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Going to use this thread to keep track of my FR's following my Bootcamp and 30 day challenge that I just completed.  Hope someone gains something from me writing about my experiences.

30 DC with Haze PUA
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Doge~

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lol... somewhat ostentatious but I'm sure it will be packed with much awesome. :)
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Ecstasy

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1/7/10-1/8/10 Days 31 & 32

Did day in USQ on Wednesday, still feel alienated while out in the real world though.  Opened a set or two but went nowhere fast and was so sad.  Such fury afterwards at how bad I am at day game, but I realize it's a process.  Going to hone my night game more and get some more experience under my belt before I go all out with daygame again.

Went to LES with Haze on Thursday, Pianos was the only place popping.  Tons of community dudes chode crystalizing around talking about game, kinda funny.  Opened an acceptable amount of sets, got into pretty positive social momentum, but still not cognizant enough while in set to escalate hard and fast.  Never quite build enough escalation momentum.  Definitely need to work on that.  Still hesitant to pull the trigger when logistics aren't right, like if she's with one other girl and my mind is screaming that her friend will drag them both away if I escalate hard and she sees her friend likes me + doesn't want to get left out.  Been focusing on my facial expressions and any supplicating features that I may unconsciously do while in set.  Ideally want to open, screen quickly for how strong the lead is, then escalate hard and fast on the strong ones.  I.E. had a pretty cute girl that blew open on opening, she elected to give me a hug instead of taking my hand for the handshake right off the bat.  Should've pulled her into me right away and told her to tell me about herself and what makes her interesting/special right off the bat instead of going for the hand-hold to see her interest level and then asking logical BS.  May not have mattered in the long run since she got dragged away by her 5 guy friends who were trying to probably one day surprise her with a "I have a dick!" move... but whatevers.

Thoughts:
Even sets that go well off the bat or are attracted to me off the bat have to be escalated on quickly and hard or I end up with these weak numbers that go absolutely nowhere the next day
When I fail to escalate and get my escalation momentum going, I lose 2 girls.  That one, and the next one whom I"ll be in negative physical momentum with
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1/8/10 Day 33

Went out to MPD today with the crew.  Went to 675 first, wasn't that great.  Opened my first set there to get the first set out of the way and then went to gaslight then plunge.  Felt pretty good today, opened a ton without thinking about it too much.  I'd say I have opening in a nightclub environment with momentum down to a pretty consistent practice now.  Today was great though because for the first time I built a good amount of physical escalation momentum as well.  There were a ton of pretty hot girls at plunge so I was running around taking girls because my core was being moved.  This let me naturally escalate on many of my interactions after maybe the first 2 since I truly felt the women i was talking to were hot.  2 main escalations of the night were on a tall swedish girl and then later on the last real set of the night on this hot ass italian girl who was looking for her friends.  I thought she looked pretty cute from behind but when i grabbed her to turn her around, I was stunned.  She looked like Emanuelle Chiriqui aka Sloan from Entourage like straight up.  Since I was so lovestruck and opened her direct with that raw intent, she blew open and it was on from the onset.  Open her, tell her she's absolutely gorgeous, spin her around, check out her goods, blame her for being so voluptuous.  Reminds me a lot of the set from BC a month ago, just amazing flow from the get-go.  I screen for logistics, she just moved her from Boston.  She lives a few streets from me actually.  We're holding hands, grabbing, she wants to be kissed so I oblige her and she's giddy and thanks me for doing so.  She says she has to check on her friend real quick and begs me not to leave because she wants to hang out with me more.  Being burned before many times, I try for the number but she's incredulous and assures me she will find me no matter what.  At this point I get sort of in my head because I'm not sure how to play it.  Logical mind starts debating whether or not it's chode to run around looking for her, how chode it is to stand around waiting for her to come back to me, if I should go open other sets etc.  Law_NYCE and some others were waiting on me so after waiting about 10 minutes and getting very outcome dependant (she lives like a few streets away from me), I finally see her before we're about to leave and she's sitting and having fun talking to her guy friend or bf or some orbiter chode or something.  At this point i didn't decide to burn every set to its end, I forgot that it always ends bad one way or another and didn't go over and make the best of a bad situation.  Lesson learned, this one hurt getting away from me since I didn't do everything I could have to burn it to the ground.

Thoughts:
Don't think, just listen to the core.  The core said if we were to leave the last girl, it'd be the last time I'd see her... but that going in and talking to her trying to convince her to ditch the friend and hang out with me was not too much more statistically significant in my favor
If I'm going to go logical, the only thing I should care about is choosing the path with the highest % of pulling her or gaining a further lead to follow up on later
Girl that is initially attracted to me off my presence/appearance or whatever + me opening direct from the core because I think she's gorgeous is such a deadly combination. 
In the way I try to get the first social set out of the way at the beginning of the night, i should kill 2 birds with 1 stone or at the very least get escalation hesitation out of the way at the beginning of the night as well
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1/10/09 Day 34

Went out today with a business client to fiddlesticks in West Village.  Pretty cool bar, we watched the Dallas-Philadelphia football game there.  Being a lifetime Dallas fan, I was more interested and pumped about the ass-whooping Dallas was giving to Philly than anything else.  Noticed tons of girls there though, so was a good sign.  Once the game concluded, I had a few doubts as to whether I could really switch gears quickly from football/fun mode to talking to girls all night.  Turns out, MPD is probably the toughest environment you can go to for night game in NYC (maybe Chelsea's a close second).  Client has an interesting/awesome approach to the game, we had seats by the bar and people were swarming around us to try to order drinks.  Usually I would've left that area to not get jostled around, but tons of hot girls were opening us trying to order drinks.  Provides such an easy way to get rolling and get the night started.  Talk to random people instinctively, meet some 2 set with a warpig and a pretty cute blonde jewish girl whose bday it was.  Talk with them awhile, business associate comes back and we switch girls for some reason, I talk to fat warpig to get social, she's qualifying as usual. 

After a bit of this and being primed to meeting girls (btw this was all within 10 minutes, I was so surprised I was able to switch states to quickly now), I left and roamed about like a free safety ready to hit girls :)  hit up a few, they all went really well even if they didn't translate into anything solid.  Was really in state, went back and saw client with this new hottie girl so doggy dinner bowling and grinding herself all over him in an attempt to seduce him.  Damn he's so money, he mentioned to me he's never quite as worried as I am when going out to be opening tons of sets since he knows any real interactions he has with women he always turns into deep things he can continue later or pull the same night.  I roam around with newfound fury, hit up a bunch more that went amazing since I had the fury.  My default opener is grabbing the hottest girl and telling her she's fucking adorable and making no apologies for it with a wry smirk, then pulling her into me and whispering into her ear to tell me what's the most interesting thing about her since I want to love her for more than just her body.

Invariably, most girls will stutter and not know, wracking their brains suddenly to qualify themselves, then i backturn, drop their hands that I was holding, and pretend to leave while they squeal for me to wait and to come back.  And yes, I still get plenty of girls who probably aren't receptive, but my memory is very selective and I don't really remember much of these, esp in a chill bar like that.  I also noticed I'm getting a lot more comfortable talking to mixed sets, maybe in part due to the heartbreaker last night of not doing a simple mixed set that could've resusitated my Sloan from Entourage.  I was just going into sets with a girl that wasn't already in a guy's arms or clearly with him already with not much hesitation.  In my mind it was just so fucking irrelevant what these chode fags had to think about me or say about me after last night's sting.  I open these 2 girls with these 3 guidoish looking dudes.  One of the girls was with one of them already, the other 2 were trying to wing/game the girl with some disgustingly bad game.  All that came to mind was this girl is fucking hot and she deserves better game than these jersey shore homos.  Went in straight for her, face 2 inches from her, told her she was fucking adorable.  She gives the typical "I'm not a ho" response giving me her name and "unwillingly" shaking my hand like some chode.  I call her out on it like I do all girls now (weird how common the patterns all blend together now, girls really aren't that original), saying that it's a sad fucking life if her introduction is so damn lame.  Falsetto imitate her lame introduction and a shot of straight adrenaline/life gets injects straight into the interaction.  Guys fly away, she's holding my hand, asking who I am incredulously like she can't believe I just did that.  I introduce myself, amuse myself some more and she's asking more incredulous shit like where I'm from and what I'm doing here.  I give her the I'm from Heaven line (thanks alex), then smirk and tell her I'm here to rock her world of course.  It's on, find out commonalities in health care industry profession, russian tall blonde, tell her we're going to hang out.  Get the number, she eagerly gives it to me, I call her and I actually entered it wrong so she complains that if she didn't double check we would've never chilled again.  I qualify her in the standard fashion to make sure 2 or 3 times to promise she won't forget who I am or have some retarded drunken memory that I'm some shell of how awesome I am.  She has to go to the bathroom, i follow her halfway, grab her, kiss her, she thanks me breathlessly and I tell her I'll see her later. 

See hot jewish blonde girl from beginning of night and warpig friend, I start vibing with them, warpig has to go to the bathroom but she knows what's up, she doesn't even tell the other girl she's leaving and just leaves.  I claw hot blonde into me, start going hard into SOI and escalation.  Qualify her and let her know she passed my somewhat strenuous standards, at least for now.  Talk to her, vibe, seductive listening, she's qualifying herself for over 10-15 minutes to me.  She's happy.  Kiss her, she thanks me happily as well, says she has to leave the bar after her friend comes back because her head's killing her.  Make her double or triple promise she won't forget me or remember me as some fucking lame dude from the bar (because, I tell her, I'm awesome) I get the digits, she leaves.

Open a few more sets, it's like 3:15 AM, debate leaving to meet up with Haze and B, go outside, but they're going home.  Decide to call it a night since I realized I was in the bar for more than 2 hours by myself since my client pulled so early.  Good night all in all, I'm slowly becoming the man I want to be without thinking much of it.  I"m glad I proved I am able to shift from logical and non-pickup mood to assassin (even if I'm not quite 100% deadly yet) so quickly now as well.  I'm free-flowing a lot easier and not having to think much.  Becoming a very conscious competent skill and when I hit state it becomes unconscious competence now.  I'm glad that I'm naturally talking to mixed sets more now since it's just not in my reality to curb myself or censor myself on behalf of chode faggots who are trying to game her with weak ass game.  For guys who are already with the girls and that are already into each other, I still am not at that level.  Will work on these things
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Bad ass bro.  Wish I could've been there ;)
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Dude, this post is insane!  Me, you and Haze have to go out. Me and Haze were challenging ourselves with some tough ass bars last night. Next time we go out, we're all pulling to Queens.
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Damn you even got chicks thanking you for kissing them, nice dude.
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Thanks for the kind words guys.

1/13/10

Went to MPD tonight with my semi-natural friend who I grew up idolizing (his sense of self-amusement at least).  Felt so drained and depleted from following up with my numbers that I felt this surge and addiction to going out.  Part of it is ego, since I cannot believe that out of 20 something numbers I got, that so few would respond or pan out to anything.  I've really only had like one interaction go really well and have the girl be into me afterwards (and only after some insanely witty text game).  It's quite deflating, those are single digit % interest rates amongst girls that I had (in my opinion) awesome interactions with... I have a feeling some chode that could potentially approach as many women as I have in the last few weeks would have had a higher % rate for the mere fact of being authentic through the whole ordeal.  It's very humbling and at the same time sad since I really wanted to leave behind that faggot ass pro button pusher who pushed buttons since he was too scared to put himself on the line.  I thought being a fast escalator was enough... if these percentages don't improve I'm going to have to re-evaluate though because this is NOT good enough for me.  This isn't 5% of girls I open = solid leads, this is 5% of solid girls that I ran solid game on that I failed to pull turning into solid leads... I don't know if it's more humbling or embarasssing...

Anyway went to 675 bar, but it was pretty dead.  Saw  5 set of girls with 3-4 guys, but didn't hop on the extra girl as my first set.  Bounced to gaslight + brass monkey, but they were literally so dead.  Went back to 675 bar, but they were closing.  I had such a rage about me because i didn't talk to anyone, and I just couldn't go home despite my friend wanting to, so we went to LES and I hit up Pianos, the last resort/measure for if there were any girls out in the city that night.  Dead downstairs in Pianos when we got there, but luckily upstairs it was decent and had some girls.  Instantly beelined for the first decent looking girl I saw not already with a guy courtesy of inspiration from the black eyed peas' new song on the radio earlier, introduced myself, hooked decently, but my mind was still too grinding and unsocial to push it further.  Ejected and felt free... this monkey is finally off my back.  Went on a tear and opened every single girl in the bar... and then some... and then went downstairs and opened some more.  I almost have this hesitancy to bring this button-pushing element back to my game since that's all my game comprised of for so long.. but after seeing my abysmal pull rate, I may start reconsidering--especially when considering the kind of life injected into my interactions when I pull some of the old garbage back in. 

I just hate being that dude that has to rely on techniques/routines to intrigue a girl.  I actually talked to a girl who was really attracted to me, but had to go make a call.  Saw her in a bit when she came back and beelined for her and just cavemanned her.  She was loving it, never letting go of my hand, never moving back when I put my face a few inches from hers etc.  She was from Rhode Island and was going back in a few hours, and I couldn't insta-bounce her for food so went for other sets around that had higher logistical chances.  Burned down multiple foreign sets, mixed sets, and some sets from out of town.  All of them went decently well, but no girls who were logistically down to be pulled.  Even getting the number was a for most girls, since they already know the only reason I'm going to call them is for sex.  Not that my numbers really had panned out to anything beforehand, but at least when i was a safe chode they'd be much more willing to give me their numbers if by some miracle I talked to some girls I didn't know (probably because I was no sexual threat to them like I am now).  

Semi-natural friend commented how he couldn't believe what he was seeing and how far I've come, he was put in freeze frame and couldn't even wing for me which was odd since it used to be the other way around.  I was just kind of meh since I really wanted to pull and fuck a girl tonight.  Girl that I had the best interaction with saw me burn the whole bar down in front of her, when I went back to re-engage her, she looked a bit hurt and didn't want to talk to me anymore... i guess cuz she felt like she was just a random number that happened to react well to me (which in reality no matter how fucked up it sounds is closer to the truth than anything lol...)  Couldn't even get her number, it was bad.

So much fury, but nothing left to do by 3:30 AM.  Bounced for food and then home..  Thank God for Adderral or else I would die iin the 1-1.5 horus that I had to wake up in now... but at least my insatiable appetite for women is temporarily sated.
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1/14/10-1/16/10

Went out Thursday with Summa to MPD, bounced around opened some sets but was generally dead so convinced him to goto LES instead of calling it a night.  Hit up Pianos, Dark Room, Max Fish.  Decent sets, got columbian girl's number with blue hair, but didn't have the intent this day.

Friday was pretty bad, car's skid protector dislodged while backing out of my driveway, making my car undrivable.  Had to bum a ride from friends, who were going to park.  I figure it's always a good challenge for me to see if I am who I really am even when I'm around others who aren't into talking to random girls.  Had a ton of pretty decent interactions upstairs, but there were wayyyy too many asians there.  The hotter asians who get put on a pedestal by every single asian dude all have stupidly situational confidence.  I'd open and expect her to qualify herself, even bait her, and she'll stand firm.  She'll try to pressure me into doing some gay shit like buy them drinks or something and I'm just like forget this you aren't even worth my time, i'm not even attracted to you but unfortunately because of the demographics here and my lack of ride, I have no choice.  Got some pretty harsh blowouts, lost my work blackberry, lost my coat check ticket, have to wait to get my coat, have to pay like 250 or something for a new blackberry, and the last set I ended my night on before I realized my phone was missing was a really bad blowout from some korean girl who was clearly the hottest there but probably a 7 at best on my scale.  My ego couldn't handle it, it's like why are we talking to these girls you obviously aren't very attracted to, to deal with their stupid ass asian social conditioning, all so in the end she can berate you for being cheap and not following protocol and buying her a drink and this and that.  That + Losing my phone + car troubles just killed my night at the end.  Was in a really negative state after we left, but the park called and said they found my blackberry so my mood got better... or so I thought...

Saturday went out to park to pick up my phone, turns out it's a different blackberry that got lost that night so mine is still missing.  Pretty annoyed and traces of last night's negativity came back.  Walked over to 675, whole crew was there so that was cool.  Having cool and competant people around you definitely brings up your general state/vibe.  Got started relatively quickly with some married english teacher, vibed well, had her laughing, she made some comment about how she was gonna tell her husband about these asian dudes hitting on her and i was like you're prolly gonna leave out the part where u made out with the hottest one right--> go for the makeout and she giggled and turned away.  Told me to go and get laid by some more fun and available girls since there were so many around.  Fair enough.  Bounce around, all sets opened pretty well.

Saw 3 set with 2 of the crew occupying 2 of them, so hopped on the third.  When she turned around I was like wow this girl is hot, and everything flowed right from the start.  Super receptive, laughing wildly at my vibing that wasn't even that sharp, holding hands.  She's from CT, I tell her I'm going to make her my NY gf, and she said she had a BF already, and I countered by saying once you leave state lines those restrictions on her person were lifted.  If what happens in vegas can stay in vegas than what happen when we go at it in new york can as well :)  She's wildly attracted and holding each other etc, do eye gazing/seductive listening, feel like kissing her so grab her head and kiss her.  She totally wasn't expecting it but was kinda pleasantly surprised, her friend saw this though and ran in and dragged away.  Next time I went over to engage her after running around for another 10 minutes talking to some people she was a little more standoffish and logical, being very firm she couldn't cheat on her bf etc etc.  Couldn't get the number either, oh well.

Bounced to gansevoort, wild change of events... almost every girl i opened in 675 was super receptive, my first 8 girls I talked to at gansevoort were straight up blowouts.  Felt a bit out of state, but kept the pedal to the medal after chilling for a bit and clearing my head.  Felt like a blur for the rest of the night, don't remember much but at least some sets opened up.  Nothing too solid, some super wrinkled cougar opens me and I tool her logical chode questions with illogicality, to which she says how awesome i am and how she's going to set me up with her daughter or something.  Was fun though and I'm sure each time I go out and successfully practice my craft, it gets that much better.
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1/17/10

Went out today because tomorrow is MLK.  Raining and miserable down in LES, a bit dead but there's definitely some sets around.  Watched football all day and was in a super spectator mindset, didn't have a bunch of people from the crew to fall back on either so it was hard.  Eventually opened, but as is the case almost half the nights I go out, I don't have that fire and that like... inner polarity within me that knows EXACTLY why i am out; not just on a logical level.  Stayed out by myself for awhile after friend left, nothing I did went anywhere though because I wasn't pushing it.  Just being Mr. social enough so that I was in neutral momentum and opening enough sets not to dip into negative.  I knew in my head I should be escalating, but I couldn't tap into that raw reason why to escalate.  Finally left around 1:30 feeling a bit down on myself because there were still sets around to talk to, but I knew I was wasting my time by going in there without that intent... plus I wasn't in any positive momentum so each opening was such a chore.

Debriefing by myself at home, reading the module in a book I consider the holy grail of masculine polarity, mindsets, and just in general what being a man means... a lot of stuff I've been going through lately just all clicks, and only a few pages into it.

I've been escalating lately usually because i want to find out if she likes me, or maybe if she's really hot and it's already going well.  I almost never escalate with a girl who hasn't given me at least neutral signs.  In reality, the only real way I've been able to turn around sets that haven't gone well at all was escalating regardless by some fluke.  RAS is so weird like that, I guess the old adage of "It is not see and you will believe, believe and you will see" is especially true even in this.

To quote a passage from the module:

Escalation is not a technique to find out if she really likes you.
Escalation is simply an attractive quality that helps you get laid. Just like qualifying is.  You wouldn’t take it personally if you tried to qualify a girl and she gave you a one word answer. Then why do you take it personally if you go to kiss her and she turns her cheek
?

This really resonated with me, I haven't been seeing escalation as something I AM, or an attribute of myself, I've been seeing it more as something you do to try to pump a girl's BT or advance the seduction or most importantly seeing if she likes you.  It's the very fact that a man escalates quickly on a woman, staying true to his desires and core that attracts her in the first place.

Another quote that absolutely hits the egoic BS of what I've been struggling with so on the head:

A handjob would be nice but I feel just as good getting my ego stroked. 
You know the theories very well. Make her say no. Blow me or blow me out. But the problem is you don’t really want to get blown or blown out. You are fine just settling for her smiling and laughing at your jokes. This makes you feel really good. You want to walk away a winner and not push things too far. We need to realize how good it feels to just have a girl hangout with us and smile. Most guys are content with that. We would rather enjoy a womans company then escalate if we think that making a move will end the interaction.
  The only problem is that good feeling won’t last. And it won’t last because she will ditch you the moment she meets a guys who she has a sexual connection with.

Guy just want things to end good so they can have their little story about how they got a hot girls number or flirted with a really attractive woman. It’s an ego thing. They didn’t escalate because they didn’t want things to end bad. But it always ends bad. Every single time.  Follow everything to its conclusion.  Every set. Every number. Every girl. Every time. Unless you get the girl it will always end bad. And at some point it will eventually end bad with her as well. And that’s fine.

These once magical interactions end with her ignoring your texts or flaking on meets. Or maybe it ends up really awkward where at first you had a strong connection but because you never escalated that connection faded. Sometimes you have to end it badly by ignoring her or telling her that you don’t feel a sexual connection with her. 

Either way it always ends bad.


I do not escalate for HER, I escalate for me.  While I am developing the escalator attribute into unconscious competence, I am doing so because I need the practice to incorporate it into my identity.  When it becomes second nature, I am still doing it for me because it is who I am.  This is just like opening girls; it's not for their sake, it is for mine.  I've spent a few years perfecting cocky & funny on every single girl I encountered whether friend or acquaintance or stranger; and in the same way it's not like I have to sleep with every girl who is attracted to me if I escalated on her and I'm not biologically attracted to her.  What a breath of fresh air it is to have something to realign you when you veer off-course
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