then this smell hits me, and I have an instant "Ewww!" inside. I just can't do it. I tell her: "Naaaah, no kiss for you" and let her go untill better times. 

Next thing you know, she turns into a raging :) Tells me that I'm not a man and throws numerous insults .. whatever, she loves me :)

Classic :)

All and all, I could play this "smoking incident" a lot smoother. But I also got clear standards towards what I tap. So maybe it's a good thing it didn't turn out to be that way.

Also I got pretty reactive towards her insults, it kinda caught me off guard. And I somehow got very emotionally invested in all that shit and tried to fix it .. which resulted in me felling like crap and obsessing over this whole situation for a day or so.
Plus all that got me thinking that I invest too much in all that pickup stuff because I got nothing else going on in my life, except lots of sports. I don't work or study for now. I should consider starting a business of some sort. But that's whole another topic.

Anyway it's time to move on. So yeah. Let's see where the next weekend brings me.

Peace.
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 Saturday / 6 March / 2010

Out solo

Not long ago my phone got broken and I still haven't recieved the new one. So today I ended up in the club solo, accidentally because I was late for my metro and couldn't catch up with guys I was planning to go out with. So, whatever, I hit Tiger solo.

The night was quite slow and I was pretty low energy myself. I entered the club's elevator with couple of good loking girls, had a small talk with them, nothing special. I went in, made a round looking for my friends, didn't find anybody and understood that it's time to approach because otherwhise I would just circle the venue pointlessly and get in my head. Happily for me I found a couple of my old female aquaintances and stuck with them, because the venue wasn't that full yet. I hanged around with them a little. Untill they decided to use the bathroom. I used this moment to go get myself some water. However I saw some familiar face with blond curly hair and opened.

A Tourist Set
Turned out I didn't know this girl, but that wasn't a problem.
I introduced myself, we had some fun chit-chat, laughed a bit, bla bla bla.
They decided to go to VIP. I clawed one of them and just walked by the bouncer. Easy.
It always works with hot chicks, bouncers rarely question them and people with them, so I got in, didn't even have to get myself stamped it was enough to look bouncer in the eye and have his nod of approval. He remembered me. Good.
I hang around with those chicks for a while. They're both hot. They tell me I'm fun. Yes I am.
I wasn't in a sexual state by that time so I escalated kinda slow but steady.
I tried to stick with this set as long as possible and go as far as possible, but my escalation wasn't sexual enough, I was more in a friendly-social vibe.
Long story short I kinda felt that this set wasn't going anywhere, mostly because I started to escalate on the wrong chick. I liked the other one more, but chickened out and was trying to get what I could, rather then what I really wanted.
That what actually kinda fucked this set up. They felt it and stopped responding to my kino. Totally. Both of them. I tried to escalate some more but the vibe at that point became too try-hard on my side so I decided to wonder off. And maybe reopen them later, when I'm more into sexual mood. It never happened.

Pros: Opened good, fun vibe, relaxed, got myself a VIP access for the night.
Cons: Chickened to go for a chick I like and risk the other one.


Photo set
There was a guy in the club who was taking pictures of different chicks. I saw him on the staircase taking pictures of 2 hotties. Instead of passing by I clawed both of them and we made couple of pictures together.
I asked their names. Bla bla. Escalate on one of them. It's ON.
Suddenly some black guy comes into set and tries to drag them away. I try to tool the guy it worked, but I couldn't blow him off completelly - he was quite persistantm which got me kinda reactive a bit. He tried to pull both of them on the dancefloor, but was too grabby and creeped the shit out of them, so they ran away. Lately the chick I was into told me she had a boyfriend. Didn't believe her tho, but it didn't go anywhere either.
Shit, I rarely have guys fucking with my sets, but this times I get that more and more. I should step up my AMOG game next time and just be rentless on those fuckers trying to mess with my game. I'm too nice to them.

Pros: opened like candy, got physical fast
Cons: didn't handle the guy properly, should ramp up the amog game


Rebound set (mixed set)
After the previous 2-set of chicks ran away, I turned around and saw another one. Didn't think much, straight approached.
Got a little token resistance, but plowed easy. Little chit-chat. One chick in the set VERY HOT. Others OK. I chat up one of the OK girls. Some of her friends dragged me in the middle of the set, because they wanted to make a photo with me. So we did. Me and 4 random chicks. Pretty fun.
One of those couldn't resist but go extremely touchy feely on me. This was a bit weird tho. But, I'm quite in a good physical shape this days, so she just couldn't handle herself, can't blame her on that.
Whatever .. I made a bad mistake tho, I started with the dynamics of ignoring the hot chick and making friends with her peers, but once she sat near me I couldn't handle myself and escalated on her. Long story short the whole set understood what I was there for and the whole tension evaporated. They saw me hitting on the hot one and dragged her away from me. I became instantly "one of those guys" for them (you know what I'm talking about).


Taxi Driver Girl
By this time I got pretty tired. But decided that I would hang around some more and open more sets, because simply there was nothing else to do.
I open a cute girl who had a cool cap, like the ones Taxi Drivers in russia like to wear. It turned out that girl had quite a nice personality, it instantly caught me.
We spent about 20 minutes with her chatting. I met her friends, one of them were a bit drunk and obviously were leaning on me on every possible occasion.
She were into me, but I already commited to the Taxi Girl and since they were friends I could escalate on her friend later.
Long story short, we had a nice chit-chat, and I took her contacts (which I do quite rarely, but she were a nice and friendly girl and had some nice and cute friends) and decided to keep her as a friend for now.


Curly
On my way out of club I was that girl who tried to hit on me dozen of times, but I was quite standoffish.
But this time she were smiling at me like crazy and I was in a good mood so I smiled back at her. She sticked like glue to me after that.
I had 5 minutes before I had to leave, so I decided to rapidly escalate on her.

- What are you doing after?
- Going to an afterparty
- Naaah, I can't handle afterparty now
- I don't think I can either, but there's nothing else to do
- Leave with me
- ...... *looking me right in the eye, very hesitant*
- .......*holding my composure*
- What for?
- I'll get you a star from the skies
- Is that what they call it now?
- You're so silly
- No I'm not going with you

*I grab her, pulle her in the air, carry her till the nearest wall, press her against it*

- Let's go with me
- No! What are you doing?
- *running my hands over her body*
- Look, you're crazy, I'm not going with you
- Yes, I'm crazy .. for you .. let's go
- No! *she walks away*

At this point I decided to let her go and became standoffish again.
I didn't have time to plow through that resistance because my last bus was running soon.

Pros: very physical
Cons: none really


Overall:
The night was ok. Made bunch of friends, met bunch of girls. Was constantly approaching. Everytime in set. Was out SOLO which is fucking rare and unusuall for me. I handled it pretty well.
Bad thing is that I had not so much excitement about what was going on. My sexual state was very low and I wasn't really feeling it. However kept taking action, which is good.
This night was more about making friends and socializing, plus being comfortable while solo.
All and all I managed pretty well.
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you can never really quit the game ;-)
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 Yeah, but taking a break is good. It's like getting recovery after the gym.

Nice to see you dude!
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 Friday / 12 February / 2010

Kinda weird night, but kinda fun aswell. 100% sober (usually I get 2-3 drinks .. not this time .. and I plan to keep it up).

I started out at Huuma, a renewed venue. Never been there before. The venue consists of dozens of drunk youngsters, like 18-19yo. Honestly I totally felt like in high school or something.

Long story short, I went in, opened a first set in the line, chatted up, all nice. Went to find some buddies of mine. Hanged out with them for a while, opened couple of sets near by, didn't really go anywhere cause I wasn't really interested. However the first set of the night had this young petit girl I was into. Kinda funny but she totally got into me, I was constatnly looking around for her and her friend and then I actually found them .. here's what happened:

I reopen her and her friend, lead them to the bar to get some drinks, while there, her friend got all over me, constantly demanding for my attention, asking me questions and all that, while she were doing that, some random dude approached my girl. No biggie, I didn't feel the need to blow him off, cause he was a bit chodey and would just bail sooner or later, so I decided to "shadowlord" this one. Once those chicks got their drinks they went to the dancefloor, I didn't really feel like it, so I stayed to chat with my buddy.

Then, I don't remember why in particular, but I got so much in my head it was crazy. I didn't know what to do. I just couldn't do shit. I sat on the couch and was just there thinking to myself: "This is chode, I'm a pussy, wtf, I need to do something, I need to break out of this, etc". I was going a downward spiral, my state was dropping as low as it could. I couldn't bare it any more, I stood up and started running circles around the bar with my hands up shouting. lol. IT HELPED! This was fucking ridiculous what I did. But it helped! Most importantly I saw that people just DON'T GIVE A FUCK. Nobody actually cared WTF was going on, I mean all this: "all eyes on me" is SO in my head, it's ridiculous. In reality, nobody gives a fuck, so why should I?
Anyway, it didn't last for long tho, because instead of going for a set of girls I came back to my buddies and chode-crystalized.

After a while I broke away from the chode-crystal and went to look for my hottie from the first set. I found them. Didn't go anywhere, I was pussying around, didn't know what to say, didn't know what I wanted .. in other words - totally choded the fuck out of myself.

I tried to open more sets, but couldn't hook anything .. all those young chicks were like ADD on steroids .. always running somewhere.

I decided to venue change and go to Tiger, where people of my age hang out (they are way more laid back there). That was a good idea, because that's where it all started.

I came in, chatted up the bouncer, greeted a manager who is a guy I made friends while partying, hit the bathroom and saw a hottie on the dancefloor.

Married chick with no ring
I go in simple and direct "Hey, what's up, you're cute, let's go have a chat" and try to pull her from the dancefloor. She says she's married and her husband is there, I don't believe her because she has no ring on the finger. So I decide to check if its true. I made a gesture like I'm trying to put my hands on her while she's backing up (that was a risky move, but I had to make sure) and I see an angry dude coming towards our side quite fast. Turned out she wasn't shitting me :) Well, I just smile at the dude, tell him: "Oops, sorry dude, I get it, my bad" apologise to the girl, shake dudes hand and take off. Easy shit.
I mean, do you fear that you can get your ass kicked in the club? I did. And that's actually bullshit. Nobody want's to fight, you can easily talk yourself out of the situation, just don't be a dumbass.

So then I go upstairs and open the first set I see, the girl is nice, but not cute enough. Some dude takes a picture of us, whatever .. I turn around and see this beautifull brunette with a grim on her face. I kinda tease her about her grim and she lightens up, I go in and open. She's a russian girl. A tourist. She's leaving tomorrow. I decide to ditch her. Then I open another girl. Glorious blondie, tall, awesome fit. Just the way I like it. Also russian, also tourist. Later it turned out she were from the same set :) Whatever, had to ditch her too. Bad logistic is a bad logistic.

Went to the bar, opened another couple of chicks. Ha ha, Russian again :) tourist again, but this time from another city. They were with some dudes tho.. but I chatted with them while getting myself some water.

Then I turn to some corner and there's a set of 3 girls. All of them are fucking hot. I just go in with no hesitation. Chat them up, but they're standoffish. I plow through, stick with the set as long as I can, but no go. It just doesn't stick. They tell me it's their girls night out and that they don't want to chat to guys or whatever. Despite that I was pretty physical from the get go one girl was pretty receptive to me, but her friends didn't approve this and dragged her away to the bar. This was quite a difficult set tho. They were ignoring me big time .. all of them, like I was some beggar or something (that's what finnish chicks do here, they just ignore you, like you don't even exist). Didn't affect me at all tho. I didn't gave a fuck about the outcome, all I cared about is that I did my best there and didn't hold anything back.

As soon as they took off I opened another one with a claw.

- Hey
- Hey
- How's going?
- It's alright
- What are you doing after?
- Going home
- Wanna go home with me?
- *looks at me* ... no
- Fair enough
- That's the worst pickup-line ever .. don't use it, it will never work
- I don't care. I did it purely for my own amusement .. *and proceed with a normal conversation, which doesn't really go anywhere*

She were kinda cute, but I wasn't really excited, besides she wasn't really having fun herself .. just another boring chick.

She made some eye code to her friend, probably told her that I'm some weirdo or something, cause the fridn gave me that weird look. Whatever, I plowed through that look untill she started asking me questions.
I found out that talking to a friend was way more interesting rather then a chick I initially approached. We kinda started talking about pickup in general. She turned out to be married chick, but kinda cool anyway.
She told me shit like: "Finnish chicks want either dick, either straight up marriage" .. this cracked me up, cause I though it was fucking retarded :)
She were asking me shit about her friend, like: "Are you really able to appreciate this girl?" I mean this was quite a kick ass question. I looked at her friend, and thought to myself "HELL NO!". I mean what I saw was a boring chick, with no smile on her face, looking at me like I'm another chode or something. That moment it became 100% clear to me that I picked a wrong girl. So I answered back: "Look at her, she doesn't even give me a chance to appreciate her". So she starts to qualify her to me: "No, but she's a very nice person, she's just not looking for anything tonight". Whatever, I give that chick one more glaze, nothing, she doesnt excite me at all. This was just a "technical approach" so to speak, I had nothing better to do in club anyway. So I ditch them and decide that it's over.

Some thoughts

Today some weird shit clicked in my head. I kind of realized that I'm all alone in this. I mean there's no support. At all. I mean I like very hot girls and every time I try to have my buddies to help me out in the set, they never do. Never. Since my friend I used to wing with went exchanged abroad, nobody wants to wing with me. Besides I found out that I do better alone. I don't chode-crystalize when I'm alone. I force myself to approach more when I'm alone. The whole dynamic is up to me when I'm alone. The only downside of it is that it's harder to isolate for me now. Especially when I'm in 2-sets. I have to figure something out. RIght now I think that I can just tell a friend of my target that I like her and try to get support. Just kike that: "I like your friend, it seems like we have something together, I want to spend some time with her" and see what's up. I bet they're gonna be cool with it.

Also, today I found myself talking too much. I just kinda mingle from set to set, talk talk talk .. no intent really. I'm fucking stuck in the conversation land. I mean I like to be all social and shit, but it seems like it doesn't get me anywhere. I feel that chicks just go like: "Oh, he's a fun social guy, but it doesn't seem like he actually likes me". I should mix up my approaches with more intent. And totally ramp up my kino. I'm just not fucking horny enough!

After my last approach something hit me. Especially when a girl asked me: "Can you really appreciate this girl?". I mean, fuck, I just don't. She were just another to me. I honestly didn't give a fuck. It's just like: "Whatever, just another set". Something is really off here.
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 More thoughts:

Yesterday, regardless of no pull I was driving home in a bus feeling quite good. And it kinda struck me. Putting yourself out there actually feels pretty good regardless of the outcome.
You can get blown off, shut down or whatever .. but it doesn't really affect YOU .. it only harms your EGO.
In other words, when you put yourself on the line 100% and don't hold anything back, you can't really get hurt, because you know it's not your flaw, so you don't take it personally.

-V-
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 19 / February / 2010



A rather quick report, because the night was a bit slow.

Started out in Huuma. Not a good venue, since people are just too young, and most of them have massive ADD. Never worked good for me. Haven't even approached anybody. Just totally didn't feel like it. So I got couple of wings from there (fucking cool guys) and we moved to Tiger.

Tiger was awesome, we started out right of the bat.

So straight for the sets:

The first one opened me, that was a girl from the last FR, the one I rapid escalated .. as usuall she gave me couple of smooches in the cheek, whatever. Gamed her a little. Had a feel of her but-cheeks. Yummy.
I wasn't really sticking with her, because she were kinda drunk and with an obnoxcious friend. Whatever. I was actually grabbing and smacking her butt throughout the whole night while passing by. She even made a comment to me, like: "Stop that! I don't like it" .. gues what I did? You got it .. smacked her butt once again :) I'm just fucking restless. I love them butts, what can I do :) Didn't pull her tho. Fucking hard to qualify her tho. I can't find anything cool about her except she's goodlooking and has a nice butt. I play this one pretty cavemanish, she probably thinks I'm nuts :) I constantly grab her, and pull in the corner, where I she starts talking some jibberish about how crazy am I, and I just escalate without even talking much. She gives me shitloads of resistance tho, so sometimes I just push her away and walk off untill I feel like escalating again. Ha ha )) I probably drive this one fucking NUTS! Honestly I think now I'm gonna freeze. And will drop my escalation back to 0. LOL, let' see what's gonna happen to her.

The second one was pretty cool. A nice goodie-goodie girl, very cute, kinda hip. With highheel Converse shoes. kinda tomboyish look I would say. But regardless I was attracted, cause she had a nice round booty in short denim shorts and was very friendly and fun.

I dedicate this set to Brad-, because of his awesome article here: http://www.rsdnation.com/brad/blog/get-huge-returns-how-get-girl-invest
So I approach quite textbook style .. straight up in her face, claw with a BR tonality: "Hey! Who are you?! What's the deal here?!". Boom, she straight up qualifies herself to me hardcore. Like: "Oh, I'm a nice girl, I cam e here with my girlfeidns to have fun, bla bla bla". What I do, is just straight up escalate. Run my hands all over her body while talking. Waste-back-neck-hair-head. Boom-boom-boom. She's totally ok with that, continues to qualify herself. While I'm just bombarding her with random question from the top of my head: "Does your mamma know you're in the club?", "Aren't you supposed to be at home doing your homework?" .. she goes: "Where are you from?", I make her play the guess game. She's clueless but very curious. I tell her that I'm an alien and that I'm on a mission here. I tell her that I'm going to make her a baby. I take away my escalation, I lean back, she leans in. She games me. Her friend is there but doesn't do shit. I continue.
She decies to take her friend and go to the bar. I take a lead from there: "Let's go, I'll get some water too". They follow me. I see my wing at the bar, introduce him to chicks so he can wing the friend. I make my girl get water for me. She does so. I feel like this is it, she's totally investing here. Then more of her friends come. I make friends with them. Then I see my buds at the bar and go talk to them, while I do that, the set evaporates. They went on the dancefloor. I walk around the venue and see this girl walking past me. I try to hook her, but she walks by and doesn't stop. I decide that I've fucked up this set by an uncalibrated "takeaway" and bail. I don't talk or engage her anymore that night. I bet she had a buyers remorse quite quick, because I started hard and then just stopped and didn't go any further .. probably because I was afraid to fuck it up. But what's fucking funny, is that THERE WAS NOTHING TO FUCK UP!! BECAUSE THERE WAS NOTHING IN THE FIRST PLACE!! All this created attraction is NOTHING if you don't pull (so there's nothing to loose anyway!). It's fucking simple IF YOU'RE NOT IN - YOU CAN'T WIN!!

Now I think to myself: "MOTHERFUCKER!!! SHE WERE INTO YOU!! AND YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO RUN THAT TRAIN!!!!" - here's the shit. I am a social and attractive guy. I open easily, I get girls attracted easy, BUT I DON'T CLOSE! Tomorrow when I'm going out, I'm gonna write it on my hand with a pen: "RUN THE MOTHAFUCKING TRAIN!!" That's it. I've been playing "horisontal" game for too long. It's time to go "vertical". Hook a set and try to pull it no matter what and run that train .. 10 times! even 20 times! I don't care. Enough of mingling around. Time to CLOSE!

Oh, there was one more set tho, with an older woman. She were pretty hot actually. Opened easily, with a claw. Just stopped her. Same thing with BR tonality: "Hey! Who are you?!". Pulled her in with a claw and boom! She goes for a full hug and gives me 2 nice smooches on the cheek, like I'm her old friend or something. I kiss her in the neck, give her a huge hug. It's fucking ON! But she had to run for her friend and I haven't seen her after that. That shit is awesome! Claw is just fucking priceless, still now I can't believe how FUCKING POWERFULL IT IS when applied with 100% determination. YOU HAVE TO FUCKING PULL THEM IN .. if you have a fraction of a doubt - YOURE DONE! But even if you do have some doubt - USE IT, GET BLOWN OUT - it will grow only stronger!


Overall, quite a fun night. I'm happy.

Pros: Approached hotties only, hooked sets, didn't procrastinate.
Cons: Didn't run the train
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Saturday / 20 March / 2010

 Ohh .. what a night!

Started out with my roomie and his friend. Nothing much. They were just drinking and chatting. I was waiting for my friends to arrive so we could go to Cuba (a nice bar, with a "let's hook up" kinda vibe, ok quality girls, 2-3 real hotties the whole night, a bit slow .. most of the game there is just eye contact .. chicks there just let you know whats up from the go). I'm feeling social, but not enough fire, I walked around opened couple of sets, got "bitch shielded" lol, It cracked me up so bad, most girls were totally uncalibrated, I mean to turn on "bitch shileds" with that appearance is just plain ridiculous :)) Had some good laughs with my wings, chilled a bit more and decided to ditch the place .. I was looking for some hardcore game today .. this wasn't just making it for me .. I needed something really hard .. I would say even impossible.

So, whatever, we hit Tiger .. the most intimidating place you can find there .. it's especially hardcore on Saturdays .. lot's of HUGE fuckers, MASSIVE bitch-shileds .. everybody dressed up .. all the glamour just gets in your face .. flash-flash-flash .. turbos all over the place .. plastic faces .. ridiculously expencive makeup .. puffed attitude .. loud ass music .. it's just fucking overwhelming .. shit just flies at you from all the angles.

We go in, walk around, I meet couple of friends, but ditch them quite soon .. I'm here for some action .. I get to the bar and boom .. there they are .. the most intimidating set I can find .. 2 women, probably in their mid 30's .. I think to myself: "Yes! Hardcore bitches! Just the way I need it" .. I go in first a bit friendly, slightly higher energy then they are: "What's up guys!" put my both hands on their shoulders. One of them throwes it off completelly, another one doesn't. I keep my claw on one of them while talking to one who's giving me the hardest time, she's the leader .. I have to submit her .. the random opener pop's up in my head:
- You like assholes?
- No
- You like douchebags?
- No
- *I'm still playing it nicely and friendly, smiling at her* .. oooh, c'mon, don't break my heart, be nice to me
- No *she's fucking standoffish, gesturing to me to GTFO*
- *I persist and just plow with whatever pops into my mind, my subcommunication tells her that I try hard to hook this one, I do*
- No
- *nothing seems to work, so I finally somehow I just go break rapport* - Are you rich!?
- *Boom! she responds! she looks at me all bitchy and throws a congruence-test* What the fuck is that supposed to mean?
- I say are you rich?!
- WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS?!
- *I step up in her face* IT'S A FUCKING QUESTION!!
- *she suddenly submits and qualifies herself* yes I am *and gives me that "now what?" kind of attitude, BOOM! SHE JUST GAVE ME THE LEAD!*
- *I'm speechless! I was stunned! I've never ever submitted this caliber of a woman, so I don't know what to do in this situation, anyway my mind comes out with a usuall friendly routine and I go back to "trying" mode, which is totally incongruent with what I've done a second ago*
- *she blows me off*
- *she's right .. this incongruency of mine is second class behaviour, this is unnacceptable for a man to act like this .. so I accept that .. she has done what she had to do in this situation, so I put my 2 thimbs up, give her respect for not accepting second class bullshit and walk off*

Side note: This was a hell of an experience, I've never ever done anything like this before. I just totally throwed myself into this set. And it worked. I just mannaged to submit her. This was awesome. Even for a fraction of a second, but I did it! I had her! For a tiny bit of time .. BUT I HAD HER!! It just blew my mind! I mean, wow, this is like the whole new world guys! I feel like something have opened up .. a door to bigger oportunities! BOOM!
There's a lot of stuff running through my head now .. I'm not going to write it all now, I need to sort it out .. it's all a bit messy now, I still have to process what's going on here. But I smell a breakthrough!

Anyway, back to the night.

As soon as I come back to my wing, he tells me: "Turn around" .. I do that .. and boom! Drop-dead gorgeus brunette. Pure stunner. With a fatty. I'm on the move, the momentum is ON .. I go in, open up the fatty with a high 5, give a 5 to the hottie too .. ask a fattie what's up, and what's the deal and stuff .. but my attention just keeps shifting towards that stunner .. I just can't fucking resist it, even tho I know - FATTY FIRST! .. I look at the stunner, and she is smiling at me with this beaming light coming out .. she's so into what I'm doing! She just LOVES me making friends with the fatty, it's just fucking amazing :))  But I loose .. I loose my composure and turn to her and give my approval .. I just couldn't resust that beaming light of glory of hers .. as soon as it happens fatty grabs her and pulls away. That's it .. done.
I could have done it! .. as soon as I would get fatties approval a girl would be mine .. I mean I know there even would be no need to "game" her .. if I just have made the fatty happy she would give me the "keys". Ha ha ha ))) this is so awesome, like it's so counterintuitive it's fucking hillarious!

Anyway, the rest of the night goes OK .. my wing opens this super-cute girlie and makes my day .. it was awesome watching him and her .. they were like a perfect couple, they both just put this huge smile on my face, but when my wing went for a k-close she ran away, what a shame, they would totally make a perfect couple of the night, but whatever, he took the risk, big props :)

The end of the night came, I walked around talked to my friends for a while, said goodbyes to my wing, because he's leaving back to Germany, and I don't know if I would see him again .. awesome guy. Kinda sad.

I went to my bus, chatted up a cute Philippinean 19yo girlie in the bus, had some laughs but didn't close .. she said she had a boyfriend or something .. I dunno but I decided to let her go .. however I shouldn't have .. I probably should have closed .. I mean she were nice, friendly and cute .. I felt like she would put too much expectations on me and I knew that I would break her heart .. HOWEVER this girl deserves to get her mind blown and I could have give her that gift .. what a shame.

That's it guys .. hope you enjoyed it as much as I did ;)

Oh, and one quick edit: There was this hater drunk guy who tried to fuck with my game, he pushed me and stepped on my foot, which totally looked like he did it on purpose, well I turned him around an stepped on his foot in return .. he tried to step on mine and shit started to get hot, like he was up to fuck with me big time, but I just was avoiding his foot and kinda made this funny dance/game (we used to play it in school, like who's gonna catch/step on who's foot first, lol) so we just cracked up with him at all this ridiculousness :)) lol, he tried to give me a highfive but missed, just after hi missed his weight distribution got fucked up and he just fell backwards on the floor, while he just hit his head on the bar .. ha ha ha ha, this was hillarious .. fucking epic fail .. totally made my night :)))

-V-
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Whats up forum!

It's been awesome night. Quite a long time I didn't have this kind of a blast. This report is going to be a big one, because the amount of sets I opened was huge.

I started up with a new wing of mine, we ran quite a lot of horizontal game, because unfortunately nothing was really hooking for him, he kept either ejecting, either got blown off.

Actually, I must say that on my experience he wasn't really getting blown off, I was really surprised that he was taking off the sets so early .. dude, if you're reading this, you have to know that "it's not over until you say it's over" .. well basically you can plow through anything, you can fuck up in a set dozens of times and still pull it off, it doesn't have to be perfect .. I mean every second in a set is like a new start, it means that you can fuck it up any second, bu also you can flip it around in no time. Like Tolle would say: just get in the now .. thing you said in the set couple of seconds ago becomes the past and while you're in the now you can still make it work if you believe that you possess all the resources necessary, that is why "100% belief" is that important.

As an example, I found myself creeping out sets many times, besides I did it so many times that I actually understood how irrelevant it was. Many times I would find myself saying something weird or creepy and I would actually laugh and say "Well that was weird/creepy :) But anyway .. bla bla bla, proceed to another topic", most of the time people will just let it slide, because every single social person have been in the awkward situation and they know how it is, nobody want's to make a big deal out of it and dwell on the negative fact of it, so why should you? .. again, no need to be perfect. My favourite phrase concerning this is:"Berfect is boring" .. just gotta allow yourself to be human, that's it.

I've been watching transformations recently, and Tim was talking about "You have 10 game". If you come from this mindset, your mistakes become irrelevant .. you said some creepy shit? Doesn't matter .. you have 10 game. You spilled some drink on you or stepped in dog shit, fuck it - you have 10 game :)

Also, if you really wanna get somewhere with a girl, you'll have to play Vertical Game - this is when you don't just run around opening every set you can (although it can be and IS shitloads of fun) but actually sticking with it once you actually like what you hooked.

Another good point from this FR is that I was completelly tired while doing all this, and this is another 2 cents in the pocket of "State Doesn't Really Matter" kind of thing. As an example, this day I woke up at 5am, and went out at night .. I've been up on my feet for almost 24 hours, at some point I just wanted to sit and chill, but I kept gaming .. and surprisingly it was going pretty good.

Anyway, let's get on to the night:

First we hit this little lounge bar .. quite a trendy place, a lot of quality .. what was so amazing is the boy/girl ratio was like 20/80 .. there was no dudes almost, just some VIP set in the corner with some chick in it, I actually approached it later.

When we entered the bar, we got some drinks, decided not to waste any time and my wing offered to play the "30 seconds" game, where he would count to 30 and I would have to approach the set. If not he will hit or kick me. Long story short I loved this game. My first set was some 4 girls, instantly hooked. I just went there gave them some h5's, they remembered me from somewhere. I sticked with them for a while and went back to my wing who was standing by the bar. As soon as I got there I started counting. He approached his set, and as soon as he did it I returned to mine, sticked there some longer time, chatted up the hotties of the group, yada yada.

I look back and see my wing again, again by the bar. I go talk to him and he starts counting again, so I kinda forced to approach the VIP mixed set in the corner. I didn't want to do that tho, but the experience was kinda cool. I just went there hi5 couple of girls. One of them instead of hi5ving me, gently ran her fingers on my palm .. it definitely meant something, but I didn't went for it, because the logistics were rather difficult, there were lot's of guys in this set, and half of chicks were married as one of them told me. I chatted with her a little told her that my mission there was over and ejected. When I came to my wing he asked me if I knew them. Nope, I didn't. Besides it was kinda amazing for me as people would actually think that I know those people I aproach. I think it's because of how chill am I doing this. I just go there assuming that those people are my friends and the just go with it, I bet people in the set would also think that I know some girls from that same set. Anyway, this is great, because other people who would see this will think that I kinda know everybody, which is valuable.

After I went back to the I started counting because it was my wings turn to approach and he wasn't in the set .. after he did it I went to my very first set to stick around with them. I sat there and chatted up the girl I was interested in. They were about to leave, I found out where, it was some privat party in the bar I wasn't familiar with. I went for a close:

- So, let's hang out.
- I can't, we're leaving now
- Not now, some other time
- Why?
- Adventure! Fun!
- Ok, sure
- Give me a call then

She takes my number and leaves, I should have gave her a hug tho.

I go back to the bar where my wing is and he starts counting .. I go on a lower level and see a couple of chicks at the table. I just go there extend my arm holding a glass, like expecting them to give me cheers and clink it. I had to stand there silent for like 5 seconds, because they were clueless of what to do. So I told them. "Cheers! You gotta clink my glass" .. so they did. I sat there and chatted them up. Some dude comes up, I greet him. He tells me that they are work buddies and just chilling after a working day. That's good. The dude walks away to smoke come ciggies and another dude comes. I greet him, make friends with him. He's wearing some bad-ass hat, but chicks tell him to take it off because they kinda like his hair. So he does (even tho I see that he doesn't want to), so I tell him: "Dude, don't listen to them, they don't know shit what they are talking about .. they're just jelous chicks, they're not interested in other chicks looking at you, so their advice is neve legit .. besides that hat is totally bad ass". Chicks love me for that.
What was particulary interesting in this set is that I instantly became a leader of the whole thing there, even tho I didn't know them they were totally cool of giving me away the leadership position.
While I was in the set I became conscious of that feeling where my every action had a purpose. Every single word, every single thing was thought through, it wasn't just going with the flow, it was like I knew exactly what the fuck I was doing and leading the set dynamic to the place I wanted to, like a chess game or something.
It also got manifested when my wing came to the set and started to cheer people up with his enormous "woo" .. the set was a little hesitant of weather they should join the "woo" and let my wing in the set or not, and I saw them looking for my approval. So I went "Yeah!! Bring on the fun!!" and everyone clicked the glasses and my wing was instantly in.

Anyway, the bar got a little empty, because most people were bouncing to clubs, so we decided to do the same thing. I didn't close anybody because I wasn't really into anyone in the last set. The chick from a set gave me this nice hug tho, warm and nice, I liked it.

Overall, the whole lounge bar experience was great. In a short period of time we met almost every single person there, made bunch of friends, it was awesome.

Next think you know we ended up in this cool venue where youngsters party. Quite a cool place, people were quite friendly there. We mingled around for a while. Played our "30 second game" I hugged some random chicks. Joined some B-Day set. Whatever.

Couple of cool things happened tho worth mentioning, one of those is I approached a huge 10 set or something. That one was quite fun, I sticked with them a little, they were cool, but hesitant, probably just because they are young. But after that, when the set has broken up in smaller chunks I consistently had chicks checking me out. At first I was wondering why, but then I figured that they were from the same set. My game with those chicks was like half-done, I could easily reopen them any time, but I wasn't really into them.

Another thing was pretty funny because of my opener. There was a girl who asked me:

- So what do you do?
- I'm an ass model (honestly, I'm so bored with chicks asking me the same question, I iven give them a dissapointed face when they ask me that)
- Ha ha, really?
- Yeah .. I can crack a wholenut with my buns ..
- OMG
- You want some nut?
- :) not now

Anyway I ditched them cause they were kinda weird. We mingled around some more, I opened some cute girlies in the corner, then went to look for my wing and we shooted some shit untill we found this gorgeous 2-set. The hottest set in the club. So, we approached them. My friend his target and I approached mine.
As easy as that:

- Hey, whassup *claw*
- Hey, it's all good
- You're like the hottest chicks in the club, we just had come and meet you
- Wow!! *wide smile*
- I'm Val
- I'm HBBlonde

I tell her some stories of my adventures I had recently, all fun .. I grab her .. pull her in the air, it's on and fun, but my wing suddenly storms out of the set, I ask his girl what's up and she says that she told him to go. Well, it was ok, I was handling them both but she kept putting sticks in my wheels, telling me crap like "I have a boyfriend, and my friend has one too!", but I was having fun with it, like: "ah, right .. ditch the zero and be with a hero! WTF!" .. they laugh, bla bla bla, I tell them that we should ditch the place and bounce to a better venue, they agree, and ask me where's my friend. Whatever I go look for him and got kinda stuck there with couple of my friends. Long story short we found them in the one venue I suggested for them to go, my girl was totally happy to see me, but the friend kept dragging her away. I should have #closed this one, but I didn't, just because this thought didn't cross my mind even. I just don't have this habit of closing which I still have to work on.

Also, when we bounced to Tiger at the end of the night we kept running on lots of super-hot chicks coming out of there, we were asking everyone why they are leaving and where. I suddenly opened this gorgeous petite girlie, had some small chat with her, she were leaving the club and bouncing to some other venue, it was ON between us, we were holding hands and talking, she asked me where I'm from and yada yada, but the fact that she was leaving was there, and I decided to let her go, WITHOUT ME #CLOSING HER AGAIN!!!! WTF!!!
This actually becomes fucking painful!! Me not running the train is awful, it is at the point where I'm becoming fucking angry with myself for that!! I SHOULD CLOSE MOTHAFUCKA!!

Anyway, we get into Tiger, walk around, open some sets, nothing worth our attention really, it seems like everyone went for some better party and Tiger was left with scrapes.

One more thing worth mentioning is this situation with a mixed 2-set, a guy and a girl. We were playing this 30 second game with my wing out of boredom and it was my turn to approach, thing is that I couldn't find a cool set but the count was near to 25 so I had to open before I got hit in the chest or whatever. So I see this 2-set, I go in and interrupt, boom, straight up cockblock on my side .. I totally see they have this romantic moment going on and I straight up think they're boybriend/girlfriend I'm like: "Awwww, romantic! Awesome!" boom, the girl storms away, and the dude who had a piece of lemon in his mouth tries to shove this piece in my mouth with his dirty fingers and shit. My initial responce was rather quick, I just grab his hand and his throat, quite firmly but at the same time I let him know that if he's gonna move I'm gonna fucking crush it, whatever, that was perfect clinch position I was taught on BJJ .. so I make 2 steps and press him against the bar while telling him that this crap is totally unapropriate, sure he could tell me to fuck off and sure I was wrong to cockblock, it was totally a lame move, but don't fucking try to stick your dirty fingers in my mouth!
Anyway, long story short the guy tries to talk himself out and tells me that's a joke and bla bla bla, well I cool off rather quick (I'm not the type of guy who likes to fight, I do it only if my life or self-respect is in a serious danger) and tell him that this kinda jokes are fucked up. He tells me: "Dude .. the best looking girl in the club ..", and here I'm like - FUCK :) Totally felt guilty, but whatever, nothing actually hapened, he could go and reopen her, telling her that I'm a fucking creepo or whatever, I don't give a fuck. Anyway, the whole thing was quite surprising for me, the guy was head-higher and bigger then me. This shit came out totally to my surprise, I have never thought I can be capable of something like this, I mean I was this small skinny submissive guy like 4-5 years ago. However the dude also handled the situation quite good, he didn't faint or anything and totally kept his cool, totally remained chill in this situation, without going aggressive and confronting my anger. He didn't let his ego and pride to get in the way and I respect that.
At the end of the night I felt like I would buy him a beer, but we decided to ditch the place.

So we decided do ditch the place because it became fucking boring, besides I was very tired and wanted to sleep already.

Lot's of field experience this night .. BUT no sex for me .. although I had shitload of opportunity to get some, I just wasn't running the train again .. this is my sticking point number one now .. I need to become a closer.

That's it. Thanx for reading, hope you got some value out of it.

-V-
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 Thursday / 1 April / 2010

Kinda slow night, didn't really feel like "it".

I met up with my wing in town and we started out in Crush, a cozy trendy little place .. like a lounge bar.
No approaches there, cuz not so much chicks in the first place. Second of all, the bartender is an old friend of mine and I didn't want to risk my rep by creeping his clients out. Just got some drinks, had a talk with my wing and switched the place.

OK, I'm not going to write about every signle set, because they all followed the same pattern. I was be-friending a lot, and wasn't running the train. My excuse for tonight was: "I wasn't really feeling it". However now while I'm remembering what was up, I WAS actually feeling it in some sets but didn't go for it.

My most common thougts were:
- I have to find/help my wing
- It's too early to close
- Her friend is going to drag her anyway
- My logistics suck, I can't pull her in the bus
- She's not drunk enough
- She's too drunk
- I can find a better girl
- I'm too good for her
- She's too nice
- etc

All night I was mingling around, 90% of my sets hooked, but instead of burning them to the ground I kinda left them "hang".
At the end of the night I spent so much energy opening and be-friending different sets that I was barely able to open or re-open more. I was totally drained. It felt like there would be too much work if I would go any further and I just didn't have enough energy for it. I just wasn't having any fun. It all was like: "Bla bla, bla bla .. same shit, same shit" fucking boring, no excitement at all. People would talk to me, be friendly to me, but it just wouldn't really go anywhere.
Honestly, pulling wasn't even in my mind, however I was consistantly screening for ONS.

Whatever .. todays night just showed me one very important thing. I used to think I'm good at this. Yes, I actually am, I'm a social guy, I can easily hook sets, befriend people in no time. But as a closer - I SUCK COMPLETELY.
It feels to me like it's the whole different game, it's like the whole new set of mindsets and skills I have to learn now.
I had big trouble isolating girls today, I just realized that I have NO IDEA how to do that.

What's good is that now I focus on the whole different set of skills, before I was aiming to learn social skills so I could hook sets and not be creepy or weird. Now I focus on closing, isolating and dealing with logistics.

I need to watch Ozzies speech in Transformation untill his voice telling me "CLOSE! RUN THE TRAIN!" is echoing in my head like 24/7.

-V-
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 Saturday / 3 April / 2010

Now that was a night of some bizzare experience. He he, I got some awesome perspective on when you DON'T caveman. Lol. Personally I LOVE cavemaning, but before you learn to calibrate it right and use it in a right moment, you're haveng a high risk of getting in a weird situation ;)

Anyway, long story short. I started up at some "gay friendly" bar. I have to justify that this was my roomies idea :) He said it was a nice place .. well it kinda was.
When I came there, I kinda walked around chatted up bartenders .. whatever.
Then while I was chatting away with one of community guys 2 girlies aproached us .. nothing special, but I was flattered, I was very thankful and very friendly with them, because I know that it actually takes hell of a nerve to approach random strangers. Anyway, one girl was cool while talking with the guy I was with, the other girl had trouble connecting with me, probably cause she was very nervous or something. Well, I understand .. I was kind-of too much for her, I tried to help her tho .. gave her some topics to talk about, but, she were just giving me closed statements. Soon they left.
I chatted some more with a guy, untill I randomly turn around and see this latina cutie, looking at me with this shiny smile. I instantky light up, shout "heeeey" like she's my old friend or something, and give her a hi5. Next thing you know, we're all over each other .. hugging, fooling around .. her friends love me. It's all good. She's one of the hottet girls in club. I can feel and see how other girls start to check me out all of a sudden. Whatever I keep my cool.
Latina want's to go dance with friends, I want to go chat up my roomie. I tell her that I'll catch her later.

Mistake #1: We were hitting it off really good, before I let her go dance I should have taken the # already. I didn't do that. Later I'll pay for that.

After I chatted up my roomie and mingled around the bar some more, I couldn't find her. Pooff..
But whatever, I opened some more sets, but they were nothing comparing to that Latina. So I decided to ditch this bar, and go to Tiger, my favourite venue.

Once I'm in I see and old buddy of mine, turn out his friends had a b-day and they had this big VIP table reserved with shitloads of drinks there. Well, sure enough I've joined the party. Woo! But still kept sober there, even tho some people were trying to pass me some whiskey. I was sticking to water and juice. Fuck alcohol, if I get drunk it fucks up my regime and I lose weight. That's not cool.

Anyway while I'm there chatting my bud, I see this familiar red dress .. sure enough it's the Latina girl :)

I go in, straight with a hug .. tell her that I missed her, whatever. But she's like a diferent person at this point. Acting totally weird. Looking around like she has ADD or something, not focusing on what I'm telling her. Value scanning or something .. probably worrying what people are going to think .. totally weird. Anyway, I try to make her focus, but no go, she tries to excuse herself by telling me that she needs to find a friend .. I try to #lclose - no go, she's totally in a weird headspace. I try to break her out of it and pump up her state, it works for a while, I go for # again - no go. Fuck. I pump up her more, doesn't go well, so I decide to caveman, like pick her up and carry her to a quiet corner. The girl has a glass of water in her hand tho. So, I pick her up and she starts screaming, that's normal, they all scream, so I don't give a fuck and proceed to carry her .. next thing you know, she sees this HUGE FUCKING BLACK GUY .. like a FUCKING MACHINE .. and THROWS WATER ON HIM!! LIKE THE WHOLE GLASS AND SHIT :))) The guy had some beer bottle in his hand and he threw some beer back on her. Chick went furious, shouting at him that he's an animal and shit, the guy was shouting at her like WTF!?!? .. anyway .. HUGE DRAMA.

BUt whatever, bouncer comes, I defuse the guy bu cooling him off and explaining that my girl is a crazy cookie and a bit of a drama queen, whatever. The guy stll want's to talk to her but I just tell him that this will ensure more drama and that he doesn't really want this. He agrees.
I go back to Latina girl and see her arguing with a bouncer. I go in, tell the bouncer that this is my girl and that I can take it from there, he leaves. I lock eyes with her and tell her fucking loud like: "LOOK AT ME! ENOUGH OF THAT SHIT, WE'RE IN THE CLUB! LET'S HAVE FUN!! DOn't let some creepo ruin your night!" poof, this changes her mood and she smiles, but still tells me that she has to go find her friend. I go for #close again - NO GO!! .. she tells me something retarded like: "I'm not that easy" .. fuck, at this point I'm telling her that I'm not going to ask her again, she tells me that she's sorry and that she'll come to talk to me later. I don't believe her and let her go. End of story.

MIstake #2: Should have followed her downstairs and run the train again, but at that point I got frustrated - that's bad.

Well, I didn't get the girl this time either, but the experience itself was priceless .. I mean what worse you can imagine happening in a club then this .. this was probably like the worse case scenario I could ever imagine, and I still was cool and able to diffuse the whole situation in no time. Wow. I mean this kind of experiences make me believe that there rarely are social situations I can't handle. I'm more and more confident in all this. It's great.

-V-
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