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My thoughts on RSD legitamcy:
I totally understand why someone that has not been able to internalize the aspects of natural game and then express them successfully themselves would be filled with doubt as to whether this shit actually works or not. I can understand why they would question the instructors here and I can understand how this would cause these flare-ups to happen here every so often.
That said, I can say with 100% total and positive conviction that this stuff is the shit. It simply works. I have not ever taken a boot camp with RSD or anyone but had the blessing of witnessing a Super Natural last year when I was 10 weeks into the game and it changed everything for me. It literally happened overnight for me right then and there. I thought for sure he was an RSD educated type guy but he knew nothing of the PUA community. He was the 100% congruent manifestation of total confidence and all of the other virtues talked about here. All the guys love him and all the girls do too. He was 48 then (and looks it) and all his women were 26-34 and fine as hell. He met me and asked me for help managing all the women in the place and if I "could handle it". I said YES. Because I saw what he was doing and how it was 100% effective, I gave myself permission on the spot to do everything I had studied here as well as vibe in the way I was seeing him do it. I had instantaneous success that night and cannot ever forget it.
This would not have happened had I not been prepared with what I had taken from here at RSD. This was my boot camp of sorts. I am sure RSD boot camps are the same kind of catalyst for others as this was for me. I can listen to any instructor talk and by what he says I can tell if he "gets it" when he is elaborating on the subtler points of the game. I have heard too many pearls come from the mouth of Ozzie, Tyler, Ryan and others here that leave me with no choice to conclude that they have internalized this game and express it naturally. These subtle concepts cannot be faked by someone that does not get them. The guys are here essentially trying to find what it is that it is going to take for you to give yourself permission to let yourself out. I do not agree with the way they do everything in terms of their business, but it is not my business to care about. I do agree with the fact that they are helping others, cuz I know they helped me. I think showing boot camp students videos on pre-brief is a great solutions by the way. Even though it would be awesome to see it, I do not need any proof. (though would love to maybe take a BC one day)
I totally understand why someone that has not been able to internalize the aspects of natural game and then express them successfully themselves would be filled with doubt as to whether this shit actually works or not. I can understand why they would question the instructors here and I can understand how this would cause these flare-ups to happen here every so often.
That said, I can say with 100% total and positive conviction that this stuff is the shit. It simply works. I have not ever taken a boot camp with RSD or anyone but had the blessing of witnessing a Super Natural last year when I was 10 weeks into the game and it changed everything for me. It literally happened overnight for me right then and there. I thought for sure he was an RSD educated type guy but he knew nothing of the PUA community. He was the 100% congruent manifestation of total confidence and all of the other virtues talked about here. All the guys love him and all the girls do too. He was 48 then (and looks it) and all his women were 26-34 and fine as hell. He met me and asked me for help managing all the women in the place and if I "could handle it". I said YES. Because I saw what he was doing and how it was 100% effective, I gave myself permission on the spot to do everything I had studied here as well as vibe in the way I was seeing him do it. I had instantaneous success that night and cannot ever forget it.
This would not have happened had I not been prepared with what I had taken from here at RSD. This was my boot camp of sorts. I am sure RSD boot camps are the same kind of catalyst for others as this was for me. I can listen to any instructor talk and by what he says I can tell if he "gets it" when he is elaborating on the subtler points of the game. I have heard too many pearls come from the mouth of Ozzie, Tyler, Ryan and others here that leave me with no choice to conclude that they have internalized this game and express it naturally. These subtle concepts cannot be faked by someone that does not get them. The guys are here essentially trying to find what it is that it is going to take for you to give yourself permission to let yourself out. I do not agree with the way they do everything in terms of their business, but it is not my business to care about. I do agree with the fact that they are helping others, cuz I know they helped me. I think showing boot camp students videos on pre-brief is a great solutions by the way. Even though it would be awesome to see it, I do not need any proof. (though would love to maybe take a BC one day)
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"Guys who are insecure will constantly dispute points whenever they see the opening. They view
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- You are not your mind. Your mind is a tool. Don't be a tool. - zo
"Guys who are insecure will constantly dispute points whenever they see the opening. They view
...................... is at an opportunity to demonstrate their value...... They CANNOT RESIST the temptation".
......................................................................................Tyler Durden
I want to support RSD here, because what I learnt here truly changed my life.
I have no affiliation with RSD except being just another poster on this forum and have never taken an RSD bootcamp but I've learnt equally if not more from their products. After watching Flawless Natural in early November for the first time, I decided to try it out and that night walked into a club, walked straight onto the dance floor and spinned and inned a cutie and made out with her within like 5 secs...took her home that night, my first SNL. She's been with several guys since then but she still calls me religiously to this day because she still cant rationalize how all that happened so fast that night and how insane the attraction was between us right off the bat. This is after 8 hardcore months of doing LS and MM routine based game 3 nights a week and getting flaky numbers and nothing else. After that, even though all my friends and wings etc were still doing routines, I ditched everything else and focused purely on RSD concepts and the more I started reading and watching, the more it made sense. Since that day (although it took a while to go from routines to being totally impromptu), slowly practicing nothing else but stuff taught in RSD products like being in the moment, being unreactive, being dominant, being internally validated, 100% belief etc, I have had consistent success like I could never even have imagined - far eclipsing anything the layer people I used to hangout with have acheived in this duration. I can only imagine how much faster I could have learnt all this with a live instructor being there to guide me and give me feedback in real time.
After that, I purchased Blueprint and everything in it struck me as spot on very insightful, but imo it will only make sense to people who are already some what socially savy / street smart and can actually read people and social situations and talk to people without relying stricly on a structure. Someone who is totally socially awkward will better be served by relying on routines and concepts like "dont lean in', 'always hold court', "be alpha" etc because they know specifically what these things mean and how exactly to lean back and be DHV'ing etc. IMO, The concepts RSD teaches in bootcamp and in thier products will only be understood when you've been in the game a while and maybe never by some people not looking to find them. Focusing only on quick fixes and instant magic pill gratification is totally fine, if thats what you want, that just means RSD isnt meant for you. Move on. There's lots of other dating comaponies out there and their methods also work. Its just a matter of personal choice and using what works best for you.
I have no affiliation with RSD except being just another poster on this forum and have never taken an RSD bootcamp but I've learnt equally if not more from their products. After watching Flawless Natural in early November for the first time, I decided to try it out and that night walked into a club, walked straight onto the dance floor and spinned and inned a cutie and made out with her within like 5 secs...took her home that night, my first SNL. She's been with several guys since then but she still calls me religiously to this day because she still cant rationalize how all that happened so fast that night and how insane the attraction was between us right off the bat. This is after 8 hardcore months of doing LS and MM routine based game 3 nights a week and getting flaky numbers and nothing else. After that, even though all my friends and wings etc were still doing routines, I ditched everything else and focused purely on RSD concepts and the more I started reading and watching, the more it made sense. Since that day (although it took a while to go from routines to being totally impromptu), slowly practicing nothing else but stuff taught in RSD products like being in the moment, being unreactive, being dominant, being internally validated, 100% belief etc, I have had consistent success like I could never even have imagined - far eclipsing anything the layer people I used to hangout with have acheived in this duration. I can only imagine how much faster I could have learnt all this with a live instructor being there to guide me and give me feedback in real time.
After that, I purchased Blueprint and everything in it struck me as spot on very insightful, but imo it will only make sense to people who are already some what socially savy / street smart and can actually read people and social situations and talk to people without relying stricly on a structure. Someone who is totally socially awkward will better be served by relying on routines and concepts like "dont lean in', 'always hold court', "be alpha" etc because they know specifically what these things mean and how exactly to lean back and be DHV'ing etc. IMO, The concepts RSD teaches in bootcamp and in thier products will only be understood when you've been in the game a while and maybe never by some people not looking to find them. Focusing only on quick fixes and instant magic pill gratification is totally fine, if thats what you want, that just means RSD isnt meant for you. Move on. There's lots of other dating comaponies out there and their methods also work. Its just a matter of personal choice and using what works best for you.
None of this matters. If it works, it's good. If it doesn't, it's not. Simple.
Damn, imagine getting so worked up over this. It's just meeting women.
Damn, imagine getting so worked up over this. It's just meeting women.
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Since you're so curious and skeptical of RSD. Why don't you go out and apply some of the stuff RSD teaches. Apply it for a month or so and decide for yourself. If it works and yo ulike the results you're getting then learn even more. If it doesn't work, then drop it and move to something else, write up a bad review of RSD's material, and be done with it.
Right now, you're wasting too much time on the internet arguing, theorizing, and questioning unimportant shit.
A better trial would be done by the entire RSD community, believers and non-beleivers alike. Right now there are over 7000 people on the forums. How many lay reports were posted over the weekend?
i don't know why people think they will cry on a bc or shit like that. there is nothing of the sort. pushing you out of comfort zones doesnt hurt anybody. on the contrary they are quite relax after they have done it.
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OZZIE
Representing RSD in London.
Rolling out to the hottest venues -- Pulling the hottest girls -- I love this city!!
LONDON -- DO NOT MISS THIS INTENSE LEARNING EXPERIENCE
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Hey Besserwisser,
there is a lot of opinion on here, maybe less real experience of the bootcamp. As I said before, it was good for me. I think I've been pretty honest in writing about the bootcamp experience, here is my 6 month review and some of the consequences:
www.rsdnation.com/node/83439 6 Months Review (May 08)
And when it finally started coming together for me, just after that time really, when I banged 4 girls in 5 nights out:
http://www.rsdnation.com/node/85398
www.rsdnation.com/node/85680
www.rsdnation.com/node/85868
www.rsdnation.com/node/86011
I've got another 'One Year Q & A ' floating around somewhere too.
So now I'm just past 18 months and I stand at about 35+ girls (I stopped counting), and I've also had a 6 month and a 4 month relationship in that time too. As I say, it worked out pretty good for me. I can only offer my own experience...for some it went better and for some not as good. The one consistent thing I have seen, though, is that those who get good take responsibility for it and push themselves. I came straight out of BC and did a 30 day challenge, then kept going out. Brad took BC the same weekend as me, other side of the world, and got better than I did - but then he went to some crazy lengths. Similarly I've also seen guys who've done BC, done about 1 approach a week and then 6 months down the line are talking about doing another one....these guys I always advise to NOT do another one. But if you are going to take responsibility, put the effort in even when it feels bad, then yeah, I would definitely receommend BC.
ps. Sorry for the shameless self-promotion ;)
there is a lot of opinion on here, maybe less real experience of the bootcamp. As I said before, it was good for me. I think I've been pretty honest in writing about the bootcamp experience, here is my 6 month review and some of the consequences:
www.rsdnation.com/node/83439 6 Months Review (May 08)
And when it finally started coming together for me, just after that time really, when I banged 4 girls in 5 nights out:
http://www.rsdnation.com/node/85398
www.rsdnation.com/node/85680
www.rsdnation.com/node/85868
www.rsdnation.com/node/86011
I've got another 'One Year Q & A ' floating around somewhere too.
So now I'm just past 18 months and I stand at about 35+ girls (I stopped counting), and I've also had a 6 month and a 4 month relationship in that time too. As I say, it worked out pretty good for me. I can only offer my own experience...for some it went better and for some not as good. The one consistent thing I have seen, though, is that those who get good take responsibility for it and push themselves. I came straight out of BC and did a 30 day challenge, then kept going out. Brad took BC the same weekend as me, other side of the world, and got better than I did - but then he went to some crazy lengths. Similarly I've also seen guys who've done BC, done about 1 approach a week and then 6 months down the line are talking about doing another one....these guys I always advise to NOT do another one. But if you are going to take responsibility, put the effort in even when it feels bad, then yeah, I would definitely receommend BC.
ps. Sorry for the shameless self-promotion ;)
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Since you're so curious and skeptical of RSD. Why don't you go out and apply some of the stuff RSD teaches. Apply it for a month or so and decide for yourself. If it works and yo ulike the results you're getting then learn even more. If it doesn't work, then drop it and move to something else, write up a bad review of RSD's material, and be done with it.
Right now, you're wasting too much time on the internet arguing, theorizing, and questioning unimportant shit.
A better trial would be done by the entire RSD community, believers and non-beleivers alike. Right now there are over 7000 people on the forums. How many lay reports were posted over the weekend?
Since you're so curious and skeptical of RSD. Why don't you go out and apply some of the stuff RSD teaches. Apply it for a month or so and decide for yourself. If it works and yo ulike the results you're getting then learn even more. If it doesn't work, then drop it and move to something else, write up a bad review of RSD's material, and be done with it.
Right now, you're wasting too much time on the internet arguing, theorizing, and questioning unimportant shit.
A better trial would be done by the entire RSD community, believers and non-beleivers alike. Right now there are over 7000 people on the forums. How many lay reports were posted over the weekend?
Before I found RSD, I was in the midst of a SEVEN YEAR DRY SPELL. By consistently going out and applying the principles I learned from RSD, reporting my experiences as FRs and listening to the feedback I slowly improved until I fucked three different women in a week and a half. I started dating one of them, fucked two more girls with-in the month and have been in a committed relationship since.
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i sense alot of hostility. There are ways to approach subjects to get a good normal response, and there are ways to try to aggitate ppl into a raging boner of hate filled replies.
Like others have said: take it or leave it. There are plenty of forums out there that deal with seduction community, where you can not only ask other people who, and what they think works, but also get them to rate anything and everything. do a google search for seduction forums and ull have plenty of options. Thats how i moved on from MM and Style and Meh0w and all the rest of them. I did my research. my research brought me to this community. After reading the book the game, i found myself disliking what tyler does. But after the initial shock of the book, and finding that nothing else worked for me, i moved on and found that rsd is the best for me.
To address the 7000 people vs. lay reports concept. I fuck my GF every other day. Do i need to tell the whole world all the details. No i dont, and i choose not to. Some people do, and its great for them, and it provides me with something entertaining to read. But if one of the RSD concepts is to eliminate the EGO, then posting layreports is counterproductive. Its on the forums, so that people can communicate not only to themselves, but to others, on what they might be doing right or wrong. Either to get help or to give help.
As for infield footage. deep down I would like to see some, just for comparison, but it doesnt matter. because its not about comparing what i am to someone else, its about being myself. Do u know how many Newbs would see the footage and then go out and try the shit, just to get totally screwed up. Either they would try to do that same shit without congurence and get beat up, which would lose more potential customers, or see it, say thats too easy or too hard, and criticize every little part of it untill it all goes to shit.
Like i said, i wouldnt mind seeing the footage on some kind of program, but at the same time, I DONT NEED IT.
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