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May 24th, 2013
My adventures in Toronto
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#11

eagles_dare13

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Join Date: 05/03/2009 | Posts: 58

Thanks guys.
I believe I really need to see this in demo to understand the whole 'I do not give a damn what ppl think of me ' thing. How can i not give a damn when everybody is getting weirded out?how do you not give  a damn when another girl sees yougetting slapped?
I hope the BC will provide these answers.

Cheers.
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TableDance

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Don't tell them that you are going to kiss them.  That makes it awkward.  If you do it and your not already moving for the kiss, it also seems as though you are asking.  When I'm dancing with a girl I've found that it is much easier to laser eye them until the tension is too much, then just take what I want (a kiss).  If you go in like you are gonna make out, then only peck and pull back they will maul you.  It's awesome.
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Dude ill see if i can get some infield footage. No promises though. ive been debatin on a while to do something on dancefloor.
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#14

eagles_dare13

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Hey there,
Just came back from a night out. Wed night, toronto downtown, my favourite salsa club.
I reach at 11 pm and the place has loads of hot girls -unexpected for a wed night. people here are nice and friendly and they come to practice their dance skills so almost everybody would say yes for a dance.very good to get you out of your head fast.
So i start dancing with this hot woman in red dress, do my moves, tell her that she is pretty and her red dress is very sexy.Smiles and says 'Thanks'. After song is over, she needs to go. I have no idea if the hitting on thing is turning them off. I find it awkward that they want to leave after just one song.I am good dancer so normally I would expect them to linger longer.
Anyway, see another girl, grab and start dancing.I give her laser EC(or what i think is laser) and she stares back at me so hard I almost lose it. damn...i am sure the makeout was there but i didnt expect this at all. ok, so i respond back with a weak pussy like 'your shoulders are so sexy'.she smiles, i pull her in close,hug her by the waist, do some moves in the close hold position, tell her she smells good, no response. I know that the prob is that these SOIs seem ingenuine and scripted, i am almost saying this to force myself in the moment and she can sense the struggle in my voice. so i get nothing more than a polite thanks.
Anyway, after the song is over, she goes away, andgives me EC from time to time.
Lots of other girls are there, so I grab another super hot brazilian, about 6 inches taller than I so my head fits very nicely between her boobs(ah!). anyway, to my delight, she is a pathetic dancer and i teach her the moves, and hold her close, she is surprisingly compliant so i tell her you look sexy, pull her in, super grinding(damn, we are the only one grinding, these club is kinda uptight). anyway, i isolate her far from her friends and after a good grinding session during which i run my hands all over her shoulders and sexy back, she says i gotta go to my friends. i escort her back and intro with friends. all cool, they are friendly people.
grab another red dress girl from the group and isolate her again far away. by now i am in state because of so many 'successful' approaches so to speak, so she follows my lead(thank god). again she knows nothing about dance, so teach her a few moves, grind more, tell her i love girls in red dress she should even wear red shoes etc..blah blah blah.she loves me, all smiles, but wants to get back to her friends. i ask her let''s go for some air on the patio(although i have no idea how to escalate once i get one on one on the patio as i got nothing to say basically), so i march her back to my friends.what would be a good move here to keep her with me?i try weak moves like lets do another song(sounds like a stripper!!) but that usually isnt enough and too polite.Actually like i said this club is kinda snobbish and here dancers come to show off and i havent seen a lot of people making out or grinding. but i know these are excuses ...

anyway..after this, some salsa show comes on and i take a breather. after the show is gone, i find the hot brazilian and go put my hand around her waist. she is compliant again and melts in my arms. more grind, bachata dance, everybody staring(shit) at us, and i say shit like your shoulders are sexy,(i wanted to say your boobs are sexy but anyway), you smell awesome and like you guys suggest I start kissing her cheek through her hair and massage her arms and shoulders. she likes it, so i kiss her shoulders(um...nice soft flesh). i ask her for her number and she gives it. Normally i am scared to ask for numbers without any meaningful convos but i guess the shoulder makeout gave me some confidence.

Ok..onward.
She leaves, and i find a cute japanese sitting alone with a sad face. i go sit beside her and open with introducing myself. she is visiting from california. we talk about usa west coast and toronto, multicultural cities, her job(finance), my job (IT) etc. nice meaningful conversation for 15 min after which we dance for a bit., the dancing is a bit off and there is no real connection, so i lead her backt o her seat and talk for some more. convo goes ok, i joke around a bit and i think we have talked enuf for ph num exchange so i tell her 'i would like to hang with you sometime. do you have a fone?' she declines although she is trying to be polite so it takes some effort i can see.
I am surprised.
what is a good way to ask for the number? i find it so difficult to suddenly ask what is your number?any suggestions?

After this, it is a regular dance night for me, dance with some more girls,get good connection going, SOI as usual, but as soon as i pull in, they sense it and go stiff and i dont have the balls to push. at the end of each song, i meekly suggest get together and they decline politely with a rather stern face.

This happened with one indian girl, oner very cute persian girl whom i kept calling my babylonian princess and a mexican girl.
As I see, my probs are

1.SOI sounds weak and scripted, no real intent.
2.laser EC cannot hold for more than 3 secs.
3.going for makeout/ph num --delayed,too much thinking about we were being watched or not, resulting in weakness.
4. I want to talk dirty up close on the dance floor but too afraid to sound horny.

To sum up, a lack of balls.


I have been a dancing monkey for the past 1 yr and that didnt get me anywhere. but that got me some good convo exchanges.

Now the shift to this sudden 'man up' style is not really going very smooth. Did you guys face a similar hurdle?Previously i was all entertaining and now i am all creepo to the point that even the 'manning up' is not authentic, it is just another advanced reaction seeking behaviour.

Will keep reporting how this goes. I want to get in some decent emotional shape before my sep 4 BC with Ryan.

Cheers guys,
Kaushik
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Wow, you've improved a lot over these two pages.

I use tims line to get the number. "Put your number in my phone, maybe we'll hang out sometime". You're telling them what to do and you're referring to a possible date but you're showing them that you have options that you may not choose to hang out with them

Here's a great post about escalating written by S|n|ster
http://www.rsdnation.com/node/115297

I like to do this:

"6) pull her in REAL close and tell her Tim's line "Honestly I was walking by I thought you were a cutie...I just HAD to dance with you...why do you do this to me?" full self amusement bit bewildered smile"

This is good and they'll become more attracted. Physically closer.

The girls will be looking to you to escalate. So you can say "lets go sit down and lead her to sit down". Also it's good to lead her around to different spots to dance. So you say "lets go over here" and take her hand and lead her somewhere else to dance. You seem to be new to soi's, you'll be comfortable with them soon. You'll become more and more comfortable with being the sexworthy guy. The chode isn't your true self. The cool man of action is. The shift to the "man up style" won't be smooth because growth isn't smooth. Your progress will often seem up and down.

I haven't had much experience with salsa stuff. I only went once on my first day of bootcamp. I'm guessing you have 1 or 2 songs to show that you're a real man. So try good eyecontact than go for the makeout when you like. Lead them to different areas to dance. Than lead her somewhere else to talk and makeout. Than say "lets get outta here"
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#16

eagles_dare13

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friday night. went to a salsa club. this club is good because
1)it's got older women to practice on
2)it's dark so kino can be done more effectively
3)it's got two dance floors so isolation is easier(let's go see the other dance floor etc)


I reach there and it's hot inside. start dancing with a woman with a sad face and kind smile. she is a newbie dancer, i am intermediate, show her a few moves, start grinding, she is responsive giving all the vibes, do lot of kino, brush my hand across her neck,put her hands on my chest and rub...all good.
hard EC, she just smiles submissively.
isolate her to the other dance floor dip her and she is happy. go for kiss, no go. dance more, more kino,massage shoulders, tell her she has sexy shoulders, go for kiss, no go. song ends, she realises i am going to go for kiss again, somehow doesnt like it and ejects.

spot another woman in sexy white,start grinding from get go,but as soon as i pull in hard, she stiffens. push her away, pull her in hard again, no go(stiff as a stick). this goes for quite some time. song ends, she wants no more of this so she leaves.

N.B. - I am sure I am still doing plenty of things wrong that's why it's not working,; the only difference in my attitude is that now i am ready to keep going for it until she leaves me. it's a paradigm shift for me.hopefully it will reap results sometime.

anyway..onward.
pick another skinny girl, man, the moment i give her EC, she gives back a plastic smile and stiffens. when i talk(during dancing) she is more than happy to talk back and is all smiles, but with kino, its a no go. i tell her she is sexy, a passive thanks, put my hands on her hips, she moves them away..hmm..
Needless to say, after song ends, she leaves.

pick out a delicious looking cougar, hot ass, solid boobs, kind face.just the one I can fuck right then and there she is such a turn on. anyway, start dancing, as serpicoo suggests change dancing places a few times to different parts of the floor, totally isolated from friends, start slow sensual grinding(wow). she is amazing.hold her by shoulders, and give her the laser EC.
For the first time in my life, a girl returns the EC.I hold it,bring my face close, our noses touch, she smiles and says 'No, not that'.
Ok..no probs, keep grinding all sexy feel her exposed back, a bit of the ass, have her squeeze my chest (tits???), great . After song ends, she wants to go.

BTW, this leaving after song ends is kinda culture in these clubs, because after each song ppl change partners. So i guess my previous belief they left me because i tried to kiss wasnt right entirely.

night goes on, i basically ask every girl to dance, cute,pretty,ugly,bitchy,bald whatever. I am happy.This is important because I go solo all the time and dont have a wing to pump my state.

See a cute girl in a gorgeous dress sitting by herself. I smile, intro myself, tell her she is sexy she says she is tired and wants a bed. Now i dunno if this is a test or an IOI so I suggest she sleeps on the couch on which we are sitting or she can use my lap or my shoulder. these are her 3 options.
She says no, i dont know you------ in a friendly way. I tell her I am kaushik and I like blue(Tim in flawless natural). what else is there to know?
She says she hates blue so we cant get along together(holy shit, does she do mystery method??? what is next i wonder). anyway, we chat for a while , super friendly girl, i keep telling her she has gorgeous skin,touch her naked thigh, brush her shoulders, she says thanks.
i try to move closer for the kiss, she moves away. i move away and need to yell to keep convo going. she says she needs to go home. I tell her she should take me home with her, i will look out for her. Smiles, some dude comes and asks her for a dance and she goes.
(later I see her, again super polite, but refuses to dance with me).

Ok, night is drawing to a close,it is hot as hell, dance with more cute girls, ask one girl for a phone num while dancing and after name exchange, she just smiles and refuses-i dont think so.
dance some bachata with another woman, grind-ok, but as soon as i put my hands on her exposed shoulders, she moves them away. cannot go for kiss after this and she leaves after the song ends.
One more tiny thing, talk to a girl seated, she is leaving, put the claw, she moves away, talk for a few min put it back on and she likes it. Great, persistence pays off. It didn’t go anywhere though, still too chicken to push further.
All in all, no 'successes' but I tried to incorporate the suggestions in the forum. I guess I need to push things further.
Any suggestions, comments, critiques deeply appreciated.

Cheers superstars!
kaushik
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saturday night...salsa club.
taking in sinister's advice, i ask every girl i can see to dance. but i forgot to use the 'you are so cute i have to dance with you.' i jsut say 'would yu like to dance?'
normally in a salsa club, ppl are ok dancing but for some reason on this night, i got a lot of No's. i danced with an ecuadorian for 30 min, everytime i pull her in, she freezes up, after 30 min,we are both sticking from the sweat so i pull her to sit onthe couch away from friends.(thanks to serpicoo for this). i also find that you can basically stop dancing
and lead her to a different [art of the dance floor if both od you are in a good state.

ok so i sit her down and do fluff talk, name exchange etc,we are both bored(this isa prob for me, after isolation, how do you hold interest if she is fending off escalation).i claw, she is ok with it, but i try to kiss her, she moves away.

ok..next set..more dancing ..blah blah blah..usual night.find a girl that's all over the place with her dance---looks like she is on a high, i just go,grab and start grinding(i have some practice with it).she likes it, bend her over,put her hands on my chest, move her hands back on her ass, knead her ass, she squeals,hold her close, stop moving and look in her eyes. she smiles and looks away. i continue to do this but she is not ready for makeout.her friends(male orbitters) then pull her away. later i see her on the couch, pull her to the floor and wash rinse repeat but she just smiles ..and for some reason, i have this SP where i dont feel like asking for a number unless there is a real connection. have to get over that.

the night goes on, more dancing, more grinding,but dunno y , the girls are not enjoying my stare that much. when we dance, i just gaze at her eyes, lips, neck and shoulders and i expect her to go DDB but um, she is quite unfazed. hm, maybe she is used to this.

i stayed till around 3. and asked every girl to dance. so i guess i pushed myself.

today sunday, had a date from match.com but she canceled due to family matters.
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Wow you're getting better fast. Personally I would't ask to dance. I'd say "let's dance". Also sometimes some girls even though they're into you, won't make out then. Just keep going for the makeout, often it takes 3 or more tries. Here are some ways I like to escalate that you may or may not know.

-Smell her hair and say "your hair smells nice" Than do it again. Hair smelling turns them on lot.
- Blow in their ear lol
-Grip their hair at the base as you makeout and then pull them off your lips by their hair. rofl
-If she's receptive but not kissing you. Hold the back of her head and just keep going for the makeout. Tamer has a youtube video doing this. Your persistence will turn her on a lot.
-Spin and In! My favourite, spin her and pull her in by her hips so she slams lightly into you. Often she'll go "whoo :)". Tim has a video of this on his blog.
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#19

Joel

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Join Date: 01/14/2009 | Posts: 19

Something I realised recently with Latin dancing, is that it can easily fall into that "platonic"/"this has no meaning" kind of category, due to it already being a somewhat sexual style of dancing.

The best way to go about making otherwise, would be making your intent clear before the dance. (It sounds like you're already getting on to this one.)

The other thing is, the Salsa scene here in Brisbane is fairly tight. Everyone knows everyone. I don't know how it is for you over there, but fucking up here could be likened to fucking up in my social circles.
I would have to keep my social awareness keen if I was escalating like a something here.
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#20
Arman

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Maybe the chicks feel like it's "socially incorrect" to go for the kiss / escalation at a salsa lesson, which is way more formal than an actual dance floor. She maybe feel that she can't blow off steam during circumstances such as those and therefore feel stifled?
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