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Haze & Ecstasy: 30 Days to Rock Your Mind
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Ecstasy

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This thread is going to be my chronicle for my post-BC 30 day challenge along with HazePUA.  On top of going out for 30 days straight, I am also going to not drink for 30 days (believe me that will probably be harder than going out for 30 days) and some other personal goals that I will not chronicle here but will be implementing in life.  As of this thread, I just got back from BC and am going to start immediately.  Hopefully this or my BC thread will be of use to whoever reads it.  By the way, if you're not accustomed to peak performance, the cycles of habit development, etc.  I would not recommend anyone mirror tackling multiple new habits in 1 month.  I've built up to being able to juggle 2 new habits a month comfortably, I've laid the groundwork to do 3 this month if I really push myself, so that's what I'll aim for. 

Ecstasy's Tyler BC Thread:
http://www.rsdnation.com/node/141629
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Ecstasy's Dec 3-5 2009 LA Tyler BC Success Story:
www.rsdnation.com/node/141629

Ecstasy's Ecstatically Elaborate FR Thread
http://www.rsdnation.com/node/144180
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#1

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12/6/09 Pre-30 Day Challenge

Got home from bootcamp in LA at around 4 PM EST, took a nap for 3 or 4 hours and went to Union Square to meet up with Haze.

Shot the shit, talked about BC, talked logistics for the next 30 days, talked to some girls, Definitely was NOT in the mood to be social, but it's definitely much easier to shift from anti-social to just being a social person in general outside the aspect of pickup post-BC.  Did a couple approaches and winged haze for one in particular

Takeaways:
1.  Remember to be conscious of what level of communication I'm interacting with women in--have to constantly remind myself to stay in man to woman instead of friend to friend.
2.  Day game or not, a hot girl that inspires attraction in me should be getting escalated on hard.  The only way a real hottie should be leaving is on a bad note if she wants no part of you. 
3.  A woman fleeing from you before you can get to her is the only way she can escape being attracted to you when you interact with her as a man from a woman.
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Ecstasy's Dec 3-5 2009 LA Tyler BC Success Story:
www.rsdnation.com/node/141629

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That's right.  XTC and I will be filling the skies with our drug induced haze.  We're gonna tear this motherfucker hard.  OG's are in the fucking house.

X and I go way back, he was my original wing and friend when I discovered the community.  He's long been on the DL but I'm happy he's finally coming forth to do this challenge with me.

Some ground rules for the next 30 days:

1. 5 approaches minimum.
2. For every girl that he or I want to approach and we do not, will deserve a mighty backhand of epic proportion.  Chode slaps for being a chode.
3. Only criteria is opening.  However, we will continuously be pushing into harder sets.  If a set is pointed out and not opened, a chode slap shall be delivered.
4. NO TALKING ABOUT GAME AT ANY TIME WHILE OUT.  Game talk will be reserved for this forum or through instant messaging.
5. First approach MUST be done with the first 10 minutes of arriving at a particular location.  No standing around scanning or walking around doing nothing.  THIS IS SPARTA BITCHES.
6. Embarrassing unstifling exercises will commence if the 10 minutes arrive with no girls approached.

Most importantly:
7. NO STANDING AROUND LOOKING LIKE SOMEONE STRANGLED YOUR KITTEN, THIS SHIT IS TO BE FUN.  Enjoyment bitches.  2nd modality of Tolle.  We're gonna have fun no matter fucking what.

However many hours we decide to dedicate, 5 approaches must be done within that time frame.  I know I want to dedicate 2 hours a day at least.  X is probably going to do 1 hour during the workweek.  Righto so onto my FR.

Pre - 30 Day Challenge

XTC already told most of what happened.  I'll just explain my side.  Did 3 approaches today at USQ.  2 approaches had cute girls, one did not.  Choded on a really hot girl I wanted to open but XTC ended up opening so at least someone salvaged it.

My only approach worth mentioning is 2 Indian girls standing around smoking.  I open the cuter one.  They think it's a bit strange I'm opening them but I continue and talk to her.  X comes in and wings me shortly after.

For those that are curious here's a sample of what I sound like when I'm in low energy vibing mode.  I usually don't remember this shit but I remember it fairly clearly here:

Me: How old are you?
Her: 26
Me: Really?  You don't look 26...
Her: How old do I look?
Me: 430.
Her: *shocked* Oh wow.  That's not good.
Me: Actually wouldn't it be cool to have lived through 4 centuries?
Her: No...
Me: I think it would be cool.  I would be like the Highlander.  There can be only ONE!!!
Her: *laugh*

I eventually stall the fuck out and once they finish their cigarettes, they go.  Oh well.

So that's my pre-challenge FR.  Should be interesting for the next month.
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12/7/09 - Day 1

Went to USQ after work, just walked around enjoying myself at first waiting for Haze, ignoring one of the core tenets to gain momentum ASAP once out.  Day game is more chill, but it doesn't mean the same principles don't apply.  I wouldn't think about going to a club at night and be picky about who I talk to, I shouldn't begin day game that way either.  Ended up only talking to 2 different girls, then gained so much negative momentum that I started caring about the quality of my words/remarks and actually thinking about what I was going to say instead of just letting it flow.  Lesson learned, even in day game I must approach immediately and build momentum.  Also, no girls are below me to talk to, if for no other reason than to keep my momentum and reaction time sharp so that when the hottie walks by and I have a half second window to open, I do so.

Some additional ground rules for myself I will adopt:
From the moment I step outside, I will talk to a girl the first girl I find attractive within 2 minutes, if none are spotted,  I will open the first girl that crosses my vision after the buzzer sounds
If I cannot open with straight intent, I will swallow my pride and open situationally until I can do so
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Ecstasy's Dec 3-5 2009 LA Tyler BC Success Story:
www.rsdnation.com/node/141629

Ecstasy's Ecstatically Elaborate FR Thread
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3 approaches today.  Totally gay.  I will start off with 2 chode slaps immediately tomorrow.

First was a cutie blonde on her phone on her way to dance class.  Actually opens well enough.

Second was a hot blonde walking fast.  I catch up to her.  Opened like a sexless amoeba chode.  Not a good reaction.

Third was a chick waiting for the light smoking a cigarette.  Open her and scare her.  I laugh and SOI.  She says thanks and walks off.

Lots of girls I let pass by which in turn generates negative social momentum.  I had quite a realization that it's these moments, when your sitting there with so much negative momentum and the girl is sitting there, that you need to push through or else you will never grow.  These are the moments that either define you as a man or a chode.  For every one you do not approach, you strengthen your chode reality.  For every one you do approach, you weaken it.  Without pain there can be no growth.

Man the fuck up.

I was going to go to Times Square to do my last 2 sets but I got so tired I just went home.  Was falling asleep while driving.  Not good.

Never again will I leave without meeting my 5 approach minimum.  This is unacceptable.  I don't cop out like that, I am a man of integrity.

It was nice to be able to walk around by myself.

Gotta remember to enjoy what I'm doing.  Talking to cute girls is pure enjoyment, not work.
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Quote:
Lots of girls I let pass by which in turn generates negative social momentum. I had quite a realization that it's these moments, when your sitting there with so much negative momentum and the girl is sitting there, that you need to push through or else you will never grow. These are the moments that either define you as a man or a chode. For every one you do not approach, you strengthen your chode reality. For every one you do approach, you weaken it. Without pain there can be no growth.
I needed to revise this.

So it's dawned on me that instead of fighting my emotions and fighting negative social momentum, I should focus more on what's inside my circle of influence when I'm in such a state.  In other words, developing a more humble approach, swallowing my pride and small tasking things so I stop the negative social momentum first, then start turning it around one small step at a time.

this definitely seems much more managable as well as practical, instead of trying to do some seemingly monumental task.  I'm going to work on this approach from now on when I'm out.
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12/8/09 - Day 2

Nothing much of significance to write about, went out to USQ, st marks, murray hill - did a few approaches with weak intent.  Need to work on decreasing my reaction time and increasing my impulsiveness.  Thursday-Saturday cannot roll around soon enough, I feel out of my element in day game.

Things to work on:
1.  start listening more closely to what my impulses say and to act on them immediately to train my reaction speed down and get my impulsiveness up
2.  Holding my impulses in the highest regard -- nothing is more important than listening to them
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Ecstasy's Dec 3-5 2009 LA Tyler BC Success Story:
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Forgot to chode slap myself today but I did manage to do 6 approaches.

First approach the girl gave me a good response but I didn't push it.  Should've went for the number.

Second was a married Asian girl outside B&N.

Third was another Asian in a 2 set I believe.

Fourth was on the street.  Core girl.  Put her in freeze frame.  She ended up having a bf.  She complimented me on how brave I was.

5th was another core girl.  Must have been Russian.  Sexy tight leather pants.  She was in a rush but she opened well.

Don't remember my 6th, it was mixed in there somewhere.

Thoughts:
1. Going in strong is crucial, you need to show you are a man right off the bat.  It's the difference between her being attracted or completely blowing you off.
2. Don't think negatively.  Think about the positives but remain humble as well.  I met my quota and I went in strong on some very cute girls.
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12/9/09 - Day 3

I definitely feel like going out every day has helped to keep my mind sharp and social, it really helps to counteract against the flow of incessant and nonstop logical BS that I have to deal with as a professional at work and in my own business as well.  I'm much more random, and naturally communicate with more emotion than some logical stuff.

Anyway today I tried out building a bunch of momentum all at once in day game as opposed to roaming about looking for cute sets--to make things even easier I'd stand at the corner of a busier intersection in SoHo and ask average to good looking girls who came too close where xyz street was.  Since no one has time to talk to one another on NYC, most people will try to not let you slow them down a bit but still help you by shouting the answer to you while never really slowing down.  My approach has been to ask where xyz street was, then as soon as she answered, I'd immediately put my hand up in a stop gesture and ask how many streets down it was (I think it was like 5 or 6).  This actually forces them to think for a bit and stop whatever they were doing, but it seems totally normal to them.  This is where the direct intent comes in, and then I transition quick and hard into a conversation where the pre-tense is man talking to woman because she's hot.

Comparatively, I've had much more success with this, maybe because when I go in direct from the get-go in day game it's direct in every way--and usually it's cute tall skinny blonde girls with their headphones on.  They usually get startled since they're usually in their own world thinking about the errand/place they have to be, then when they recover slightly they ask why is this guy talking to me look, then oh, he's hitting on me, then carrying on the momentum of being startled, she ends the interaction.  Conversely, the way I'm doing it now gels much better in her reality of what's cool during the day.  She goes from in her own world, to oh this guy is asking for something standard--turn off the alarm bells, then oh!   this guy I'm talking to totally thinks I'm cute yay

The difference in real world time is only about 2-4 seconds between meet to SOI, but those 2-4 seconds seem to get me much better since she's much more receptive after she's shut off the "is this guy safe or dangerous" bells.  So yeah, I'm not advocating anyone to go out and play the oh hey let me just be social and talk a girl as an asexual faggot and hope to God that she likes me and takes some of the responsibility out of my hands.  I look at this game as a conversion game especially since I'm in entrepreneurial business; I do what works best for me, you have to find what works best for you and do the same.  

So anyway after doing this for like a few minutes, I'm out of that logical mindspace and I roam about ready to strike at cute girls.  See a hottie asian girl walking down the steps from her apartment-- I command her to help me find Thompson St and then immediately scan the street signs, she goes through the progression of who's this->comfortable-->deep in thought about how to get there.  I shift my focus completely onto her, look her up and down and then break her out of thoughts with

XTC: You know, I just realized... you're totally cute!
G: Oh my gosh, Thank you!
XTC: Lucky me, the person I get to ask directions for is such a cutie
G: *blushes, giggles, and looks at ground*
XTC: Well then, while I wait for your GPS to calculate the route, let me meet you.  *holds hand up in her face to shake* What's your name?
G: *name*, yours?
XTC:  *still haven't broken eye-contact or let go of her hand*
XTC: I'm XTC... girl girl girl... you have soft hands (caressing)
G:  *DDB look*

Then the door opens behind her, I let go of her hand on impulse, and some dude walks over to her, I kind of paniced and broke the vibe asking where the street was again and they give me directions between the two.  and I thank them and leave, noting that the guy and girl didnt' seem to be together... :X

Anyway I'm kind of glad the no-rust days are over.  The next 3 days are super-bowl days with night game.  I've had the realization today that I've been doing a lot of "self-amusing" things incongruently, because I was thinking of it in terms of I'm taking value from others and just pushing myself through my resistance to do it anyway--when in reality as a very wise mentor mentioned to me it should be more like an 8 year old boy running about and having the time of his life.

The kid doesn't have malicious intent, he doesn't go around creating resistance in himself and then pushing through it; he does what he does because he is listening to his core.  Furthermore, it's quite liberating to know that just like the child, it's not MY duty to be watching out for others or anything-- it's entirely up to OTHERS to stop me if they cannot tolerate my behavior.  I'm not being that annoying ass rambunctious kid because I am deliberately trying to be off, but because I can't help it.

Can't wait to hit up the clubs/bars/lounges
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Ecstasy's Dec 3-5 2009 LA Tyler BC Success Story:
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Ecstasy's Ecstatically Elaborate FR Thread
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Did 1 in Soho.  Not a bad interaction at all, walked with her for a bit, bantered back and forth.  She brings up the bf, I ignore the frame and continue on.

Walked around a bit then decide to go to USQ.

Sit in my car and end up reading.  After a while I decide, fuck it.  I head back home to work on some music.  Didn't really feel like pushing anything today.
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Thursday December 11th 2009

Hit up Gans, Gaslight, Brass Monkey, LES.  Did 8 in total.

Gans opened a blonde passing by with her friend.  Went in strong, opened very well.  Let them go and told them I'd find them later (translation: I stalled).

Did my next one at Gaslight.  Again, tall Asain looking girl passes.  Stop her hard, it opens well.  I let her go again as I have "nothing to say".

Next was a 3-set.  Really happy with this one.  Went in totally rockstar mode.  SOI my target, tell her I want to kiss her.  She backs up hard.  I stall and eject.

Open these 2 girls outside smoking.  Go in kinda weak but I'm in good state so I don't even think.  Doesn't go anywhere.

At Brass Monkey I open a 2-set.  Shit totally bombs.  Not because I opened bad, these girls were just bleh.

Next I hit on the waitress by accident.  Ejected that one.

I open a pretty brunette.  Talk all logical with her, fairly nice girl but we're in boring convo mode.

Next is an Asian with her friends.  Open kinda weak here and she's not interested.

We go to LES.  I can't open.  State has dropped.  It's totally weird, whenever I have a state drop, I get really strong AA all over again.  I need to draw out a chart of what this looks like.

Head home at 2am.
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