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December 10th, 2016
The Keep It Simple Stupid Method Version 2.0 (Apocalypse Opener Lite)
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Caligula

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EDIT:  I just realized that this is like Apocalypse Opener Lite.

So many months ago, I posted up the Keep It Simple Stupid Method.  It wasn't the greatest method ever conceived, but it worked pretty well at getting numbers and was targeted towards the inexperienced.

I want to share with you what I have been doing over the past couple weeks.

Quick story: I finally caved into my gf's wishes and agreed to adding another woman to our relationship.  The idea is to get the arrangement M.ystery talked about in The Game where I have two women who love each other as much as they love me.  That makes my bisexual gf happy and it makes me not so much happy but... I don't fucking know.

Anyways...

I've been working on my beliefs for the last couple of months, and one of the things I asked myself is "how would I like the whole dating proccess to work?"

The answer I came up with, and the one I have been preaching for a while, is to structure your life so that women are flowing through automatically.  This doesn't require cold approaching.

Unfortunately, Ann Arbor's population has taken a nosedive since the end of June, so that really isn't possible right now.  Cold approaching is my only option right now.

As I worked with my beliefs, I realized that a huge limiting belief I had was the need to run "good game" and have a high "close rate."  When you drop that, a whole world of possibilities opens up.

Namely, cutting the bullshit... in an intelligent way.

Anyway, here is what I have been doing for the last week and a half.  It is simple but is far and away my favorite approach now.  I have used this on girls walking down the street, girls sitting at a coffee shop, girls at the bank and girls in the library.

The method: with a NR-BR tonality and looking right into her pupils, say...

"Are you single?"

Scenario 1:  She says "yes"

YOU:  "Give me your phone number"

You need to say this like it isn't a big deal at all.  If you do, she will usually comply.

YOU:  "Are you spontaneous?"

***Important: get her to admit she is spontaneous or that she would like to be more spontaneous.  That way when she is on the phone with you and if she puts up resistance to meeting up with you, you can say "but I thought you were spontaneous?"***

YOU:  "Good.  I'll be calling you soon m..y$tery girl."

And then leave

Scenario 2:  She says "yes"

YOU:  "Give me your phone number"

HER:  "No/ But I don't even know your name/ What?/ I'm not just going to give you my number"

Don't let this affect you.

YOU:  "You're fiesty... like a powerpuff girl.  You and I would make a terrible couple.  We would always fight... and I would always win.  Are you spontaneous?"

After you get her to admit she is spontaneous or would like to be more spontaneous

YOU:  Alright then, give me your number.

if she doesn't comply at this point, be all like "oh, that's too bad" and walk away

Scenario 3:  She says "no"

YOU:  Nevermind then.  Have a nice day.

And that's it.  A couple of things I have noticed.

1.  The "close rate" is only slightly lower than when running "good game."

2.  The numbers are rock solid.  Like, wow are they solid.

3.  You are in this really cool role of being m.ystery man (If they ask me my name, I jokingly say "M.y$tery").  On the phone, this is awesome.  What I have been doing is saying "hello m.y$tery girl.  I am going to take you on the craziest adventure of your life...  blah blah blah.... meet me here."  I thought that girls would be kind of wierded out by this and flake, but that has not been my experience at all.

4.  Physical escalation is easy on the first meetup.  I've been using Ciaran's shock and awe, and it's been great

5.  This is probably the closest you can get to not being rejected.  If she says "no" to being single, she hasn't rejected you.  When she says "yes" to being single, 70% of the time I get her number the first time I say "give me your number" and 30% the second time.  I have yet to have a woman not give me her number after saying she is single.

6.  When talking about this later, the girls say they really like how I was a man who just went after what he wanted, without the bullshit.

As for the numbers, I have approached 15-20 girls over the past week and a half with this.  9 of them gave me phone numbers and I have gotten around to meeting up with 3 of them (Last 2 days) and have slept with all 3 relatively quick on the first meetup (God does casual sex suck, lol).

So ya, I'm pretty much done with cold approaching for a while now, so I ask you guys to go out and TRY this.  I mean, your chances of being rejected with this are pathetically small, so just try it.  I am especially tallking to the guys who have been posting over the past couple days about how they are frustrated/don't know what to say/unconfident/etc.

And seriously guys, what could possibly be a more enjoyable way to meet women than this?

-Caligula
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Remco~

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Good stuff, definitley going to try this out tomorrow. Hitting Amsterdam during the day, going to chill, read a book, meditate, talk to a few cuties and then go out in the evening. Its going to be a brilliant day, I can already feel it.

Solid man.


EDIT:
Can some dutchie help me out here? Trying to think of a good translation for 'single' to keep it short and sweet. I must be having a brainfart because I can't come up with anything good.
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lol i love it Emperor Caligula
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sinan

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I like this.. and will try it out

but on the other hand.. I prefer to use facebook since I dont like to waste credit and  get flakey numbers etc.. facebook chat is free

also... a lot of girls have bfs and i dont really care about that

and Id rather just leave with her that night..

but yeah will try it out
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 Def going to try it out!
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Jack of Hearts

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remco: in dutch you can say single too.

'ben je single?
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Remco~

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Velouria wrote:
remco: in dutch you can say single too.

'ben je single?

Hmm good point, last few times I did that I got a 'wattt???', perhaps I need to dial my pronunciation lol.

Edit: Then again that was in a club...
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Calavera

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I was what yo umay call somewhat of a natural.. I would be approaching number closing girls before all this shit, even once going to a party and saying "Hey, i'm bored lets go back to your place" and the girl complied. I NEVER EVER thought it was a big deal to ask a girl for a number, I don't understand--why would it be? IT DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE. she's just another PERSON and you're thinking about calling her because you think she's cool. That' sthe difference with me, I won't just get a girls number juet because of her looks--she has to be COOL.
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Caligula

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@Android: lol

sinan wrote:
I like this.. and will try it out

but on the other hand.. I prefer to use facebook since I dont like to waste credit and get flakey numbers etc.. facebook chat is free

also... a lot of girls have bfs and i dont really care about that

and Id rather just leave with her that night..

but yeah will try it out


If you don't care about the bf, then skip the "are you single part" and just say "give me your phone." She'll give you her phone, you type in your number, say "great, catch you later" then call her.

Chaos A.D. wrote:
There are so many versions of the apocalipse openers, some more than others. I don't think this is that much of an apocalypse opener, even if you call it "lite". A more acurate "lite" version will be the "it's me and you tonight" from Tim.

But this is a good opener, good post.


The reason I call this a lite version of the apocalypse opener is because it works on a similar principle,  By being so direct right off the bat, you make her VERY attracted to you, which means you can skip right to the close (in this case, getting her number).

I prefer the number because I have shit to do during the day.

Serpicoo wrote:
So is it like this?

Me: Are you single?
Girl:Yes
Me: Give me your phone number
(Do you just take out your phone? Or do you wait for some compliance, like her saying yes, or nodding?)

After she puts it in and hands your phone to you, do you then say:
Are you spontaneous?"


I've done it one of two ways.  Either I take out my phone and have her tell me her number, and then call her phone on the spot OR I'll say "give me your phone" and then dial my number into her phone.

Both have worked equally well.

I personally felt more comfortable asking "are you spontaneous" immediately after the number is exchanged while putting the phone back into my pocket.

All in all, this whole thing should take less than a minute.

Serpicoo wrote:
How do you stop girls who are walking? Do you say excuse me, or wait! or something?


"HEY" or I'll hold out my hand to signal her to stop and walk towards her.

-Caligula
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Liking this. Good stuff.

Sinn recommends something similar in his day game course; his structure is --

You - Hi, I just had to come meet you else I'd be kicking myself all day. My name's <whatever>.
Her - I'm <blah>.
You - And what makes you special?
Her - <whatever> -

If she complies, then go for the number. If not, move on.

i've been doing pretty well with it. 

I'll definitely test your little stack and see how it compares to Sinns to see which of the two works best for me.
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