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Game in your natural state (Epic post)
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Fingerman

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Wow, awesome idea man. I've been trying to get into state whenever I go into bars. I start smiling more, acting super happy etc.. I needed to force this when I first started because I didn't do it naturally. Now it just comes off as too much. 
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 I had the same experience a couple of days ago. I always heard the advice 'Chill Out' but I was always putting on a fake smile, or addicted to being pumped in a fireworks like state. I was like this for at least 6 months. I dont know how or why but I just dropped the whole needing to be smiling all the time and actually for probably the first time chilled out. It felt awesome. So fucking awesome. I actually stopped judging girls and started appreciating everything about them even more without even realising I was doing it, till a couple of days later. Girls I would have previously rated a 5 were attractive. And girls i would have rated a 9 were even more attractive. 

That chilled state felt like more like a normal state since I wasn't doing anything. I use to think that I had to keep a smile on my face so that she knew I was feeling good or be in an excited state (like the raging brushfire). But i just felt so good and started talking to a girl. 

I wasn't even trying to pull her, I was just sharing and enjoying the moment. I actually started to go more into my head at one point because being like this wasn't familiar. But it felt normal.

Best way i could describe it was that I felt 'High on life'.

Awesome post dude. I really understand what your saying. 
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solid n' epic

Natural state = natural congruency

I still use alot of self amusement though. I mean, self amusement as when you only amuse your self, and not: "amusing self so others see you are happy"

but again, self amusement for me is just one way of not caring what other peoplez think and living in mah own bubbl3, but not everyone has these random desires as i okely dokely do!
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This rhymes a lot with a meditation style called Vipassana.... and its gives radical results, if you are patient enough and are willing to put in the effort...
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Frenchboy wrote:
Pleasure is not good, it’s merely a sensation.
Explain this please. Why would I pursue something if not for the sake of it being a good thing?
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Frenchboy wrote:
First of all, I would like to say that this is an epic post.

Did you know that it was possible to wake up in the morning and go out on the street BY YOURSELF and meet a girl and make a connection instantly?

Did you know that it was possible to feel harmonious and peaceful all the time?

Did you know that you can be in a pick up kind of mind even after working for 10 hours or with no sleep for 2 days?

Did you know that it could be 100% normal to pick up the phone and call a girl that you just met, go have a drink and sleep with her?

All that while remaining in your normal state of mind?

That’s what I call gaming in your natural state of mind. To me the natural state of mind would be when you wake up in the morning. It also includes when you’re hungry, tried, sad, happy, whatever.

Your state of mind is your state of mind. It doesn’t actually change. It’s like a switch that’s on and off. It’s the same switch, just at a slightly different angle.

By putting emphasis on the fact that the switch is on, you automatically put emphasis on the fact that it will be off. By putting emphasis on the fact that you’re in a good state, you’re putting emphasis on the fact that you will be in a bad state.

If you just put emphasis on the fact that you’re state is normal, then you’re putting emphasis on the fact that your state will be normal. State can’t be abnormal. It’s like a switch. It can be on and off. But it can’t be abnormal. It’s just a switch.

Actually, I just say normal but even no qualifier would be even better. Just state. Not good. Not bad. Not normal. This way. It can’t go in any direction.

Emotions, feelings and sensations come and go. It’s their nature. Pain is merely a feeling. Fatige is merely a sensation. Happiness is merely an emotion. Why would you focus on something that is so ephemeral? Wake up people! This doesn’t make sense.

Look at whatever you’re feeling and just look at it. Don’t put emphasis on it by talking about it, labelling it, hating it or even LOVING it. Love for a sensation brings craving which brings desire which brings unsatisfaction wich brings you not picking up and taking action and calling your numbers and approaching which brings you to not getting laid.

I’ll tell you a story.

It’s about a little man called Dave. Dave loves being in state. He goes out with friends. Picks up women. Has fun. Loves life. He feels soooo happy.

Next day Dave wakes up. He feels tired. He doesn’t call his numbers. He doesn’t feel like it. He feels like working on the computer. He feels even more like crap after working for 8 hours. He goes out at night with his friends. He pumps his state by doing funny things. He loves life again. He’s so happy. He feels like picking up so much. He picks up women all night.

Next day he feels like crap again. Dave thinks to himself I should go pick up chicks today. But I don’t feel like it. I should work today. But I don’t feel like it. Dave thinks “I should travel.”

Dave travels to Brazil. Dave LOVES travelling. He feels so happy. After 1 month. Dave feels like crap in brazil. He comes home. He LOVES…

Do you see where this is going? Do you see the pattern? Dave loves and hates too much. As much as Dave loves, as much as Dave hates. Makes him very unhappy and unfocused. He feels like he has no direction or purpose.

So how does this relate to pick up?

Everyone I know in the community refers to “being in state” as something positive to picking up women.

I am sorry to break your bubble of delusion but this is not something positive. If you can be in state, it obviously means that you can be out of state.

If being in state is your default state and you’re just in state all the time then you are talking about the same thing as me. You are actually gaming in your natural state, you just choose to use a different way of saying it.

The power of gaming in your natural state is that:

1.You will be more consistant because you will never be on or off. You will only be.
2.You will go out more because you will never be on or off. You will only be.
3.Your game is going to get better SUPER fast because you will be going out a lot. Gaming all the time everywhere.
4.You will pursue numbers and dates any time of the day because you will never be on or off. You will only be.
5.You will have more focus, strenght, harmony and centeredness in your life which is insanely attractive to women.
6.You will get laid a lot more because you will not miss those opportunities that you miss all the time when you’re off.
7.You will glow in the dark. (Results may vary)

How do you game in your natural state?

You need to upgrade your level of awerness and harmonious feeling in everyday life.

You do this by being concentrated on your body and thoughts as much as you can. When you feel a sensation of pain or pleasure. You tried to stay as unreactive as possible. You just look and notice. You don’t react positively or negatively. Same thing with any sensation such as fatigue, joy, sadness, stress, boredom, excitement, etc. Don’t put a label on them. Pain isn’t bad. It’s merely a sensation. Pleasure is not good, it’s merely a sensation.

Just try your best. No one is perfect. Actively doing it when you’re alone, working, and stuff like that will make you better at it, hence improve the amount of time you spend in your natural state. You can do it anywhere, anytime, doing anything.

It will improve your natural state because like most poeple, if you’re not feeling good, you’re probably feeling bad. Do you feel good waking up, walking down the street, right after work? Maybe not, and this will help you. It won’t make you feel good. It will make you feel normal, neutral.

Then you want to lower the amount of “happy state” you’re using when you go out.

Here’s what I did:

I went out alone and I stopped self amusing.

This might seem harsh but it will truely teach you to game in your natural state as in my opinion the 2 things that change your state the most is the presence of your wing and self amusement. If you need this to pick up, then you are attached to it, then you crave it, then you feel happy when you have it and sad when you don’t. A good exercise is to go out alone and not self amuse. Just be chill and strait to the point with the chick.

Basically, you want to slowly implement letting go off the positive and negative state that you have when you’re going out. You want to level it out. If you’re too happy, tone it down, if you’re too sad, self amuse a little. All this in order to be in your normal state.

Once you start doing that, picking up becomes kind of a meditation. Everything becomes kind of a meditation.

Starting to game in my normal state was pretty natural for me, what else can someone do to start being more like that? Please comment!

From my blog http://daveofglory.com/game-in-your-natural-state-epic-post/

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rigor wrote:

Frenchboy wrote:
Pleasure is not good, it’s merely a sensation.
Explain this please. Why would I pursue something if not for the sake of it being a good thing?
I don't understand your question.

Pleasure is not something that would be clever to pursue because in its essence it is ephemeral. Pursuing pleasure would make you crave it and feel bad when you don't have it. Pursuing pleasure is pretty much pursuing pain.

What should you pursue then? Im not sure myself. I would say that I personally pursue fun, adventure and personal growth, but I don't react to it. Whether I have it or not. Whether I feel boredom or fun, personal growth or watching TV, I give it the same meaning. Neither are positive or negative. They just are things that come and go.

@Bartle B, I just come from a 10 days Vipassana course so that's pretty much where I took all this theory from + mixing it with chilling a lot in sets.
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dloux31 wrote:


this is Tao
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rigor wrote:

Frenchboy wrote:
Pleasure is not good, it’s merely a sensation.
Explain this please. Why would I pursue something if not for the sake of it being a good thing?
Kind of like tolle says.

If you "love yourself" you leave room to hate yourself. Just be, when you identify to a certian emotion or polarity than there is always room to end up at the opposite end of the spectrum.


@Frenchboy

Respect. Always love your posts! Keep it up.
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Just like you can't eradicate pain, you can't eradicate pleasure. What you can do, is to stop referring to them as pain (which is negative) and pleasure (which is positive). Only look at them as sensations that have the same main characteristic, they are ephemeral.

If they are neutral and labelless to you, you will not feel avertion nor craving towards any sensations.

If you label something as pleasure you will automatically crave it, if you label something as pain you will automatically feel avertion for it.

By not giving it any name, label or identifying to it or putting emphasis on it, you still feel the sensation but in a detached, peaceful way. Fun will never actually go away. Pain will never actually go away.

But it feels as if they do go away. Even monks feel pleasure and happiness. They smile all the time. They enjoy food. They enjoy warmth. But they don't identify with it. Whether it would be pain or pleasure, sadness or happiness, their reaction at a core level would be the same, it would be non existant.

When I say stop self amusing, I dont mean forever or at all. I mean as a practice, to practice picking up in a normal state of mind. There's nothing wrong with being in an insanely pumped up state, but there is something wrong with that if it's the only way you can sucessfully pick up.
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Frenchboy wrote:
First of all, I would like to say that this is an epic post.

Did you know that it was possible to wake up in the morning and go out on the street BY YOURSELF and meet a girl and make a connection instantly?

Did you know that it was possible to feel harmonious and peaceful all the time?

Did you know that you can be in a pick up kind of mind even after working for 10 hours or with no sleep for 2 days?

Did you know that it could be 100% normal to pick up the phone and call a girl that you just met, go have a drink and sleep with her?

All that while remaining in your normal state of mind?

That’s what I call gaming in your natural state of mind. To me the natural state of mind would be when you wake up in the morning. It also includes when you’re hungry, tried, sad, happy, whatever.

Your state of mind is your state of mind. It doesn’t actually change. It’s like a switch that’s on and off. It’s the same switch, just at a slightly different angle.

By putting emphasis on the fact that the switch is on, you automatically put emphasis on the fact that it will be off. By putting emphasis on the fact that you’re in a good state, you’re putting emphasis on the fact that you will be in a bad state.

If you just put emphasis on the fact that you’re state is normal, then you’re putting emphasis on the fact that your state will be normal. State can’t be abnormal. It’s like a switch. It can be on and off. But it can’t be abnormal. It’s just a switch.

Actually, I just say normal but even no qualifier would be even better. Just state. Not good. Not bad. Not normal. This way. It can’t go in any direction.

Emotions, feelings and sensations come and go. It’s their nature. Pain is merely a feeling. Fatige is merely a sensation. Happiness is merely an emotion. Why would you focus on something that is so ephemeral? Wake up people! This doesn’t make sense.

Look at whatever you’re feeling and just look at it. Don’t put emphasis on it by talking about it, labelling it, hating it or even LOVING it. Love for a sensation brings craving which brings desire which brings unsatisfaction wich brings you not picking up and taking action and calling your numbers and approaching which brings you to not getting laid.

I’ll tell you a story.

It’s about a little man called Dave. Dave loves being in state. He goes out with friends. Picks up women. Has fun. Loves life. He feels soooo happy.

Next day Dave wakes up. He feels tired. He doesn’t call his numbers. He doesn’t feel like it. He feels like working on the computer. He feels even more like crap after working for 8 hours. He goes out at night with his friends. He pumps his state by doing funny things. He loves life again. He’s so happy. He feels like picking up so much. He picks up women all night.

Next day he feels like crap again. Dave thinks to himself I should go pick up chicks today. But I don’t feel like it. I should work today. But I don’t feel like it. Dave thinks “I should travel.”

Dave travels to Brazil. Dave LOVES travelling. He feels so happy. After 1 month. Dave feels like crap in brazil. He comes home. He LOVES…

Do you see where this is going? Do you see the pattern? Dave loves and hates too much. As much as Dave loves, as much as Dave hates. Makes him very unhappy and unfocused. He feels like he has no direction or purpose.

So how does this relate to pick up?

Everyone I know in the community refers to “being in state” as something positive to picking up women.

I am sorry to break your bubble of delusion but this is not something positive. If you can be in state, it obviously means that you can be out of state.

If being in state is your default state and you’re just in state all the time then you are talking about the same thing as me. You are actually gaming in your natural state, you just choose to use a different way of saying it.

The power of gaming in your natural state is that:

1.You will be more consistant because you will never be on or off. You will only be.
2.You will go out more because you will never be on or off. You will only be.
3.Your game is going to get better SUPER fast because you will be going out a lot. Gaming all the time everywhere.
4.You will pursue numbers and dates any time of the day because you will never be on or off. You will only be.
5.You will have more focus, strenght, harmony and centeredness in your life which is insanely attractive to women.
6.You will get laid a lot more because you will not miss those opportunities that you miss all the time when you’re off.
7.You will glow in the dark. (Results may vary)

How do you game in your natural state?

You need to upgrade your level of awerness and harmonious feeling in everyday life.

You do this by being concentrated on your body and thoughts as much as you can. When you feel a sensation of pain or pleasure. You tried to stay as unreactive as possible. You just look and notice. You don’t react positively or negatively. Same thing with any sensation such as fatigue, joy, sadness, stress, boredom, excitement, etc. Don’t put a label on them. Pain isn’t bad. It’s merely a sensation. Pleasure is not good, it’s merely a sensation.

Just try your best. No one is perfect. Actively doing it when you’re alone, working, and stuff like that will make you better at it, hence improve the amount of time you spend in your natural state. You can do it anywhere, anytime, doing anything.

It will improve your natural state because like most poeple, if you’re not feeling good, you’re probably feeling bad. Do you feel good waking up, walking down the street, right after work? Maybe not, and this will help you. It won’t make you feel good. It will make you feel normal, neutral.

Then you want to lower the amount of “happy state” you’re using when you go out.

Here’s what I did:

I went out alone and I stopped self amusing.

This might seem harsh but it will truely teach you to game in your natural state as in my opinion the 2 things that change your state the most is the presence of your wing and self amusement. If you need this to pick up, then you are attached to it, then you crave it, then you feel happy when you have it and sad when you don’t. A good exercise is to go out alone and not self amuse. Just be chill and strait to the point with the chick.

Basically, you want to slowly implement letting go off the positive and negative state that you have when you’re going out. You want to level it out. If you’re too happy, tone it down, if you’re too sad, self amuse a little. All this in order to be in your normal state.

Once you start doing that, picking up becomes kind of a meditation. Everything becomes kind of a meditation.

Starting to game in my normal state was pretty natural for me, what else can someone do to start being more like that? Please comment!

From my blog http://daveofglory.com/game-in-your-natural-state-epic-post/

I cannot relate to this. I'm not saying it's bullshit, but I really can't feel it. Pain is bad for christ's sake. Pleasure is good. Wanting good thinks doesn't seem wrong to me. What's the purpose of not being happy and excited when going out? are you actually saying we should give up all emotions, or am I just getting this wrong?

edit: I've read Pimp of Persia's post, and I think I get what you mean now. I think it makes sense, but do you actually need to give up on emotions, or do you rather need to give up your addiction to good emotions?

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