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Egget

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Join Date: 10/15/2006 | Posts: 165

what about experimenting sleep paralysis with meditation?
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Slojodan

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Join Date: 08/22/2006 | Posts: 1003

Mitizaro wrote:

Please, tell me everything you know about Chakras. Something that you actually have experience with, not some old guy's theory that wrote a book and advertised it on Oprah.
FBI Director James Womack:  "Damn it,  You're on a need to know basis, and you don't need to know!"   --  From "The Rock"

That's my view about all this "systematic spirituality."  I'm currently reading the "Second Coming of Christ" two volume set by Paramahansa Yogananda, which is basically an Indian commentary on the Gospels (very non-Christian in the traditional sense of the word).  He's one of the big eastern spiritual gurus who came to the US to teach westerners.  It's really cool, but a chock full of dogma.  You learn about chakras, astral bodies, causal bodies, past life and future life objectives, all of which are ABSOLUTELY USELESS to you whether or not it's true.

The polar opposite is Osho, who opens your mind up but strips you of as much dogma as possible.  His book "The God Conspiracy," is probably the best at that as it makes a case for why both God-believers and atheists are retarded.  When Osho talks about Jesus in his book "The Mustard Seed," he hits very different points that apply to your life whether you're spiritual or not, and whether Jesus did any miracles or was just a dude who liked talking.

I read a tiny bit about chakras when I had some real chest pain for a full week after releasing a lot.  I read just enough to know things were ok, and I could keep moving forward.  When I felt sick during some spiritual transitions, I read just enough Bashar to see that this is something that commonly happens on your path when changing from "3rd to 4th density" or whatever. The couple paragraphs I read reminded me to enjoy the process and not resist it.   What do those densities or chakras mean?  Fucked if I know or care.  

The more you learn about the "scientific framework" of spirituality, the more excuses you give your ego for you not making progress.  My friend did a past life regression and found out he was a warrior who killed a lot of people, so this is why he can't have a loving relationship.  I have no reason to believe his past life experience is true, but what I DO know is that he's made it a lot harder for himself by creating a reason for why he can't be loving.  If he just decided to be loving without caring about any of the reasons why he had a challenge with it, he could move forward a lot more easily.  

Anything on Chakras, astral bodies, or any of that crap is just spiritual crack for your ego.  It won't get you any further.  It'll make you feel smarter, and give you the illusion of being more spiritual, but won't get you towards peace or your goals.  It's actually not very different from reading a ton of excess pick-up theory and relationship psychology.  It'll just bog you down.

Tell your ego, "You're on a need to know basis, and you don't need to know!"

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Mitizaro

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No. I don't agree with you.
You see i'm pretty sceptical myself about these ninja stuff. If i'm to burn fat i'd do my time and research so i know how much HIIT and Complexes do to with balance of my dieting,   Not just Jog like a fuck and say "feel it baby, it's all about you".

But once i found that a really.... well-developed friend of mine has something to do with this. You see - he's the kind of guy that talks just the enough. Doesn't try to make his point over other guys opinion. He's sick with NLP, but he's never using it for manipulation. He's into sports. He's quite what i could call "spiritual" because he never has himself of that. He simply has some nice rules, like - don't try to help too much, let the others experience it for themselfs. He looks like an elf. He's not pretty at all.
He's got his both legs on the ground. He likes the ideas of Tolle (and he's very present), but thinks the guy is a fuckin-boring-retard. My friend speaks and seems like a normal person.

Yet i found out recently that he can pull ass like mad. It only makes sense - he's an awesome Person. But i've found that he's doing it using chakras. Some of the higher ones (not the sexual like most ppl do). He rarely does more than 2-3 approaches a night and gets his girl (he tries to feel them beforehand).
He would never tell me this on his own because he doesn't care. He doesn't want to be considered spiritual or bother you with useless crap.
But if HE is using it - there IS some real appliable knowledge.

So. Let me tell you that i've come to feel this myself. I've read just about a single diagram about this and it makes total sense.
I believe chakras are the essence of "state". Have you seen the "medtitation" of the speaking one? "I Speak". SImply - speak and you will get better at it.
But there are some things that you might benefit for knowing. For example that if you cum your energy goes down. Would i stop cumming because of that? Fuck no, forget all this spiritual crap - if i want something, it's done.
But these days i experience something. A pleasure better than the sexual lust. I can get a boner and feel horny, but i just don't want to. That was before i read all this. I'd appriciate more watching the trees than a stupid porn, or some girl like an hole to be fucked. And so i've cum only to maintain something (i've had bad experiences in the past which now seems to be irrelevent).
My energy has never been bigger and stronger.


Dude - last night i was out with a female friend of mine. Best time of my life. I haven't pulled ass before, i wasn't into that "pumped" state. I was simply meditated. Really. Even walking to her home before that was still epic. Watching the rain you know. That's what i'm talking about.

I believe this could be a HUGE ego-trap. "I'm a spiritual guy, bla-bla". I ain't. I ain't different that others. But i do want to do things, so i can get better advetures.


I ask you, because i want to know the appliable part of this chakra shit. If you have experience, of course.
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Gseus

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My strongest belief (yes, currently it's still a belief) is that ANY concept, even this one, will fall apart when you go further and further. That ANY way of talking about it is just pointing to the moon.

Different teachings showed me different things, but if you stay within their boundaries, you'll limit yourself extremely, because no concept will ever equal reality, and every concept will have sides to it that just aren't true or in conflict with other truths.



The moment when I saw that I could read Ayn Rand and Alan Watts, and get a new realization from combining what I learned from both... I mean, how rediculous, Ayn Rand and Alan Watts are as far away from each other as possible. Still, I read both, I absorbed what resonated with my, I discarded the bullshit (which, in Ayn Rands case is veeery much) and it made sense. And it made sense in combination.

Since then I truly believe, there is one core that all this points to, you're only ready to absorb as much as you are ready for, so at different times you will learn from different people/concepts. But they are all that: Concepts, good for certain people in certain situations, bad for/in other. And NEVER even close to the whole.
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NeilYo

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I've used this exercise to help me to meditate. Really easy to learn.

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Holland

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Did it just now.
At times I didn't like it, at other times it was more easy.

Some stuff my mind did:
-thought loops, thinking about stuff, for about 30 seconds max, then I let it go
-wanting to check my alarm to see how many time is left in the 20 minutes, which I didn't do
-playing with physical things in my environment such as a dumbell and a deck of cards. I moved them so they were out of my reach later on
-pretending to want to go to sleep, closing my eyes, yawning, desire to lay down.

What helped me stay alert and calm:
- paying attention to my breath
- listening to sounds outside (the wind and the sounds of a man's footprints in the snow)
- paying attention to how I felt in my body
- having a friendly attitude towards the fact that my mind felt a bit agitated and restless
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Slojodan

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This is one I read about a while back.   It's from the book "Zen Flesh, Zen Bones"  great lil book of short Buddhist stories.  The meditation in this one is really helpful to make you feel powerful.  It's good to use whenever, but before going out or before a business negotiation is really helpful.
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Great Waves

In the early days of the Meiji era there lived a well-known wrestler called O-nami, Great Waves. O-nami was immensely strong and knew the art of wrestling. In his private bouts he defeated even his teacher, but in public he was so bashful that his own pupils threw him. O-nami felt he should go to a Zen master for help. Hakuju, a wandering teacher, was stopping in a little temple nearby, so O-nami went to see him and told him of his trouble. ‘Great Waves is your name,’ the teacher advised,’ so stay in this temple tonight. Imagine that you are those billows. You are no longer a wrestler who is afraid. You are those huge waves sweeping everything before them, swallowing all in their path. Do this and you will be the greatest wrestler in the land.’ The teacher retired.

O-nami sat in meditation trying to imagine himself as waves. He thought of many different things. Then gradually he turned more and more to the feelings of the waves. As the night advanced the waves became larger and larger. They swept away the flowers in their vases. Even the Buddha in the shrine was inundated. Before dawn the temple was nothing but the ebb and flow of an immense sea.

In the morning the teacher found O-nami meditating, a faint smile on his face. He patted the wrestlers shoulder. ‘Now nothing can disturb you.’ he said. ‘You are the waves. You will sweep everything before you.’ The same day O-nami entered the wrestling contests and won. After that, no one in Japan was able to defeat him
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So if you didn't catch that, the basic process is to imagine yourself as water, slowly rising and covering everything.  You move from being water in your room, to covering your whole apartment complex, to everything in sight.  I like to do this one with my eyes open, but eyes closed is fine too.  It's especially good if you can sit on a deck where you have a big view of a large area outside, so you can see yourself as the water covering everything.  You can be destroying it, or just covering it, up to you.  I prefer to just be the water washing over all I see, as it feels less confrontational.  You can start from a medium amount of water, or just a small puddle.
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To all, thanks for reading.

If you'd like to know how I got to this mindframe, read my post:  How to Choose an Inner Game Program
If you're curious on how to meditate:  Meditation Made Easy
Recommends Release Technique, Sedona Method, and EFT
Please read the Meditation thread before PMing me with a question.  Thank you.
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Shazam!

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Join Date: 10/01/2008 | Posts: 1295

Just meditated for about 10 minutes or so after a long hiatus of not meditating.

It was surprisingly easy this time.  I think constantly attempting to focus my attention in the now whenever I remember (oddly not often) may have helped a bit, but something was a bit different this time.

Usually for what ever reason, I control my breathing pretty tightly.  As in it's almost in my thought process, I don't allow it to flow much.  I think it's a habit I picked up from running, but I never ran super often, so that'd be weird. 

Anyway midway through it was distracting.  I wanted to let go and let the breath flow but this would result in me just holding my breath.  I figured this was just a limiting belief getting in my way, so after a few failed tries I let it go.  Within about 30 seconds I was much more relaxed and suddenly my mind stopped freakin out so much (I have an extremely active mind the majority of the time), and my attention seemed to automatically go towards the moment.  My eyes were open, but I had not really been seeing what was in front of me until that point.  

Shortly afterwards a thought in my head occurred: "Maybe this works because these people aren't getting enough oxygen and thus can't think."  Lol.  No basis, but amusing nonetheless.  What I do know is that I'm pretty relaxed compared to a few minutes ago, which is good, as doing all I'll have to do is not going to be easy if I'm tense.  

If you have a sticking point while attempting meditation, bizzare as mine or moreso, my advice to you is let it go.  If you fail in that a few times, keep trying.  Just relax.  Just let it happen, whatever it is.  The rest will follow.  I thought that I was going to stop breathing if I 'let it happen' on some level, even though logically I knew it was ridiculous (after all, I breathe when I'm sleeping), but it was enough to screw with me.  When I did let it happen, I just relaxed.  Go figure.
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Superwabbit

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Join Date: 08/17/2009 | Posts: 23

Slojo,

Thanks for the great excercise, I will try it out.

Just wanted to ask what you think of using these techniques that require to imagine yourself as something (i.e. visual thoughts) versus meditation where you try to create space between yourself and the thought. Can they be used jointly or should one reach a certain "level" first?

And could you give a few pointers for progression. I've been getting better in clearing my mind or watching my thoughts. I was considering, is the "next step" to simply continue ( I know the process of learning from the basics is endless) or add more conscious thoughts - of joy or of these waves for example - to further my well-being?


Again, greatly appreciated.

Superwabbit
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Gorawdog

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Join Date: 09/09/2009 | Posts: 264

Do you breathe normally when you meditate or do you try to take deeper breaths then normal? Also do you try to breath in through nose and out through mouth or does it matter?
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