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On Fixing the "Running out of Shit to Say" Sticking Point
Honestly, this shit goes away with time. Just make it a point to be a talkative, fun , social person espc. when not "gaming". Then when your out talking with girls, say some stupid shit to proove to yourself that you have to say doesn't have to be that important.
your words can literally come to you on a moment by moment basis. trust.
your words can literally come to you on a moment by moment basis. trust.
just make your life interesting and you will have things to talk about
if all you do is go to work, come home and watch the blueprint/read the forums, shower eat and then go out, guess what your going to have to talk about.... BP, work and what you ate for dinner.
an epiphany i recently had was after a week of just working, reading/watching PUA material and gonig out. i was getting so pissed at myself that i had nothing to talk about.
the next week i went for a hike, watched a few movies, watched some tv, played video games, read the newspaper online etc. when i went out OMGWTFLOL i had shit to talk about.
if all you do is go to work, come home and watch the blueprint/read the forums, shower eat and then go out, guess what your going to have to talk about.... BP, work and what you ate for dinner.
an epiphany i recently had was after a week of just working, reading/watching PUA material and gonig out. i was getting so pissed at myself that i had nothing to talk about.
the next week i went for a hike, watched a few movies, watched some tv, played video games, read the newspaper online etc. when i went out OMGWTFLOL i had shit to talk about.
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i banged 5 girls in a 6 month span back in 2011 and that has been it!
i banged 5 girls in a 6 month span back in 2011 and that has been it!
doinitlive,
That's fair, you can just talk about your life or
whatever. I've gotten that to work to get to the "them asking me
questions" junction. It's less consistent than field-tested material,
but can still work.
In addition I do think it's important to remember beforehand what you want to talk about from your life a) early in set and b) if you stall. Instead of a canned IVD from the internet, maybe you learned something recently you could teacher
The
main point here is that it's important to be prepared, and the
structure of what to be prepared with, regardless of the particular
content
That's fair, you can just talk about your life or
whatever. I've gotten that to work to get to the "them asking me
questions" junction. It's less consistent than field-tested material,
but can still work.
In addition I do think it's important to remember beforehand what you want to talk about from your life a) early in set and b) if you stall. Instead of a canned IVD from the internet, maybe you learned something recently you could teacher
The
main point here is that it's important to be prepared, and the
structure of what to be prepared with, regardless of the particular
content
Been said before.. it doesnt matter what you say, it's how you say it. say literally anything, as long as you got the confidence in your voice, your golden
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this here, but I get the sense that there is a contingent of people
here actually in the field, flexible abotut he routines issue, and want
to talk about concrete things rather than whether Tolle's cock has
nimbus. This could be helpful for people struggling with getting a
conversation going in the first place and facing the running out of
shit to say problem. This issue seems to be a reoccurring one, and
having a solution is important so you can actually move on to working
on more important things. Bear in mind that you don't need that much
material to get around this particular issue, so it's not like you have
to change your whole gameplan around. You can easily work with the
stuff in Foundations or Jeffy Show, if you feel like RSD is the one
true path.
For any of you who have been up to date about my game lately, I've set out to fix four main sticking points this summer:
1) Running out of shit to say
2) Not kinoing enough
3) Not showing enough sexual intent
4) Not IODing and breaking rapport enough
There are others, but this is enough for a summer sargeathon.
I
want to talk about the first one. I've almost completely solved this
one. I don't remember the last time I actually ran out of shit to say.
A reiteration of why this is bad:
1) Girls hate awkwardness. Awkward silences are terrible for your game
2)
If you stick around through the silence, or you re-initiate with
something lame that's obviously a way to re-initiate the conversation,
you're showing way too much interest in the set
My primary MO is
to stack in the beginning, and have a couple routines memorized in case
I stall. This has been absolutely invaluable.
A few field observations:
1)
For anti-stall routines, the best option is: an IVD. Something like the
Ring Routine is perfect, and that's the default for me. But you can use
anything, the 5 Questions Game, whatever. The reason: the energy is
low, so if you spit your banter/C&F routine or animated story, it's
going to look like you're trying too hard, and the vibe will be off/the
material just too situationally irrelevant. An IVD is intriguing and
generally leads to a lot of potential for conversational threads
afterwards.
2) Don't let there be an obvious pause. You should
notice the energy of the set starting to die, or a stall of just a
second should be enough to tee off your piece of material.
3) My
stacks run pretty long, like 5 Attraction Routines, but I've never run
past an opener and two routines. Seriously, never, some pieces of
material I wanted to try I never did for that reason. I'll either be
blown out or reach the way point where they ask me a question or tell
me something I can banter off of. I'm getting to this way-point far
more now. It's amazing how much just having interesting thing to say,
bringing value and not trying for rapport is going to generate some
interest. Sometimes I run more "natural" sets where instead of canned
material I just blabber about shit going on in my life (and generally I
talk about the same thing all night). I get to that waypoint less,
especially if what I blabber about isn't very interesting, but it's
still much better. Have SOMETHING teed up, regardless of your style
4)
The waypoint of them contributing or asking you questions means much
less than I thought it did. It's not attraction. It's not even a real
hook point. A couple points about this:
a) Don't cut their threads
and keep stacking material. I really don't understand how anyone good
runs 10-15 min of material. I don't understand how that can work. The
main reason: you're punishing good behavior. She'll no longer be urged
to contribute.
(I once went out with a guy (Sirducer) who really
disliked using community material and said it never worked for him. I
saw why: he was 6'2, with an accent, and a former model. He got to this
waypoint immediately in his approaches. Like 75% of the time they
immediately asked where he was from. A couple times he didn't get there
right away and he couldn't turn it around at all)
b) I lose the
set after this waypoint most of the time now. Like pretty soon
afterwards, within 2-4 minutes most of the time. I haven't worked on
this area of my game that much, so it's understandable. In this case,
knowing routines can help in the sense of having a lot of cool bits
memorized and letting them come out when she says something related can
get you some solid attraction, but stacking is much harder. So your
vibing inherently has to be attractive. My guess, though I don't know
since I don't get past this often, is that it's a combination of a)
Wit, being able to spin busting, misintepretation, etc. into the
conversation b) having an interesting and compelling identity and
generally spinning DHVs into your vibing and c) smooth qualification.
This is my KJing though. Either way, it's one of those things that
really points to the fact that there are no short-cuts in the game, you
have to have attractive conversation in general. My next verbal thing
to work on after this summer (where I'll mostly work on sticking points
#3 and 4) is to work on my humor for 6 months (maybe longer).