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Contradiction on Blueprint - someone please help!
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wlad

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Join Date: 11/30/2009 | Posts: 42

Guys,

I have a major doubt about the blueprint. After I watched it, I stopped doing that many approaches, and some nights I even do none. My wing is crazy at RSD/Blueprint thinking that it ruined me! LOL

The thing is - If I'm not in state, and it works, it means I was just lucky. I don't want my game to be based on luck, so I'm not approaching when I'm not in state.

At the same time, Tyler says to approach even if you are not in state. Why should I do that ? That for me is the same as saying - you can only kill a polar bear if you have a weapon. Well, if you don't have a weapon, you try to kill the polar bear even though. It makes no sense!! First you get the weapon, then you kill the bear.

I'm re-wacthing it now, hoping that it will come clear this time, but I would love some help to clarify why should I approach out of state, in a scenario I have no chance to suceed by the core value that I can transmit.
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maddd0g

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You ARE state.
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At the start of the night you have no "momentum." You look at the venue and it's weird to think that you will have talked to many or all of them by the end of the night. Most guys mistake this for a lack of "state" or confidence when in reality it is merely a lack of momentum. 

Hence every time you approach it is a success because it is LEADING you to a state of momentum. You start off just mingling with the approaches going nowhere because if you keep doing it then by the end of the night you will be kicking ass. 

The more you acknowledge this change that takes place over the course of teh night, the more you will be comfortable at the start of each night when you lack momentum.  
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TheRealScarFace wrote:



wlad wrote:


At the same time, Tyler says to approach even if you are not in state. Why should I do that ? That for me is the same as saying - you can only kill a polar bear if you have a weapon. Well, if you don't have a weapon, you try to kill the polar bear even though. It makes no sense!! First you get the weapon, then you kill the bear.


the analogy isnt completely correct.

It's more like making a commitment to going to the gym, even when you emotionally don't feel like going.

Nope. If you don't feel like going to the gym and go nonetheless, you might lift not as much as you normally do, but you will lift some weights which is the goal.
If you don't feel like approaching, if you're not in state, you'll get blow out. It's like you normally lift 100kg and suddenly you can't even lift your bottle of water (in which case it's not useful to try to lift weights).
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Kirra

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Why let yourself be limited by "state"?
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So you are walking down the street, and you se a gorgeous woman sitting on a bench by herself.

Do you:

1) Approach even though you are out of "State"?

2) Do not approach because you are out of "State"?

3) Build some state in the middle of the street by doing wierd shit, and then approaching?

Think about it, I hope you pick the right answer its easy.

Whats wrong with "State"

"State" has been overrated and many people here unfortunately do not understand the concept of it, and it has become a cruch and an avoidance stratergy!

A lot of people use not having state as a crutch not to approach, oh Im out of state, i cannot approach.

What "State" really means


"State" is a "being" of comfort in your environment/to your current activity.

Thats it, very simply put: a "being" of comfort in your environment.

After doing 5 sets at a nightclub why do you hit state?

Because after 5 sets you become comfortable approaching girls, its not magic.

(I go to the gym, I cannot be bothered to do my first exercise, because you know I just got out of work I just wanna go home and sleep, but I do it anyway, and move on to the next one, and I do the next one, and bam I am in comfort mode, and working out becomes easy, I get into the zone or "State".

What Jeffy talks about when he says "burning bush fire" and "searing hot coal" (correct me if Im wrong) are two types of comfort:

"burning brush fire": is the comfort where you are going a bit crazy, your almost tapping into the dancing monkey frame, you dont really have much focus on anything (like a goal or something) you are just experiencing a high amount of comfort and you are just having fun and going crazy.

"searing hot coal": you are in a zone of really focused comfort, you are aware of your surroundings, you can read the dynamics of what is going arround you and you know how to handle the situation, you are really relaxed, and you are projecting a focused energy around yourself, people can sence it, when dealing with pickup its a relaxed focused sexual state, you can still do high energy game and dance floor game in this "state" but you project a magnetic sexual energy at your girl.

(Somethig along those lines anyway)

I would sugest to people, to practice to approach without "State",

Contrevercial?

I dunno, maybe, I dont think so,

but once you get into state, "Stifle" yoursefl to drop out of state and approach "Stateless" again, do a 30 day mission of doing this, you will notice after probably 2 weeks that you do not need "state" at all, as you get the "state" without even noticing, or you will have comfort at all times.*

Remember, this pickup stuff, do not make it a weekend hobby, make it part of you,

Real born naturals do not just turn on their naturalness on over the weekend, they are natural and attractive all the time, and you should evolve as one person with one destination, otherwise you will have an identity crisis no matter how much Tolle you listen to.

*Your ideal goal in this social dynamic, and your life, should be to always be comfortable by default wherever you are.


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'The self always shines through'
If you think well of yourself in general then state won't stop that from coming through.
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wlad

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Whoa, I got some real nice replies out there.

@10Pin
Right. I'm currently re-watching the entire program again right now, I hope I can get it right. The thing is not really getting blown out, the thing is running out of things to say. If you are not in state, and you don't use canned material, you are going to just stare her, and eventually she will give you a back turn. If you go to that "just way whatever you want" or "say what comes in your head" I would start saying : "whoa, it's amazing how my head becomes blank when I go talk to girls". Also, I would love to know how that "indifference threshold --> good times " happens. I think I already have the indifference threshold, because I don't really care when I get blown out, but I can't find approaching woman a funny thing to do ( when you are not doing well). Maybe I didn't hit the threshold yet ? what do you think ?

@maddd0g
I know being in state is something you are, not something you do. However, if you "aren't" state, you have to take action to become it. I need to figure out that action! What worked for you ?

@(+) Amor
Reaching the indifference threshold, that's something to look forward! I have some problems there too ... Like, I think I already got it. In the sense of I don't care that much if I get blown out. Sometimes my wing will point a girl, and I'll try to hook, even knowing that I have a high blow-out probability ... Now how can I know that I already hit the indifference threshold ?  (BTW, Amor means love in portuguese, if you don't know that already ;) 

@Dave
Wow, I think you really hit the point there. I am implying that I'm only worthwhile if I'm in state. I know what is a wrong idea, but, hey, why is that wrong ? I'm only worthwhile if I have value, and I only have value ( in the eyes of the girls) if I'm subcommunicating it ( therefore, being in state). About being self forgetting, I think I am. Even on the nights I have bad game with girls, I usually enjoy rolling with my friends, and dancing to the music ( I luv dance! i would go out just for it) I just don't feel that impulse to approach girls that I was supposed to get by enjoying the night ... Sometimes I get that "what's wrong with me" feeling, but just when I get home .... Also, would love to know the details about how to convey value while not being in state.

About the polar bears ... well, if you've been a chode at any point of your life, you know that to approach girls can feel like even worst than killing a polar bear!

@jlaix
I think you really hit the point too. I'll definitively think of that when I'm out. Pat me in the back and say "hey dude, let's go get some momentum!" and keep doing non-glorious approaches, see what happens. Also ... 61% lay rate! WOA! I wish SO MUCH brazil was closer to san francisco! ;)

@TheRealScarFace
@Gseus pretty much said what I would say. But what you said agrees with @jlaix, you have to commit in getting momentum, or you won't do it.

@Kirra
It's not that I let myself be limited by state. It's that I learned that things will work if I'm in state. So when I'm not in state, I think the lack of state is causing not being able to do well with the girls. But as @jlaix said, that could be just lack of momentum ...

@Goran~
Before I studied state, I would do 1. But now that I know that state is THAT important to the result, I would either do 2 or 3. If I just wanted to practise my social skills, maybe I could try 1 too ... What you said about state complements what @jlaix said. Comfort really is the momentum. And the gym analogy was GREAT, it helped me to get the feeling ( what you said happened to me when I went to the gym too)

@Remco~
that's the problem ... I don't have the reference experiences that allow me to feel good about myself talking with woman ... but I'm working on it. I don't remember what Tyler said about how to leave the newbie paradox, but I'm going to pick that up on the re watch.



So I think I figured out the contradiction. You have to be willing to really get blown up a lot, before you can finally find comfort, hit state and start getting it right. Right ?
To sum up, what I learned is that I need to force myself to approach some sets at the start, to gain momentum and comfort on the field. Even though I totally suck at those first sets. That will allow me to comfortably reach the indifference threshold and hit state. Hopefully as times goes, the number of dummy sets required to "get started" will reduce! :)

Now I need to think about a strategy to force myself ... because when I'm out there next friday I know that the AA will hit me hard and I'll need a nice plan to allow my mind to "give me the manual" .. and I will need something to say to the woman I meet while not in state ..  :)

Thanks a lot for the amazing help guys!
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the whole point is to get momentum like jeffy said.

i suggest you "burn down some venues"
just go talking to every girls just for the sake of talking.

worry about pick up after your are completely secure that you KNOW you can start and continue a conversation

after that, mack on
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Mongo, yeah! I'm going to do that next week. But then, what am I going to say to the girls ? When I approach out of state my mind just goes completely BLANK, it's terrible ..

Like, I walk up, say hi ... most of times she will say hi ... when she doesn't I insist a little bit and she will talk .. then I notice something about her, make a comment about it ... and then she just acknowledges it .. and unless something else comes to my mind to say to her ... she turns back and ..."puff ... goooone!" ... :D if it's a dance floor, it's even trickier, you gotta come up with really SOMETHING to make her stop dancing, and trying to listen to you ....

Thing is, when you are in state, everything is taken care of because you are in touch with your personality, and she is attracted seconds after you open, and it's all good. But when doing these momentum sets, I get lost with the "run out of things to say" ... thinking now, maybe I didn't hit the indifference threshold yet ... maybe when I really don't care about the outcome, my mind won't be blank and I will come up with stupid things to say to her ...

But the idea that I have to open more sets and get to the indifference threshold looks like the way to go now!

I can't wait till friday! And I'll try to pull some day-game sets on my routine too ...
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wlad wrote:
Guys,

I have a major doubt about the blueprint. After I watched it, I stopped doing that many approaches, and some nights I even do none. My wing is crazy at RSD/Blueprint thinking that it ruined me! LOL

The thing is - If I'm not in state, and it works, it means I was just lucky. I don't want my game to be based on luck, so I'm not approaching when I'm not in state.

At the same time, Tyler says to approach even if you are not in state. Why should I do that ? That for me is the same as saying - you can only kill a polar bear if you have a weapon. Well, if you don't have a weapon, you try to kill the polar bear even though. It makes no sense!! First you get the weapon, then you kill the bear.

I'm re-wacthing it now, hoping that it will come clear this time, but I would love some help to clarify why should I approach out of state, in a scenario I have no chance to suceed by the core value that I can transmit.
Your main problem? Your stuck in your head. Mentally, your so caught up with all the noise & psyche masturbation, your outter game is non-existent. FUck off with all the bullshit and chop bitches like it was your last day ever.
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