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mayhem, all this is is you putting yourself in my situation and assuming that I'm the same as you. I haven't had escalation problems for years, I will makeout with the girls and take it as far as I want. Just because you've had previous problems with not escalating and "fucking things up" (your words not mine), doesn't mean that every other guy is in the same situation as me. I no longer consider sex the end goal, its just part of building amazing relationships with women.
Also, don't assume because I'm taking it slow with these girls that I'm also not fucking them. I've met them at different times and progressed at different rates, but sex is still available. Some are still working their tails off, while others have put in their effort and time and have been rewarded.
Change in perspective:
Go from:
I need to do these things in order to fuck hot girls
to
Hot girls need to do these things in order to fuck me.
Take control of your life.
Gutterasfuck wrote:
I do agree with you gutter, sex is fun and it's awesome to live in the moment. But how many PUAs are having sex just out of neediness and validation? I know a few... :P
-Michelangelo
Also, don't assume because I'm taking it slow with these girls that I'm also not fucking them. I've met them at different times and progressed at different rates, but sex is still available. Some are still working their tails off, while others have put in their effort and time and have been rewarded.
Change in perspective:
Go from:
I need to do these things in order to fuck hot girls
to
Hot girls need to do these things in order to fuck me.
Take control of your life.
Gutterasfuck wrote:
I do agree with you gutter, sex is fun and it's awesome to live in the moment. But how many PUAs are having sex just out of neediness and validation? I know a few... :P
-Michelangelo
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"I love those who yearn for the impossible."
Boom
Go from:
I need to do these things in order to fuck hot girls
to
Hot girls need to do these things in order to fuck me.
Go from:
I need to do these things in order to fuck hot girls
to
Hot girls need to do these things in order to fuck me.
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Boom
Go from:
I need to do these things in order to fuck hot girls
to
Hot girls need to do these things in order to fuck me.
It's funny, I've had what Michelangelo described happen a few times, with you know, cooler, more interesting chicks. Not necessarily intentionally, but that's how it played out. Like I had a higher standard for them, and had to make sure they were legit. Not really conscious or deliberate in any way. But in hindsight, yeah.Go from:
I need to do these things in order to fuck hot girls
to
Hot girls need to do these things in order to fuck me.
So, now I'm kindof perplexed; can't really reconcile this with my normal tendency: closing girls at the first opportunity, with little to no regard to their personality (as long as it's tolerable), just to their hotness.
Slightly interesting girls, they have to jump through hoops to get dick, but the ones that are just hot, instant golden ticket times of chocolate covered happiness? I'm laughing.
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poi s'ascose nel foco che gli affina - the refining fire
poi s'ascose nel foco che gli affina - the refining fire
Sounds like you're just getting off on the ego boost from getting a girl interested and watching her chase for sex.
But if your saying in your experience thats what MAKES THE DIFFERENCE between a ONS and longer term then fair enough, keep doing that.
But is it REALLY a good idea to be advicing people here not to close???
you said:
"have a little faith in women and assume that some actually have self respect and love a challenge and won't just settle for any cock they can find!"
That is judgmental BS.
So whats gonna happen when she goes out clubbing with her mates the next night and meets another guy she ALSO LIKES and who WILL escalate, do you think she's gonna blow him out? You are reliant on her not getting in that situation during your 'make her wait' time. So chances are, the only person waiting to get laid, is you.
But if your saying in your experience thats what MAKES THE DIFFERENCE between a ONS and longer term then fair enough, keep doing that.
But is it REALLY a good idea to be advicing people here not to close???
you said:
"have a little faith in women and assume that some actually have self respect and love a challenge and won't just settle for any cock they can find!"
That is judgmental BS.
So whats gonna happen when she goes out clubbing with her mates the next night and meets another guy she ALSO LIKES and who WILL escalate, do you think she's gonna blow him out? You are reliant on her not getting in that situation during your 'make her wait' time. So chances are, the only person waiting to get laid, is you.
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This has nothing to do with ego my friend. Here again we have a problem of you putting yourself in my situation and assuming that we'd act the same.
People see the world differently, my life is completely different than yours. You have to come to accept this. There are no objective truths.
I agree, giving this advice to a beginner would not be a good idea. These guys need exeperience in escalating and in learning how to attract women. However, this is not a technique to have sex with women. I hope that is pretty obvious.
This post is not for these guys. This post is for the men out there, who have their life together and know what they are doing.
Think about your mindset for a second. Somehow, you rationalized that because girls have sex with you (well at least I assume they do), that in turn all girls are sluts and will fuck whoever. What does this say about you?
The women that I'm interested have standards. I encourage them to go out on weekends with their friends and have fun. I even offer to introduce them nerdy guys. They can do whatever they want, its their life. If they find another guy and fuck him, then good for them. But I have enough confidence in myself not to worry about this.
Take control of your own life. If you are truly worried about fucking a girl before some other guy does, then there is a lot of room for growth.
-Michelangelo
People see the world differently, my life is completely different than yours. You have to come to accept this. There are no objective truths.
I agree, giving this advice to a beginner would not be a good idea. These guys need exeperience in escalating and in learning how to attract women. However, this is not a technique to have sex with women. I hope that is pretty obvious.
This post is not for these guys. This post is for the men out there, who have their life together and know what they are doing.
Think about your mindset for a second. Somehow, you rationalized that because girls have sex with you (well at least I assume they do), that in turn all girls are sluts and will fuck whoever. What does this say about you?
The women that I'm interested have standards. I encourage them to go out on weekends with their friends and have fun. I even offer to introduce them nerdy guys. They can do whatever they want, its their life. If they find another guy and fuck him, then good for them. But I have enough confidence in myself not to worry about this.
Take control of your own life. If you are truly worried about fucking a girl before some other guy does, then there is a lot of room for growth.
-Michelangelo
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"I love those who yearn for the impossible."
Disagree with both sides of this argument.
When you sleep with a girl has no bearing on her standards nor if I have my life together what so ever.
This screams of dogmatism.
There is nothing to work for on either side.
Except that the man is leading.
The penis leads inside the vagina
always
When you sleep with a girl has no bearing on her standards nor if I have my life together what so ever.
This screams of dogmatism.
There is nothing to work for on either side.
Except that the man is leading.
The penis leads inside the vagina
always
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This really does come down to belief in yourself. Do you truly believe that you are an interesting awesome person, and that people would love to have you in their lives? Well the you would be comfortable making her wait.
But if deep down you are still an insecure loser, then you won't have true belief in yourself, and you'll be worried about fucking her before other guys do.
But if deep down you are still an insecure loser, then you won't have true belief in yourself, and you'll be worried about fucking her before other guys do.
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"I love those who yearn for the impossible."
Look, I understand where you're coming from and it's based on your filter and experience.
I don't share the same.
I've had girls I've fucked on the same night turn to be a girlfriend for a year.
I've had girls that I wasn't able to have sex with for months and it didn't last beyond that night.
And everything in between.
Bottomline: I make no assocation between when I sleep with a girl and the type of connection I have with her.
Because there isn't one.
For me - a woman's not gonna reveal her true self until you've slept with her.
I want to get to that point as quickly, naturally, and organically as possible.
Otherwise I'm wasting both of our times.
I don't share the same.
I've had girls I've fucked on the same night turn to be a girlfriend for a year.
I've had girls that I wasn't able to have sex with for months and it didn't last beyond that night.
And everything in between.
Bottomline: I make no assocation between when I sleep with a girl and the type of connection I have with her.
Because there isn't one.
For me - a woman's not gonna reveal her true self until you've slept with her.
I want to get to that point as quickly, naturally, and organically as possible.
Otherwise I'm wasting both of our times.
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Michelangelo,
I like your post. It's interesting and seems to be coming from a place of total confidence and abundance. However I wonder; do you need to do this to get a LTR? From the way that you act I doubt it.
You wondering how this would be accepted on a "natural" board is interesting to me... More so is the majority of responses that you have gotten. I'm amazed that most everyone seems to think that this is a bad idea/waste of time. However, no one has yet commented on whether or not it fits in with the natural structure we strive for.
Here is where I really like this. Because it does. It is a technique that is completely natural. Infact, I had a buddy in highschool (didn't know any game) who was determined to stay a virgin; even though a ton of girls where in love with him. He posed these questions to me... "Why sleep with them?... Have you ever said no?... Why not flip the tables?". I found his idea fun and challenging. I tried it, and it is amazing! All of these guys com on here with there theory, and what they have been told. That's right, escalating slowly can shoot you in the foot. But if you escalate, just hold back a bit; not only will it not hurt you, but it will help you tremendously. I started doing this after that talk with my buddy, and after that it was like I just blew up! More girls wanted me, less could have me, and they all wanted me more than before. It was wierd and mind blowing at first. But to throw this out for everyone who hangs on every word from RSD. I had made myself the chooser, and the girls fed off of it like sharks! You can hate all you want, and theorize as to why it's wrong. But until you give up your sure thing with complete confidence that they will be back, you will never be able to comment from a place of knowledge on the subject.
The other thing that I noticed (for me the best reason to do it) was the sex changed. Not just a bit, not even a lot, but completely. The girls would ravish themselves for me. They would beg (that's right) for the sex. I would even take this so far as to sleep over and spoon with them severla times. Beleive me when I say... DAMN!!!! it is so worth it. To have the girl want you so bad that she is begging for it (and has several times before). You guys may hate on this idea, and you may hate on me. But don't knock it till you have tried it.
Thank you for the new idea.
P.S. I forgot about this (got a little more desparate for the sex), I'm gonna bring it back.
I like your post. It's interesting and seems to be coming from a place of total confidence and abundance. However I wonder; do you need to do this to get a LTR? From the way that you act I doubt it.
You wondering how this would be accepted on a "natural" board is interesting to me... More so is the majority of responses that you have gotten. I'm amazed that most everyone seems to think that this is a bad idea/waste of time. However, no one has yet commented on whether or not it fits in with the natural structure we strive for.
Here is where I really like this. Because it does. It is a technique that is completely natural. Infact, I had a buddy in highschool (didn't know any game) who was determined to stay a virgin; even though a ton of girls where in love with him. He posed these questions to me... "Why sleep with them?... Have you ever said no?... Why not flip the tables?". I found his idea fun and challenging. I tried it, and it is amazing! All of these guys com on here with there theory, and what they have been told. That's right, escalating slowly can shoot you in the foot. But if you escalate, just hold back a bit; not only will it not hurt you, but it will help you tremendously. I started doing this after that talk with my buddy, and after that it was like I just blew up! More girls wanted me, less could have me, and they all wanted me more than before. It was wierd and mind blowing at first. But to throw this out for everyone who hangs on every word from RSD. I had made myself the chooser, and the girls fed off of it like sharks! You can hate all you want, and theorize as to why it's wrong. But until you give up your sure thing with complete confidence that they will be back, you will never be able to comment from a place of knowledge on the subject.
The other thing that I noticed (for me the best reason to do it) was the sex changed. Not just a bit, not even a lot, but completely. The girls would ravish themselves for me. They would beg (that's right) for the sex. I would even take this so far as to sleep over and spoon with them severla times. Beleive me when I say... DAMN!!!! it is so worth it. To have the girl want you so bad that she is begging for it (and has several times before). You guys may hate on this idea, and you may hate on me. But don't knock it till you have tried it.
Thank you for the new idea.
P.S. I forgot about this (got a little more desparate for the sex), I'm gonna bring it back.
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